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Ally Fogg on the United Nation’s HeForShe campaign
Here’s Ally Fogg somewhat contradicting himself and his opposition to the United Nation’s HeFor She campaign:
Asked by one of his posters:
So, in improving things for women, transssexuals, the deaf, I am actually improving things for men?
Fogg replied: – Yes. Absolutely.
How things can change in just 14 months.
The United Nations launches a campaign for people to stand as one against all forms of violence and discrimination faced by women and girls and Ally Fogg won’t support it because it doesn’t include violence by woman against men.
And even more pathetic is his response to the opposition of many of his regulars:
We’re no strangers to strong disagreements here at HetPat, and I assume that most of what I write will lead to angry reactions from one quarter or other.
But what’s missing from this are the words – “which is why I ban those who post comments I can’t or won’t answer“.
When I heard Emma Watson’s speech last weekend, I was given the impression that what we were being offered, finally……. was the inseparability of men’s and women’s gender issues.
Well he must have been the only man in the world who thought that’s what she was talking about and as Fogg isn’t that lacking in the ability to understand English I can only assume this was an even more pathetic attempt at after the event rationalisation.
Ally Fogg says to Mike Buchanan: (see below)
“Start by learning the important lesson that if you associate yourself with overtly misogynistic ideas, like stopping all benefits to single mothers, and overtly misogynistic people like Paul Elam and John Hembling, then you will quite rightly be excluded from reasonable and constructive media and political space.”
And yet he allows Buchanan to post on his blog, but bans me who has opposed misogynism and campaigned for feminist ideas on Comment is Free, both of Ally’s sites, The Untrusted and here for over eight years.
Forgive me for thinking Ally Fogg that you’re far closer to Buchanan than you imagine. And your latest couple of articles have proved the point.
And now about Free Thought Blogs that hosts Ally Fogg’s increasingly “what about the menz” blog:
FTB is supposed to be a non-MRA zone, or so I thought. I’ve been a lurker here for a while and every time I see your posts, it’s obvious to me that you share MRA points of views. You always use MRA talking points and subtle fear mongering tactics (“5 words that betrayed Emma Watson”… REALLY???) quite frankly I’m wondering when everyone else is gonna wise up and see you for what you really are. Even if you don’t identify or believe this to be true, fact of the matter is you’re still spreading their filth.
Still spreading their filth.
And here’s another poster who hits the nail right on the head:
Instead of trying to create your own plan for discussion & action, your post came across (to me, and from the reaction, to others) as criticizing someone else’s plan for not talking about the things you want to talk about.
And what after so much criticism of his attempt to disrupt the UN’s campaign?
To re-write it’s pledge to read:
Gender equality is not only a women’s issue, it is a human rights issue that requires my participation. I commit to take action against all forms of violence and discrimination faced by women and girls and men.
To which Fogg responds:
That’s the most constructive response I’ve seen this week, I think.
Ally Fogg writes in his latest offering (more about this later):
Even if some really nasty, racist, homophobic EDL organiser was being subjected to the kind of systematic persecution campaigns that have been waged against Sarkeesian or Quinn I would unreservedly condemn them.
Yet while I have never posted anything that’s even a mildly abusive on his blog, and I have a complete record that I’ve copied here, at times Ally Fogg has descended to the most abusive in his responses to posters like me, who challenge his presumed hegemony.
I see Ally Fogg is greatly admired by Mike Buchanan.
And who is Mike Buchanan? He’s an anti-feminist woman hater, who I’m surprised, given Ally’s penchant for censorship, is allowed on his blog.
Whiny Feminists of the Month – Laura Bates, Caroline Criado-Perez, Harriet Harman MP, Jo Swinson MP…
Fortunately the judge had other ideas to those of Buchanan – Two people who subjected feminist Caroline Criado-Perez to abuse on Twitter have been handed jail sentences.
Gormless Feminists of the Month – Fawcett Society, ‘Clean Break’ theatre company, Eva Wiseman, Yvette Cooper MP, Jessica Valenti
Eva Wiseman writes in the Guardian:
We know that these misogynists, who sneer online or grope on trains or kill, do not exist in vacuums. They are formed by cultures that glorify violence against women, that tell men they’re owed sex, that contribute to that background hum every woman learns to block out – every woman learns, early, to be at least a little bit terrified. We’re right not to ignore the emails, threats and comments.
And here’s Ally Fogg’s view on a serious article “Women of Britain, let’s form our own feminist party” by Ellie Mae O’Hagan in yesterday’s Guardian.
Believe it or not, it already exists. It’s called ‘Justice for Men and Boys’ and I’m not going to link.
And what I assume he intends as some kind of smutty joke humour:
I’ll happily push a wheelbarrow and be milked for sperm.
And who is Mike Buchanan? He runs the Justice for Men and Boys website.
How in just a few years can Ally Fogg change from being one of the Guardian’s main male supporters of feminism to become an outright anti-feminist like Mike Buchanan?
Some new photographs - here in Photographs 22
As from today – (sometime in early 2013) “A Change is gonna Come” and hence the track which is from almost 500, vaguely described as pop and rock, on my MP4 player that I use mainly when I’m running at the gym or outdoors, or when I’m doing things I rather not like ironing clothes, cleaning and so on. This one by coincidence comes top of the list when arranged in alphabetical order. Of course I’ll intersperse them with some great jazz and classical music.