Watching the Untrusted Implode

Bluebells, Wakehurst Place, Sussex, England, April 2005

Bluebells, Wakehurst Place, Sussex, England, April 2005

Welcome to The Real Untrusted – for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 

Today’s News

Montana Wildhack posts:

We seem to struggle to get a dozen comments in a day any more, so I can’t see what the point is in putting a new one up every day. 

And is it any surprise having just posted –  “there are plenty of (white, ostensibly Christian) people in your own country whose views aren’t far off his”, about this report in the Independent:

Politicians in India’s largest and most politically important state have sparked outrage by claiming women who have sex outside of marriage should be hanged and that men who committed rape should be forgiven their “mistakes”.

I assume Ms Wildhack means her own country which she denigrates on a regular basis.  As the quote is from  Mulayam Singh Yadav, head of the Socialist Party (SP), which runs the state government in Uttar Pradesh, perhaps Montana could name one equivalent politician in the USA with similar views.

Reading the UT is like immersing yourself in abject pessimism where the depressed depress other depressed about the state of the world when this from 2013 says reality is somewhat different:

Some of the poorest people in the world are becoming significantly less poor, according to a groundbreaking academic study which has taken a new approach to measuring deprivation. The report, by Oxford University’s poverty and human development initiative, predicts that countries among the most impoverished in the world could see acute poverty eradicated within 20 years if they continue at present rates.


CalamityJane123 / BeautifulBurnout on the thread following  Hugh Muir’s article on the Yashika Bageerathi affair. Here she’s berating a poster called TrillClinton:

As an aside, I sincerely doubt you will, though, as a glance at your posting history on this site would indicate that your predominant reason for posting on CiF relates to this story and this story alone. This would lead one to suspect that you have an agenda which is entirely divorced from any notion of a clear and honest explanation of immigration and asylum law.

This from someone who asked for her entire posting history to be deleted.


 Luoping - Nine Dragons Waterfalls



Today’s Music

As from today – (sometime in early 2013) “A Change is gonna Come” and hence the track which is from almost 500, vaguely described as pop and rock, on my MP4 player that I use mainly when I’m running at the gym or outdoors, or when I’m doing things I rather not like ironing clothes, cleaning and so on. This one by coincidence comes top of the list when arranged in alphabetical order. Of course I’ll intersperse them with some great jazz and classical music.

Bedruthan steps  -  John Surman

Yesterday’s Music

Do it again – Steely Dan





In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  - making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

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  1. brusselsexpats

     /  April 17, 2014

    Happy Easter to you too Desde and to all on here.

    Easter is the worst ever time for trying to resist chocolate……glad you enjoyed your egg.

  2. brusselsexpats

     /  April 17, 2014

    Morning all,

    I’ll be out for the Easter break as of tomorrow, back on Tuesday.

    I’m not surprised some posters are suffering depression on the UT. I’d be depressed if I spent much spare time in that sea of negativity.

    I don’t really understand why younger people, supposedly highly educated or at least public school educated, are so socially isolated they spend hours on a site like the UT.

    I don’t understand why someone living in a culturally rich country like France spends so much spare time on it.

    It’s easy when you’re at work stuck in front of a PC and with the odd fifteen minutes to spare, to go online and comment on a site but to spend so much free time suggests that either these posters are not quite what they say or, in the case of expats, simply haven’t integrated despite living years in their chosen country.

    Commenting on Cif is different as there are many areas of genuine interest to post on but the bitch-fest that is the UT? What possible attraction can that have for a young man?

    • Good morning all.

      Most sites go through quieter periods especially with the lighter longer evenings and better weather. There’s just more to do and it’s easier to go out than in winter.

      Have a happy Easter Bruss. I won an easter egg in a tombola at the weekend and scoffed it. It was lovely, handcrafted Belgian chocolate with mint. I console myself with the thought that if you melt it down, there isn’t much more chocolate, or calories, than in a chocolate bar.

  3. Paul

     /  April 16, 2014

    And this track

  4. Paul

     /  April 16, 2014

    Just been listening to this track.

  5. Paul

     /  April 16, 2014

    Regarding the UT it does appear to have become like a battery operated headless chicken which is on the point of conking out altogether.Which is sad because i genuinely wouldn’t want to see it go under.

    Montana could have a set up like the one here where there’s an ongoing thread for comments and where she and any other administrators could change the front page as and when.I know some people have issues with nests whilst others aren’t able to use the reply function .Nevertheless we’ve managed to cope with that here so there’s no reason why they couldn’t cope with it there.

    Then of course there’s the need for ground rules which would need to be equally applied to everyone.If however Montana et al want an echo chamber where double standards apply then fair enough.For when was life ever fair.? However as the UT is currently finding out to its cost such a forum is likely to either wither away or implode.

  6. Paul

     /  April 16, 2014

    Afternoon all

    @A track for Sara.Hope she’s ok.

  7. Morning all. What’s going on with everyone?

  8. brusselsexpats

     /  April 16, 2014

    Morning all – hope Sara is OK haven’t heard much of her either here or on the YTU.

    Thanks for that link Paul – I’m getting mighty sick of all the old Communist propaganda on CiF – it’s just so obvious they think it the most normal thing in the world for an independent nation to be carved up by a bigger neighbour.

    I doubt any of those posters know the meaning of democracy. Neither the EU nor the US forced the people of Ukraine to take to the streets.

    Have a good day.

  9. Paul

     /  April 15, 2014

    Hope all’s well with all the regulars here.Haven’t seen our host around for a while .Can’t recall whether he said he was off abroad again.

    • 101

       /  April 16, 2014

      Hi Paul, our host made a flying visit a couple of days ago, says he has no/poor internet connection at the mo.

    • Hi 101,

      Well I was here at almost midnight on Monday but I’d been away walking in North Yorkshire with neither computer or internet. (No smart phone for me thank you). But I’ve posted a few things today, including something about the demise of the UT site.

      As I said elsewhere, the UT is increasingly becoming the depressed talking to the depressed about being depressed. Not you 101 of course :) and I find your contributions most entertaining, especially when Ann Tanner (AT42) continues to tell us that capitalism is exactly the same today as she thinks it was when Marx penned his Manifesto in 1848 and as such it’s still as relevant as she thinks it was then.

    • Hi Paul,

      Not abroad – only to Yorkshire. :)

  10. brusselsexpats

     /  April 15, 2014

    Hi Paul,

    The problem with the Guardian is that, apart from the respectable left, they have a secret army of hardline, disenfranchised Communists who have never recovered from the fall of the Berlin Wall.

    Their opinions should be disregarded as that of the dinosaurs they are. Basically Russia can do no wrong just as the former Soviet could do no wrong even when it was sending in the tanks to places like Prague.

    Russia is in extreme violation of international law on this one and if it continues down this path there will be civil war which has nothing to do with the EU or the West. Basically Russia wants the Ukraine back or at least as much of it as it can get its hands on.

    There was talk of the EU giving something like 17,5 billion Euros to Ukraine. If the people of Ukraine see this as a better option than being in the grip of Russia, it’s up to them as a free country to decide what they want to do.

    And Ukraine is an independent country – still.

    Good morning all.

    • Paul

       /  April 15, 2014

      Hi Bru

      The following link is to an article in the NYTimes about the report by Ivan Simonovic -UN Assistant Secretary General For Human Rights- on the situation in the Ukraine which was released for public viewing today.There’s afurther link in the article which will take you to the report itself.It more or less confirms what we’ve known all along.Needless to say the Russians have dismissed it as yet more propaganda.

  11. brusselsexpats

     /  April 14, 2014

    Yes thanks Paul it was very nice if calorific…..

    At the moment it looks as though Ukraine will fracture. Thing is what will NATO do if civil war breaks out? I know the EU has earmarked billions in investment aid for Ukraine so there is likely to be a real split between Russian Ukraine and European Ukraine with the West supplying military expertise and weaponry to the latter.

    Morning all.

    • Paul

       /  April 14, 2014

      Glad you had a good weekend oif birthday celebrations Bru.

      There’s no question that Russia has a vested interest in keeping the Ukraine it its sphere of influence whilst the West has a vested interest in both encouraging and exploiting the deep-rooted pro-West aspirations of the people of Western Ukraine.But i’m still struggling to understand those who believe that the West is solely to blame for the crisis unfolding in the Ukraine.And that the secession of the Crimea was all above board ,that Russia is in no way involved in the increasing unrest in Eastern Ukraine and that reports of Russian forces massed on the Ukrainian border are nothing more than a propaganda exercise from the West.

      I can’t help but think that if a democratically elected pro West Ukrainian government had been overthrown after brutally crushing demonstrations from Russian speaking Ukrainians who wanted closer ties with Moscow then those currently blaming the West for this crisis would be conspicuous by their silence.

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