Watching the Untrusted Implode II


Inside one of the cave temples on Mian Shan, Shanxi Province, China, May 2016


And the outside

There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth.

John Kenneth Galbraith


Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 


Norway Offers Migrants a Lesson in How to Treat Women

from the New York Times

The controversial programme seeks to prevent sexual and other violence by helping male immigrants from societies that are largely segregated or in which women show neither flesh nor public affection to adapt to more open European societies.

Norway has been leading the way. Its immigration department mandated that such programs be offered nationwide in 2013, and hired a nonprofit foundation, Alternative to Violence, to train refugee center workers in how to organize and conduct classes on sexual and other forms of violence. The government provided funding for two years to pay for interpreters for the classes and is now reviewing the results and whether to extend its support.


 Travels in China – Dujinagyan Irrigation Project


End of You Tell Us – 28 January 2015

“Today is the last ideas thread. From tomorrow, we won’t be running these threads any more. We still really want your ideas for articles, but we think the best way to do that will be to have a dedicated email address for people to send in suggestions. That is being set up asap. The editor of Cif, Kira Cochrane, will be running a talking shop tomorrow to explain more, but when this thread closes tomorrow there won’t be a new one. I know this will be upsetting for some, but please bear with us while we make some new changes to the site.”


 Today’s Music

As from today – (sometime in early 2013) “A Change is gonna Come” and hence the track which is from almost 500, vaguely described as pop and rock, on my MP4 player that I use mainly when I’m running at the gym or outdoors, or when I’m doing things I rather not like ironing clothes, cleaning and so on. This one by coincidence comes top of the list when arranged in alphabetical order. Of course I’ll intersperse them with some great jazz and classical music

Today’s music.

Sam Crockatt Quartet –  Happy

Roger Beaujolais Quartet play “Joe Beam” live at the Forge, Camden


In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  – making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

The Moderator’s Axe


The Moderator’s Axe

In the light of the Guardian’s latest comments on the way its readers interact with its journalists and other readers, (see – The Dark Side of Guardian Comments) I’ve decided to publish here some of my own comments that have suffered from the Moderator’s axe.

From 30 October 2010 when I still had a couple of months before being banned from CiF and many months before I posted on Montan’s site:

sheffpixie – you posted this some time back on CiF:

“Bloody hell bitey – did you really follow BB into court? This obsession with her
can’t be good for you.”

I thought maybe we’d get something original from you but once again I remain

MrsBootstraps chooses to spend a vast amount of time on CiF and The Untrusted, two highly interactive sites. Have you surveyed all the posters who have responded to her articles ATL or her posts BTL to conclude that my odd foray to correct some of the mistakes she makes is an obsession?

Which one of your friends was it said of her:

“You have a huge ego and an apparent need to prove your liberal credentials to us ordinary people on this blog. Your posts are mostly about you. You take pride in ‘bashing the fash’ but it just sounds like a schoolkid being stroppy. It’s bullshit. Sorry, but I find you incredibly naive politically (Lib Dem Ya?) so we’re never going to be best friends You get a lot more from this blog than you give. Fair enough.”

It wasn’t me, I’d never have been so rude.


The Moderator’s Axe fell on this comment on the article The rape of Anna Bates: what if Stieg Larsson had written Downton Abbey? by Holly Baxter

Salander was bullied and physically, sexually and mentally, abused as a child and the only difference between her and thousands of young girls who find themselves the victims of inadequate parents and authoritarian authorities is that Larsson blessed her with certain skills that enabled her to fight back and to do so effectively.


Sadiq Khan wrote a piece for the Guardian promoting his bid to become Mayor of London and included the pledge:

And I’ll promote and support organisations that aim to bring people from different backgrounds together – like the brilliant Big Iftar….

From The Big Iftar:

The Big Iftar encourages British Muslims to invite their friends, neighbours and colleagues to join them at mosques on an agreed date and enjoin them in sharing the meal of iftar.

From:Muslims in Britain:

The five times daily salaah in congregation in the masjid is enjoined on men, not on women. Women’s salaah is expected to be discreet and private and therefore performed at home. The majority of masjids make some provision for women, but most of these do so by allocating space only when specially asked for. Larger purpose-built masjids often have a gallery over the main masjid room, part or all of which is for women’s use.

Accordingly, and depending on the circumstances of the visit, separate hosting arrangements may be made for women visitors, e.g. for larger parties or more formal visits. Casual visitors that include women can usually be accommodated. While the congregational salaah is in progress it is usually practical for male visitors to wait at the back of the masjid room itself, but not so for women to wait.

So Mr Khan, how about an article about this Femaleophobia that discriminates against over 50% of the population? Or are you yet another of those who favour their women’s participation to be “discreet and private and therefore performed at home?”

This comment disappeared after a few seconds.


So here’s the first one from an article If a moderate like Sadiq Khan shouldn’t stand for London mayor, which Muslim can?, by Mehdi Hasan, who wrote:

“Everyone from former Tory cabinet minister Sayeeda Warsi – who warned that Islamophobia had “passed the dinner table test” back in 2011……

The same Baroness Warsi of whom Douglas Marray writing in the Spectator observed:

She apparently never realised that if such a thing as ‘Islamophobia’ does exist it might be caused not by an inexplicable seizure of the brain but by people noticing – among other things – what little willingness there is among Muslim leaders to really tackle extremism within their communities.

The Baroness is of course as well as being a former Conservative minister, one of those Muslim leaders.”

The comment disappeared after a few minutes.

Watching The Untrusted Implode – I

Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

This post allows visitors to access the first pages of comments made since I set up the site in April 2012, until May 2016 when the number of comments exceeded the WordPress limit. More recent comments can be viewed and added to at Watching The Untrusted Implode – II


There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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