Watching The Untrusted Implode

The Dazu Rock Carvings, a World Heritage Site, South West Sichuan Province, China. September 2007

The Dazu Rock Carvings, a World Heritage Site, South West Sichuan Province, China. September 2007

There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth.

John Kenneth Galbraith

The BBC’s Panorama programme is reported here to be planning to attack survivors of child sex abuse and others who are uncovering evidence of a “Westminster paedophile network”

And the response of MrsBurnout to this?

That the entire country, whose tax payers pay a large part of her salary, has sunk to a level lower than that of of a banana republic.

“What the actual fuck is going on in this country these days? Seriously. I would call the UK a banana republic were it not so offensive to compare it to comparatively benign Latin American countries!”

There little doubt that any enquiry like the one featured in the programme will in time lead to the exposure of yet more guilty parties at the BBC who hosted and feted the UK’s most prolfic child abuser Jimmy Savillefor some many years.


Ann Tanner (AT42) who’s in paroxysms of delight over the parliamentarian Jeremy Corbyn gaining the Labour Party leadership has made a giant leap from her violent revolutionary position just a couple of  years ago:

MsChin re that Guppy/ Johnson – after the revolution we need to shut down the Bullingdon club – its the stinking canker at the heart of British society. It symbolises precisely what is wrong with the public school system.

Ropes and lamposts? Too good for them!


Montana Wildhack bans all mention of this site – and the comrades bend the knee. (1)

Well here she is commenting on What do you want to talk about?. 22 Jul 2009 2:06pm on the occasion of the banning from CiF of MrPikeBishop.

The hypersensitive modding to protect the sensibilities of ATL writers is probably my single biggest irritation with Cif. Especially in the case of the professional journalists and politicians. They’ve chosen work that puts them in a public arena and they spend their lives telling us how we should conduct ours. If they can’t handle the abuse they receive, they have no business being in the business they’re in. As Harry Truman used to say, “If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.” What is especially galling is when BTLers are censored for pointing out hypocrisy in an ATL piece. Don’t like being shown for a hypocrite? Easy — live your principles. If you can’t live your principles, don’t preach them in such a public forum and expect other people to pretend not to notice what a hypocrite you are.


Montana Wildhack bans all mention of this site – and the comrades bend the knee (2)

And here she is again on her favourite subject:

MontanaWildhack commented on To defame religion is a human right.17 Apr 2009 1:25am

I don’t believe that anyone has the right to go through life without being offended and I don’t believe that any thought or idea, no matter how repugnant, should be censored. For example, holocaust deniers offend the shit out of me, but I think they ought to be free to spew their ignorant crap wherever they want to. I’m free not to listen to them. See how that works? By the same token, if I want to say that I think anyone who believes that the Bible is a literal record of history is crazier than batshit, I think I should have that right. People who believe that the Bible is a literal record of history are free to either ignore me or tell me that I’m going to burn in hell. I’m okay with that – I’ll let them. What is not okay is when people who take the Bible literally say that their version of the creation of Earth must be taught in state-funded schools alongside accepted scientific theories or that I have to cover myself from head to toe in black cloth, lest the sight of my shapely ankles drive men into frenzied lust.

And that, my friends is part of why I’m so sad that, not only WML, but also Monkeyfish, HankScorpio, SilentHunter, and Hermine (sic) have all been banned recently. It saddens me that Billplasterer has apparently been languishing in pre-mod for nearly two months now. I didn’t always agree with some of them – and a couple of them almost never – but why on Earth should they be banned? I can easily skip right over their posts if I don’t like what they’ve said.


And to top it all – an invitation to Bitethehand 

Montana Wildhack bans all mention of this site – and the comrades bend the knee (3)

MontanaWildhack commented on What do you want to talk about?.28 Jul 2009 8:48am

“Bitethehand: (posted)

First of all, unless they’re going to contradict me, I think you’ll find that it’s not the moderators who decide the cut off point, but the CiF editorial staff.”

Montana replied:

I know that now. I did not know that in February when I started the (Untrusted) blog. I’m not being disingenuous. I’m not lying.

As for comments that were made on the blog, I’m not responsible for what other people post there and I’m not going to pretend that people don’t sometimes use foul language and say things there that would be moderated here. But you know what, Bitethehand? It’s a public blog. There are no ‘subscribers’. The followers that are displayed there are people who have chosen to have the posts and comments e-mailed to them. You are perfectly free to post comments over there, yourself. It’s not a clique and comments aren’t moderated. You can call me anything you want. I won’t moderate it.  (my emphasis)


MontanaWildhack announces her “walking away from CiF 16 March 2010

On What do you want to talk about?.16 Mar 2010 11:21am

I know I said a couple of days ago that I was done with Cif, but I need to say something about the banning of LordSummerisle:

This should be proof positive for anyone who hadn’t already figured it out that most of the people who have been banned from Cif have not been banned for ad homs, as a few of the luvvies want to believe. Posters are banned from Cif for transgressions against the Guardian’s identity politics bullshit. If LordSummerisle can be banned, anyone can. Those of you who like to tell yourselves that HankScorpio, Monkeyfish, et al., were banned for being abusive to fellow BTL posters are deluding yourselves. Look at how long Ultimathule and Bitethehand were allowed to remain, despite continually attacking other BTL posters. But both of them toed the Graun’s ideological line, so they were allowed to stay until the Cif staff could no longer defend the indefensible.

I suppose maybe I should be grateful that LordSummerisle has been banned for such an innocuous offense — it has wiped away the trace of doubt that I had about walking away from here.

(And for how many more years did Montana continue posting?)


MontanaWildhack celebrates Peter Bracken’s banning from CiF but welcomes him with open arms to her own site.

MontanaWildhack commented on Ideas 13-16 April.14 Apr 2012 8:42pm

My comment wasn’t a potshot at Bracken — it was a genuine expression of surprise at the volume of what seem to me to be mostly crocodile tears about his banning. You may think it’s “low” for me to be consistent in my opinion of someone whether they’re still active here or whether they’ve been banned. I see it as hypocritical to suddenly act like you’ve lost the company of an old pal when someone you never cared for proves himself to be incapable of expressing himself within community standards.


And on Ideas 13-16 April.14 Apr 2012 3:24am

I may well piss off pretty much everyone else who reads this thread with this comment, but here goes:

Are you people freaking serious? All the tears for Bracken’s demise? All the “he kept me on my toes”, “he knew what he was talking about”, etc.?? You’re joking, right? That sarcastic British wit that you’re always saying we Americans don’t get.

He made shit up wholesale as he went along, he made wildly inflammatory accusations of other posters based on woefully obtuse readings of the comments of those posters, he was arrogant, abrasive and utterly dismissive of anyone who dared to challenge his overweening self-regard.

I don’t know what got him banned under his own name, I wasn’t around for that, and I’m generally against banning anyone who isn’t a deliberate troll, so I’ll go so far as to say that I doubt I would have seen his banning as justified.

But miss him? I would think that the only way that any rational poster could miss Bracken would be in the way that one would miss a carbuncle after it’s healed.


And on Ideas for 6-10 April.08 Apr 2012 8:31pm

Well, shall we bury the hatchet and have a hug? I know that I can be rather acerbic, but I don’t actually enjoy feuds and animosity.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think much of the Graun banning people, either. Bracken shouldn’t have been banned. Neither should a whole lot of other people. I’ve only ever banned 2 people from the UT and, yes, one of them was Kawtara1. She didn’t seem to be able to get it through her head that she didn’t have the right to demand that people discuss what she wanted to discuss. She was making the place intolerable and drove away several very much-liked posters — permanently, I’m afraid. The other person’s sole raison d’etre was to hurl insults. I see no need to tolerate that.

(Posted two days before she banned Bitethehand )


And on  on A welcome from Comment is free’s new editor.06 Sep 2010 10:33pm

Related to the moderation issue, I would also like to support amnesty for banned posters. A nice changing-of-the-guard gesture? I even miss certain posters that I never agreed with & it would shatter the delusions that one particular member of the banned harbours that regulars at the Other Place had anything to do with his banning.

(The Other Place – presumably – and the “one particular member” – who?


And on What do you want to talk about?.05 Oct 2009 1:42pm

Yeah. Ultima. I can’t say as that I would miss her, but I do think banning her is OTT. Bring her back, Graun. And bring back Hank, Monkeyfish and Woolly while you’re at it.


And on What do you want to talk about?.04 May 2009 11:25pm

I’m happy that Jay’s coming back and I will cheerfully admit that I’ve come to thing of him as a ‘friend’, but I want to echo/reiterate that it isn’t just about Jay and it isn’t just about posters I agreed with who’ve been banned. It’s the whole concept of banning anyone or deleting anything that wouldn’t get the GMG into legal trouble. As far as that goes, I’m not sure why anything posted in the comments section would get them into legal trouble. BeautifulBurnout – would a disclaimer to the effect that the opinions expressed herein are not those of the GMG not be enough to protect them? And now they’ve got Billplasterer?! Oh the humanity!


Seems you’ve got an “ally in dismissing racism” shazthewombat, in Frog2222 who also seems to think a black man being called a nigga and a houseboy is so funny; (Hehe) he chortles, and the victim has no right to object:

Since then the BiteyCollective ( notably Paul) has insisted that he was a poor little person persecuted by the Evil UT
.Up to a year after Nap left after helping me in my Normandy orchard Paul was still inveighing against the Evil UT who had been nasty to him. Hehe ?


shazthewombat thinks I was lucky not to have been reported to the police for harassment in the past.

Well unlike shazzthewombat I’ve written about that issue here along with the evidence:

There are various accusations of stalking made against me recorded on the pages of this site, from scherfig, MontanaWildhack, MrsBurnout and others. The delicious irony of Montana’s accusation is that she has hosted a site displaying 400 plus comments about me and which quite rightly in the interests of free speech she’s allowed to remain. These were all on public display before I posted a single comment there. Many of them were the kinds of juvenilia you’d expect from a bunch of immature teenagers, some were vicious slurs and libels; others were threats of personal violence. Hardly any addressed the posts I’d made on CiF threads, a sufficient number of which attracted support and agreement from some of CiF’s most respected commenters. Most were straight abuse.

So maybe shazzthewombat you’ll display the courage of your convictions and run the risk of wasting police time. Better legal brains than yours have shied away from such action.

As for:

I would agree that there has been some ‘no-holds-barred’ debate on the UT, but no-one has resorted to the kind of tactics employed by BtH and some of the other commentators on his site.

Have a look at some of the racist, sexist, homophobic abuse from past and present Untrusteds here.

And weren’t you the one who just couldn’t bring yourself to condemning the blatant racism of Turminderxuss calling a fellow UT poster a nigga?    Oh yes here you are:

Paul – don’t do this again, please – don’t give a flying fuck about the language, but the last way I would describe turminder is a racist cunt. Wait for him to get back to you.

Are you still educating the nation’s young children Shazz?


SharonBottom posts:

Montana, it’s very decent of you to engage ‘Ity’, but don’t lose sight of the fact that the character is a manipulative fabrication along the same lines as MrsBird.

To which the UT host replied:

Considering that you were the person who created MrsBird, it is the very definition of chutzpah that you would show up here and invoke that in your nasty little smears about ity. Are you really so stupid that you don’t realise that as administrators of this site, MsChin, thaumaturge and I all have access to the e-mail addresses and IP addresses from which posts originate and that we aren’t all perfectly aware now that it was you? You were very sloppy about it, you know.

Do go fuck off now. You haven’t got an ounce of credibility here.

Ever the sweetest mouth is Montana.


The Guardian’s Anglo-Centric policy of closing comment threads based on when it considers the rest of the world who aren’t on GMT should be asleep, is a betrayal of those news organisations that really do produce round the clock news coverage and comments.  Guardian USA, Guardian Australia? Only if you respect Islington time.

More news from the UT

And just to show that Montana Wildhack always holds a grudge:

i’m packing for antwerp (like you do!) 

How on earth do you do that without being overcome with despair at the knowledge that your frumpy English wardrobe is going to look horrible amongst the beaux mondes of Antwerp?

How touching that Ms Wildhack has so little to occupy her that she finds Antwerp and its visitors so entrancing.

Doubtless those she considers her admirers will continue to ignore her.


About the poster known as ity

Ity began posting here while I was in China for 2 months earlier this year and unable to access this site. When I returned and found several of his/her emails in the pending box I approved them. Later I discovered that ity had been the subject of an exchange between other posters here and on Montana Wildhack’s site. Later still I discovered his statement on that site that “it might be good to have a place where I can just walk in, vomit into someone’s face, and then walk out again…”  That site still contains a false accusation of mental illness against someone who has been banned from posting there and as such has no means of addressing it or the denigration of those who do have problems with their mental health.

More recently, on 7/8 September ity made obscene, sexist posts about other posters here and I have modified these and removed the obscene and sexist statements. Anyone interested should imagine them saying the opposite.


 A new set of photographs here,

(Photographs 27) all of which have been posted before but they’re now together in one place.


Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 


End of You Tell Us – 28 January 2015

“Today is the last ideas thread. From tomorrow, we won’t be running these threads anymore. We still really want your ideas for articles, but we think the best way to do that will be to have a dedicated email address for people to send in suggestions. That is being set up asap. The editor of Cif, Kira Cochrane, will be running a talking shop tomorrow to explain more, but when this thread closes tomorrow there won’t be a new one. I know this will be upsetting for some, but please bear with us while we make some new changes to the site.”


 Today’s Music

As from today – (sometime in early 2013) “A Change is gonna Come” and hence the track which is from almost 500, vaguely described as pop and rock, on my MP4 player that I use mainly when I’m running at the gym or outdoors, or when I’m doing things I rather not like ironing clothes, cleaning and so on. This one by coincidence comes top of the list when arranged in alphabetical order. Of course I’ll intersperse them with some great jazz and classical music

Today’s music.

Oriole – Medem / Temba 


In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  – making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

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