Watching the Untrusted Implode

Unknown flower, DuFu Cottage Garden, Chengdu, Sichuan Province, China June 2013

Unknown flower, DuFu Cottage Garden, Chengdu, Sichuan Province, China June 2013

Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 


Ally Fogg writes in an amazing turn about:

Yes, women can also be violent, especially towards intimate partners and family members. However in recent years the men’s sector as a whole (and I include myself in that) has often become so fixated on demonstrating and documenting the extent of male victimisation at the hands of women that we may have lost sight of the bigger picture.

Better one sinner that repents.

He continues:

I would suggest that it is no coincidence that the least violent generation of young men in living memory is the first to have been raised in the era of the rights of the child, in schools and homes that have increasingly eschewed violent punishments, with anti-bullying policies and where the social acceptability of violence of all sorts has been challenged and rejected as never before.

And I would suggest it also coincides with the rise of feminism and the refusal of so many women to be treated as the slaves of their male partners.


Backtothepoint posts about the EU’s  £1.7bn demand:

Still if the UK wants to leave, it should take care not to let the door hit it in the jacksie as it flounces. As opposed to the Eurocrats who like to have the UK in the Union as a force for neoliberalism, most of the people I know here in France either couldn’t care less if it went or think it would be a good thing to get rid of a chronic troublemaker.

Clearly the English hating, trouble making lover BTTP is still smarting about every French failure from Agincourt on, but if he thinks the rest of Europe is going to be sympathetic to its crowing cockerel, he needs to explain the contempt in which its social democratic President is held across the union and in his adopted homeland.


Is Calamityjane123 / BeautifulBurnout seeking to justify the killing of the Canadian security personnel?


MontanaWildhack posts:

For some reason, many people who consider themselves left-leaning politically seem to think that anti-American bigotry is somehow acceptable. It boggles my mind that people can’t see the contradiction in that.

The same MontanaWildhack who posted on CiF

Good Americans don’t question the essential superiority of America. Many Americans boast that they have no desire to even travel to another country. They believe that it is a sign of patriotism to wallow in ignorance of the rest of the world. Not all Good Americans are quite that patriotic. Some are open to the possibility that there might be other places in the world that are nice to visit. Really open-minded Good Americans think that, if one is quite adventurous, one might even live in another country for a year or two.

Anti-American bigotry anyone?


A new set of photographs here, all of which have been posted before but they’re now together in one place.


 Today’s Music

As from today – (sometime in early 2013) “A Change is gonna Come” and hence the track which is from almost 500, vaguely described as pop and rock, on my MP4 player that I use mainly when I’m running at the gym or outdoors, or when I’m doing things I rather not like ironing clothes, cleaning and so on. This one by coincidence comes top of the list when arranged in alphabetical order. Of course I’ll intersperse them with some great jazz and classical music.

Fernando – ABBA

Yesterday’s music

Feeling Good – Nina Simone



In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  - making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

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  1. brusselsexpats

     /  November 21, 2014

    Bitey – Waterlilies are one of my favourite flowers. You don’t see them that often nowadays, possibly due to pollution but they give such a lovely, old-fashioned feel to a water feature. The hotel I stayed at in Poperinge had a large bird-bath full of them.

  2. brusselsexpats

     /  November 21, 2014

    Just when you think antisemitism couldn’t get any more blatant, some football moron – in this case Dave Whelan – comes out with the gem that “Jewish people think more about money than anyone else”.

    You couldn’t make it up – this coming from a sport that pays grotesque amounts of money to grown men to kick a ball around a field. A sport that spawns the worst kind of sexism in its men and the worst kind of vulgarity in the WAG lifestyle of its women. A sport that thinks rape is OK so long as the neanderthal is still capable of bringing in the goals – and the dosh.

    A sport that in its worst days of violence still continued to apologise for its “fans”.

    Someone should stuff an orange in Whelan’s mouth and shove him the butcher’s window.

    • Hi Bruss

      Millions get pleasure out of football and follow it almost religiously: the television companies cater for them very well so they are always able to indulge their passion. (Likewise cookery and soaps). I’ve always hated football and my father said that it was impossible to say that without knowing what it’s like. So I went to several games with him – even to see Luton with both dad and my brother. Heck, it was even worse than I’d imagined.

  3. brusselsexpats

     /  November 21, 2014

    Seems a bit of a political earthquake in the UK at the moment. What are the chances of Ukip becoming the “kingmaker” after the next general election?

    Or, as usually happens, will the the general election see the main parties recover their strength and the protest party get the chop?

    One thing is for sure – Our Ed really needs replacing.

  4. brusselsexpats

     /  November 21, 2014

    Morning all,

    101 – Yes I know what you mean. Five years ago I slipped and crashed down face-first into the road. Lip like I’d done ten rounds with Mike Tyson. Try telling anyone it was an accident……

  5. 101

     /  November 20, 2014

    Hi Bru,

    Definitely getting more clumsily with the passing of the years. We seem to have a short period of true gracefulness between the ages of 25 – 35. Maybe this is why most of the great artists (and thinkers) complete their greatest works while young.

    Desde – sorry, only just seen your reply. No, not back on YTU yet – may leave it to the new year.

    It can be embarrassing going outside with a facial injury, after my last eye operation I was forced to wear sunglasses (to combat light sensitivity) even when shopping at supermarkets – I got some strange looks. Luckily for both of us that our problem is only temporary.

    We seem to be missing a few regulars – no reports from Jim, (and whatever happened to AndyL?)

    • Hello 101

      I hope your eyes are now completely back to normal. What was it like having the operations; were you scared? It sounds quite frightening to have anything done near to or on the eyes.

      Pity some people are such ghouls and have to stare when they see someone looking different – it must be awful for those with disabilities or some facial difference. I used to get ridiculed by total strangers over my big bent nose.

      I think AndyL. and others were just passing by when posting here.

  6. brusselsexpats

     /  November 20, 2014

    Afternoon all,

    Beautiful flower up there Bitey.

    Desde, I hope your bruising in diminishing. I burned myself on the iron the beginning of August and the mark is still visible.

    I’m naturally a bit clumsy.

    • Hello all.

      Yes thank you Bruss it is fading but still looks bad. I had my first proper venture out into daylight today and caught people looking at my face. Frustratingly I had to turn down a couple of temp jobs because of the injury: one was a receptionist job and I couldn’t welcome people looking like this. My forehead still hurts.

      I’m out of coffee so I’l have to go and get some now before I start having serious withdrawal problems.

    • Hi Bru,

      Thanks and it’s unknown to me but probably a water lily of some kind at the DuFu Cottage Garden, Chengdu, in June 2013.

  7. Good morning all.

    My forehead bruise went south and left me with a huge purple eye bruise so it’s been difficult going out looking like this but I had to to do my paper round, which I did mainly in the dark. Still got a lump on my head but the GP said it’s only a minor head injury as I didn’t pass out, vomit or get double vision.

    Don’t know if any of you have been following the reports of the Libyan soldiers at Bassingbourn barracks in Cambridgeshire. Stories have been circulating for a while in the eastern region about the behaviour of the Libyans, now there have been charges of rape. Who is responsible for this and didn’t someone think it might be problematic to have military personnel from a completely different culture who may already be traumatised by war, living in a Cambs village? The people who rule us really are idiots.

  8. Sara

     /  November 13, 2014

    Hello, hope everyone is ok, really sorry to hear about your accident desde, and hope ginger is ok, so difficult to know what to do sometimes – but you’re doing the right thing.
    haven’t been commenting of late as started a job with 12 hour shifts

  9. Paul

     /  November 13, 2014

    Afternoon all

    Hope you’re alright desde

    Reuters has published another article on the growing problem of anti-semitism in Europe which you can read in the following link.It does seem that anti-semitism is treated in some quarters as being less serious than other forms of bigotry.

    The Jews have largely been driven out of the Middle East and North Africa and with the exception of France Jewish communities throughout Europe have never recovered from the Holocaust.Yet once again they’re being targetted in part because of what’s going on in the Middle East.

    • Sara

       /  November 14, 2014

      Hi Paul – hope you’re keeping well, missed your earlier reply.

      Re France, thousands of Jews have left France in recent years, partly due to concerns over rising antisemitism

  10. brusselsexpats

     /  November 13, 2014

    Morning all,

    Desde – that’s a very interesting comment about the village lads. I never knew that.

    In the afternoon there was a fly-past of one WWII plane and two WWI planes. You could tell they were coming a mile off they made such a noise but it was a great finale.

  11. brusselsexpats

     /  November 12, 2014

    One thing I read while in Poperinge concerned the aftermath of the riots in Brussels last week. It seems that a man, who needs his car for his work, complained publicly that the rioters had burned his vehicle and he had no means of buying another as he wasn’t well off.

    The head of Crowdfunding organised a whip round with a view to collecting Euros 2000 for a second hand car for the guy and the collection brought up Euros 16,000 so they will use the money for other ordinary working class people who suffered in the riots.

    Because, like the riots in London three years ago, it’s the little people who get shafted, who lose their possesions and businesses (sometimes even their lives) not the politicians locked securely in their residences, or the bankers who started the mess.

    The anarchists don’t seem to get that fact through their thick skulls.

  12. My face is now battered and bruised on the right side. Forgetting that I now have a bath and a glass shower door attached to it, I stood up after checking the new floor tiling and smashed my head into the door. The pain! Then the huge lump and a bruised forehead, now, 36 hours later, the bruise has dropped onto my upper eyelid. Thankfully it’s woolley hat weather so I can disguise some of it.

    Ginger is a real survivor: after getting very thin and being syringe fed I took her again to the vets for her check up last Monday, 3 Nov. He said that I can’t go on syringe feeding her and that it should be stopped to see if she can maintain her weight on her own, otherwise we’d be looking at putting her to sleep. He was very thoughtful and sensitive in how he said it. On return, Ginger still didn’t eat and then got diarrhoea which she, and Whitey, got covered in. I thought her time had come and she only weighed 600g this Monday; but she was clean yesterday morning and she weighs 700g today! I just can’t believe how hard this little animal is fighting to live. Whilst she continues to do so, I can’t have her put to sleep.

    • 101

       /  November 12, 2014

      Poor Desde! Hope it heals soon. Its amazing the number of people who hurt themselves in the bathroom. A girl I know was cleaning the tiles in her bathroom, somehow slipped, and hit her face into the radiator knocking out three of her front teeth.

      Good news about Ginger – I know how fond you are of your animals.

    • Hi 101

      Are you in good health now and fully recovered? You were going to return to YTU if you felt up to it.

      Some post-menopausal women become clumsy but some places are more hazardous than others. Kitchens and bathrooms are rooms where injuries happen – and gardens of course with chain saws etc. When the tree surgeons were cutting down the rogue tree, I was horrified at how precarious it looked being high up and only supported with ropes once the crown had been removed.

      I’m not very good at nursing and nurturing stuff, some people just seem to have it. I don’t feel confident about syringe feeding as I’m scared of causing pneumonia by the food going in the lungs but somehow I’ve muddled through. With my animals, my rule is that if they want to eat, they’ll have food. As animals don’t have the same intellectual or emotional life that humans have, it makes me wonder why they cling on when they’ve lost so much physical movement – but maybe they do relate to each other more than is recognised and have more inner life than we know.

    • Brusselsexpats

       /  November 12, 2014

      Ouch – that sounds awful Desde. It used to be a problem in darkly lit nightclubs – walking into the mirrored wall. Happened to a friend who turned up one Monday with two black eyes and nearly happened to me.

      Take care.

    • Hi Desde,

      So sorry to hear about your accident – it’s something that happens to all of us some time, but you’re alive and posting. Speedy recovery to you. You might be surprised to know that most accidents at home happen in the dark, so in a way you’re quite unlucky. :(

  13. Paul

     /  November 12, 2014

    Morning all

    Over on CIF i see ”working class hero” ”Hank Scorpio” has been denigrating people who chose to wear a poppy to commemorate Remembrance Sunday..Once again clearly showing just how out of touch with so many people he really is.For many socialists actually choose to wear a poppy including those who’ve actually fought for this country.Methinks he needs to pick his ”battles” more carefully.The guy’s a serial tosser.

    • Hello Paul

      It’s a personal choice. Many people don’t agree with military action like some of that in Northern Ireland for example, but they still buy a poppy to support ex-troops and their families and observe the silence to think of the waste of life in war. I always observe the silence as so many died in the 2 world wars and wish it hadn’t happened and if only there could be no more war.

      It was shocking to realise from the news today that the fighting in Syria has gone on for 4 years now – I hadn’t thought it had been so long. The people there have suffered so much and now it looks like government troops will regain Aleppo from the rebels and the civilians must be fearing reprisals.

    • brusselsexpats

       /  November 12, 2014

      Hi all,
      Paul, the ceremony at the Menin Gate yesterday in Ypres was fantastic. Both Poperinge and Ypres were packed with British visitors and I’m delighted to say that the weather was perfect for this very intense and moving ceremony.

      Ypres is a stunningly beautiful city – I had never realised that because it was my first visit. It can easily hold its own against Bruges. The authorities must pay huge amounts to keep the Menin Gate so pristine white.

      Poperinge is more villagey and in fact was the site of the British field hospital in the area. Casualty clearing stations were located near railway lines to facilitate transfers to hospital or repatriation to the UK – either of the wounded or dead. It’s incredible to think that it’s only 16 kms from Ypres that suffered so much damage. The Germans must have been held back from advancing with a vengeance. One bakery, Sassen, proclaims “We were here in 1914 and even in 1815 when Wellington defeated Napoleon.” Cue next commemoration in 2015.

      To get back to Ypres, I found the whole ceremony deeply moving but the part that nearly floored me was when they started laying the wreaths and a male choir sang “When I am laid in earth” from Purcell’s Dido and Aeneas. Always one of my favourite arias and normally sung by a soprano in the role of Dido, it worked wonderfully well.

      Most people wore poppies, including the Belgians. Watching the end-of-ceremony parade was great with the various bands playing “It’s a Long way to Tipperary” or the Scots with “Scotland the Brave”.

      I wouldn’t fancy the chances of any drunken CiF cretin against the men of those Highland regiments.

    • Sounds like it was a very moving and appropriate ceremony Bruss. The bravery of the men who fought in the second world war gets to me – would we even be here if not for them? Those men who took part in the D Day landings – incredible and how young so many of them were.

      ‘I wouldn’t fancy the chances of any drunken CiF cretin against the men of those Highland regiments.’

      The Highland Light Infantry or HLI were also known as Hell’s Little Infants.

      There were some Highland regiments based in Kempston just outside Bedford during the first world war. Tragically many of these young men died from infections and flu because they did not travel much outside of their villages and had little immunity from lots of germs they were exposed to on moving to the south. There is a service held for them every November in Bedford.

  14. Been away walking in Shropshire for the weekend. Rain and mist on Saturday but fine on Sunday for a trek over The Lawley and Caer Caradoc. Superb.

  15. brusselsexpats

     /  November 9, 2014

    Hello all,

    Bitey – thanks for that link. This time round it wasn’t outside our office building but in the centre of town but I expect we’ll have a visit from the Antwerp dockers (the usual suspects for the violence) at some point this autumn/winter.

    Yes I love it when people – who shall be nameless – rattle on about living in the “bubble that is Brussels”. If anyone is likely to get a slab of concrete through the window, choked by teargas and end up in lockdown for safety it’s us.

    It must be nice to live in the secluded peace and quiet of places like Wales and Yorkshire and rant on about the coming revolution in safety.

    I spent late Wednesday night in a taxi to Antwerp because part of Central station had mysteriously caught fire and negotiating the nightmare of a public transport (except for trains) lay-off the following day. People were advised not to travel to Brussels by car and even taxi companies were refusing to take prior reservations. Couldn’t take the day off as we had important meetings so stayed overnight in a hotel in central Brussels.

    Around 1960 there was a national strike when the government announced austerity measures and the violence was so extreme the authorities had to give in. At the time an uncle of mine, a young conscript in the army, was home on leave and actually punched a man unconscious who was trying to set fire to the family car outside my grandmother’s house.

    On another note the next four days will be taken up with the Remembrance Service in Antwerp and my visit to Poperinge and Ypres. A solemn but very interesting trip and I’m really looking forward to it. I’ll be back in harnass end of next week.

  16. Sara

     /  November 7, 2014

    Hello all

    ( this was written as a comment under this Guardian article) / then deleted – via cemb

    ” As Exmuslims, we critique Islam because there are many aspects of Islam that need to be critiqued. In particular, we seek to oppose Islam’s apostasy codes, which are oppressive and lead to persecution.

    We have found it is quite difficult to get some people to listen to our stories because they fear that acknowledging these issues will contribute to a critical view towards Islam.

    The idea is that particularly reactionary teachings and aspects of belief that lead to critical judgements of Islam are in and of themselves prejudiced. The resulting logic of this is that Islam should have special privileges, in as much as basic human conscience and ethical critical judgement of people living in a secular culture should not apply, or be expressed, towards Islam.

    The fact that criticism exists, is the offence.

    Effectively, this is to propose a kind of proxy blasphemy code and apostasy code, wherein the liberal secular space defers to Islamic taboos. Dissenting Muslims and Exmuslims have to conform to these proxy codes too. Everyone else is free to critique their own religion, and other faiths and ideas too. But Islam must be protected.

    However, Muslims are free to critique all religions, belief systems and moralities, because evangelising Islam, and proffering critique and judgement is not only a divine prerogative, but the closing down of ethical, critical judgement towards Islam is also a divine right.

    As we can see, this is an ethical and moral mess.

    This is an aspect of liberal relativism that is morally flawed and unsustainable without damaging basic principles of liberal secularism. It also means that aspects of Islam that need to be criticised, like Islam’s apostasy codes, remain unexamined, and with that authority unquestioned, their capacity to hurt people and cause harm increases.

    Another fear is that being critical of aspects of Islam manifests in prejudice towards Muslims, and this is an understandable response given how parts of the far-right do project generalising narratives of communal responsibility on Muslims. As Exmuslims, we understand this, because being from ethnic minorities ourselves (apart from growing numbers of former white converts) we are also prone to be in the targets of bigots who project their hostility onto anyone who ‘looks’ Muslim, whatever that is supposed to be.

    The key to dealing with this is for the Left to take ownership of the issues that need to be critiqued, and do so through the prism of liberal secular values, so that they cannot be co-opted by the nationalist right, who have agendas that are not tolerant.

    Sadly the instinct of relativism too often prevents this reckoning from occurring. The silencing of Exmuslims voices is the norm, although we are trying to change this.

    There are three main layers of silencing of apostates voices.

    The first layer is the hardcore religious silencing, which includes notions that we deserve to be killed and harmed.

    Under that is a second layer of some Muslims who may not agree we should be persecuted, but don’t want to have these problematic aspects or religion talked about, because of feelings of embarrassment, fear of the consequences, or cognitive dissonance regarding apostasy / blasphemy codes.

    The third layer underneath this is the relativism of white liberals who are often in concordance with silencing instincts over these issues, including silencing of Exmuslims, for the reasons we outlined earlier. Often, relativist liberals simply pretend we don’t exist.

    But silencing never works, and it only increases the problems.

    It is important to understand that anti-Muslim bigotry is real. At the same time, the reality of the need for Islam to be critiqued has to be acknowledged by the Left, and by Muslims who live in liberal secular democracies too.”

    • Hi Sara,

      I’m left with the conclusion that there are people at The Guardian who support the death penalty for Islamic apostasy. Otherwise why delete the comment?

    • Hi Sara

      Agree that Islam shouldn’t be exempt from criticism and no religion should be.

      I hope you are okay.

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