Watching The Untrusted Implode

Bovolo Palace, Venice, 2002

Bovolo Palace, Venice, 2002

Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 

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So here’s a challenge to Ally Fogg from no other than Ayaan Hirsi Ali, one of the most courageous women today, who says – Islam “is not a peaceful one” and calls for “a Muslim Reformation.”

Those who she states are her harshest critics — Muslims and Western liberals – like Ally Fogg, deny what she’s been professing all along: that Islamic faith and modernity are incompatible, and that the recent surge in extremist attacks in the name of Islam is an even greater indication that something more monumental must be done.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali writes, and she writes it about you Ally Fogg:

My uncompromising statements on this topic have incited such vehement denunciations that one would think I had committed an act of violence myself. For today, it seems, speaking the truth about Islam is a crime. “Hate speech” is the modern term for heresy. And in the present atmosphere, anything that makes Muslims feel uncomfortable is branded as “hate.”

So will we hear Ally Fogg calling Ayaan Hirsi Ali a vile racists?

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Ally Fogg:

Free speech not only means the right to say unpalatable and unpopular things, it also involves
the right to call oppression and bigotry for what they are when we see them.

And if you call someone a vile racist for criticising Islam as being institutionally sexist and prevent him from making that criticism, then who is the bigot?

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A new set of photographs here, (Photographs 25) all of which have been posted before but they’re now together in one place.

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There I was thinking the Untrusted had become as mundane as the Underground when up pops MontanaWidlhack objecting to being called “Monty” by one of the newcomers:

“…you can’t possibly be so obtuse that you don’t understand the concept of compassion, so I’m going to have to believe at this point that you’re really just an arrogant bitch who can’t be bothered being nice to people you see as inferior.”

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BeautifulBurnout on the Tower Hamlets school girls:

We still don’t have any proof that they have actually gone to fight with or support ISIL either, Frog. As I mentioned the other day, the elder sister of one of the girls seemed to think they had gone off to try and find their friend and bring her back.

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A new set of photographs here, (Photographs 25) all of which have been posted before but they’re now together in one place.

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End of You Tell Us – 28 January 2015

“Today is the last ideas thread. From tomorrow, we won’t be running these threads anymore. We still really want your ideas for articles, but we think the best way to do that will be to have a dedicated email address for people to send in suggestions. That is being set up asap. The editor of Cif, Kira Cochrane, will be running a talking shop tomorrow to explain more, but when this thread closes tomorrow there won’t be a new one. I know this will be upsetting for some, but please bear with us while we make some new changes to the site.”

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 Today’s Music

As from today – (sometime in early 2013) “A Change is gonna Come” and hence the track which is from almost 500, vaguely described as pop and rock, on my MP4 player that I use mainly when I’m running at the gym or outdoors, or when I’m doing things I rather not like ironing clothes, cleaning and so on. This one by coincidence comes top of the list when arranged in alphabetical order. Of course I’ll intersperse them with some great jazz and classical music.

Massenet – Meditation from Thais

Yesterdays

Gimme Shelter – Rolling Stones

Gimme Hope Joanna – Eddy Grant

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  1. brusselsexpats

     /  May 22, 2015

    Morning all,

    Interesting report from the OECD today saying that the gap between rich and poor in developed countries has never been higher and is actually worse than in developing countries.

    On another note – a report said that Brussels was the third richest capital city in the world but again there is a huge gap between rich and poor. Brussels has one of the highest rates of poverty in Belgium, though it must be said most of those people are from immigrant communities.

    Antwerp however is the richest province in Belgium – no surprise there. If Belgium ever did split Antwerp would be the capital of Flanders. It far outstrips Brussels in so many ways.

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  2. Some of the utility companies and councils really are the pits.

    Before I moved last year, I dutifully completed the moving home section of the website of the utility company who provided both gas and electric asking them to provide me with a service at my new address, giving all the details including final readings and full new address and my phone numbers and email. When I got to my new house I paid the existing accounts for the companies the previous occupant had set up and told them I’d be changing when the company set up accounts for me. Nothing happened for ages and I eventually got on the phone to my old company and they knew nothing of my move. New accounts with them were eventually set up over 4 months after I moved. Yesterday out of the blue I got a letter from a debt recovery company demanding money for an unpaid bill – feeling quite upset I rang them and discovered this was a bill from my old address! They knew where I was but hadn’t sent the bill on to me. I paid it but expressed how angry I felt at being treated like this and how it could affect my credit.

    Similarly, a letter addressed to the householder came here from the council about unpaid council tax for a date before I lived here. This must be for the landlord who owned the house and covers the period after the tenant left and before I moved in. Letters from the council for the previous owner keep arriving here and I forward them on.

    There is a failure to check records or update accounts and unnecessary heavy action is taken against customers/council tax payers. Very bad service.

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  3. Sara

     /  May 21, 2015

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    • Paul

       /  May 21, 2015

      Hi Sara

      Remember dancing to the following from Manu Dibango when i was a teenager.Seems like a lifetime ago.

  4. Sara

     /  May 21, 2015

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  5. Sara

     /  May 21, 2015

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  6. Sara

     /  May 21, 2015

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  7. Sara

     /  May 21, 2015

    On and another note – what do they put in evo stick glue these days? i was trying to mend an onrnament, dropped some on my leg, leg started smouldering – then my fingers got stuck together.. burning smell, ive only just got free – with big yellow patches

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    • Sara

       /  May 21, 2015

    • Paul

       /  May 21, 2015

      Glad you finally came unstuck Sara :-)

      Hope you’re not in too much pain.

      Love that Roberta Flack track.

      Here’s one back for you from Bobby Brown.which i’ve just been listening too.

    • I thought you might be about to say that you got a high from it – they must put something really strong in it to get that reaction you did. It always used to be one of the weaker glues.

    • That’s a good track Paul and so is the dancing.

    • Sara

       /  May 21, 2015

    • Paul

       /  May 21, 2015

      Glad you liked it Desde.and thanks for the ECK track Sara

    • Sara

       /  May 22, 2015

      Hi Desde – I’ve just realised it was super glue – rather than evo stick…strong stuff!

  8. Sara

     /  May 21, 2015

    Have What it Takes to be in Al Qaeda? Apply here.

    Even the world’s most notorious terror organization needs human resources.

    ‘An application to become a member of al Qaeda collected during the 2011 raid of Osama bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan was released Wednesday. Much of it reads like a typical job application with language straight out of HR: it includes questions about personal information, past work and education experience, and foreign language proficiency. It even tells the applicant to direct any questions to his or her “brother supervisor,” asks that all answers are written “clearly and legibly,” and assures applicants their answers would be kept private.

    But hidden among this innocuous language are questions that hint at the grim work the job entails. You can read the entire application here, but below are samples of some of the more chilling, and odd, inquiries.

    How long do you plan to stay in the (jihadi) theater?
    Any hobbies or pastimes?

    What is your favorite material: science or literature?

    Do any of your family or friends work with the government? If so, would he/she be willing to cooperate with or help us?

    What objectives would you would like to accomplish on your jihad path?
    Do you wish to execute a suicide operation?

    Who should we contact in case you became a martyr?’

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/20/have-what-it-takes-to-be-in-al-qaeda-apply-here/?utm_content=buffer26ce1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    Makes you wonder what IS ‘job applications’ look like

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  9. Sara

     /  May 21, 2015

    In Flight

    En route from London to Tokyo, a pilot’s-eye view of life in the sky.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/05/14/opinion/14-in-flight-mark-vanhoenacker.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

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  10. Sara

     /  May 21, 2015

    One young womans journey

    Removing my hijab

    aliyah saleem

    https://aliyahsaleem.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/removing-my-hijab/

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    • Paul

       /  May 21, 2015

      Thanks for posting that Sara.Personally i’ve no problem with women wearing a hijab provided they do so out of choice.However i loathe and detest the niqab and hate it’s growing appearance in this country for it’s a garment which ,in my opinion,represents oppression.And it’s beyond my comprehension why any intelligent ,free-thinking woman would choose to wear it.I don’t think it should be banned in this country though.I just think we need to be a lot clearer about when the right to see someone’s face take priority over the right for someone to cover it up.

      I also get irritated with those who’re quick to support the right of women to wear either a hijab or niqab but who seem oblivious to the pressure some muslim women and girls in this country are being put under to wear one from within their families and communities.And if i could i’d force them to read this article you posted because i think the experience of this woman is probably more common than many realize.

    • Jack Roth

       /  May 21, 2015

      ‘i’ve no problem with women wearing a hijab provided they do so out of choice.However i loathe and detest the niqab’

      I object to both – as far as I am concerned they are putting two fingers up to the host country – even, in a round about way, by those born here.

    • Paul

       /  May 21, 2015

      I disagree Jack.Muslim women should have the right to wear a hijab,just like Sikhs should have the right to wear a turban,Jews a kipper and Christians a crucifix.I’ve no problem with that .The niqab however is another matter and as far as that’s concerned i agree with you.

    • Jack Roth

       /  May 21, 2015

      Well, neither the turban nor the kipper, are symbols of a religion that is sworn to the destruction of the host country and its way of life.

    • Paul

       /  May 22, 2015

      There are clearly elements within this country’s fast growing and increasingly diverse Muslim communities who reject the ‘norms” of this country.And people are well within their rights to say that if they hate it here so much they should go and live in an Islamic country which is more to their liking.Although i suspect that many of them who did would probably want to come back here pretty sharpish.

      Most Muslims in this country consider themselves to be British -and proud of it- and there’s no evidence they want to destroy this country and its way of life..There is however a legitimate question to be asked as to whether British Muslims are doing enough to tackle extremism in their communities.And there’s a legitimate debate to be had as to whether cultural attitudes within British Muslim communities are playing a key role in holding them back.For it’s a fact that British Muslims have one of the worst rates of poverty ,social deprivation and social segregation in the country.They also have one of the highest proportions of working-aged adults classified as being either unskilled and/or unemployed and/or economically inactive and/or in receipt of either unemployment or disability benefits.And in my opinion neither racism nor Islamophobia are wholly responsible for that.

      More enlightened and integrated Muslims -and i know a few- recognize that for Muslims to really thrive in this country they have to embrace modernity and equality.Now the fact that too many aren’t at the moment is certainly problematic but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re all embracing extremism and everything that goes with it.

    • Sara

       /  May 22, 2015

      ‘I object to both – as far as I am concerned they are putting two fingers up to the host country – even, in a round about way, by those born here.’

      How do you come to the conclusion that a Hijab is sticking two fingers up? does Malala’s head covering make you feel like that too? do you think she would be more powerful if she removed it…I don’t.

    • I agree with Jack here and see this clothing as a way of saying, ‘I’m different and won’t conform to Western ways’. Many see it as a form of oppression of women but many of the wearers choose to dress like this. There were many Muslims here 30 odd years ago and before but it was very rare to see the hijab or niqab so it’s unlikely to be due to men forcing women to wear them as men had old fashioned and chauvinistic attitudes then and were very religious especially when they’d only just arrived in the west. It’s far more likely to be a political gesture. It should not be acceptable for anyone working in the public sector to be dealing with the public with their face covered or when there are security issues. How ridiculous these women look walking around swathed in cloth from head to toe – have to wonder how on earth Britain got to be like this. It also corresponds to a time when dress is far more relaxed within Christianity and women can go to church without wearing hats and can wear trousers or jeans. I would not ban this clothing completely as that’s oppressive and undemocratic but support forcing women to have uncovered faces in some situations.

      Cue the ‘Muslim haters’ accusations from the Untrusted.

    • “For it’s a fact that British Muslims have one of the worst rates of poverty ,social deprivation and social segregation in the country.”

      The official figures don’t always reflect the reality. Very large extended families exist within the Muslim communities and they will financially support each other in ways that are rare these days within white British communities. Thus, someone who has a low income may still own their own home or have a good car, go on holidays because the extended family will have helped them raise cash for a mortgage. A person with a low wage job like a taxi driver or waiter isn’t necessarily always poor in those circumstances. Plus, many Muslims have done well in the landlord business, buying many houses and renting them out.

  11. Paul

     /  May 21, 2015

    May have posted this here before but it’s worth listening to again.

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  12. Paul

     /  May 20, 2015

    Operation Hydrant.has led to over 1400 people being accused of historical chlld sex abuse.Of these 261 are described as being prominent people.One can only speculate on the number of people who either knew or suspected what was going on and either did nothing or tried to do something but saw their attempts stymied by the authorities and those with power..

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/05/20/uk-britain-abuse-idUKKBN0O51SX20150520

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    • Sara

       /  May 21, 2015

      ”Operation Hydrant.has led to over 1400 people being accused of historical chlld sex abuse.Of these 261 are described as being prominent people.One can only speculate on the number of people who either knew or suspected what was going on and either did nothing or tried to do something but saw their attempts stymied by the authorities and those with power..”

      Morning Paul – one can also speculate on the far higher number of non prominent people who either knew or suspected what was going on – yet did nothing

  13. Sara

     /  May 20, 2015

    IS guide touts ‘plush holiday resort’

    Caliphate population ‘screams diversity,’ jihadist pamphlet says, enticing readers with promises of chocolate

    Join the Islamic State — we have chocolate, a 46-page travel e-book published online Monday by a British jihadist implored its Western readers.

    “A Brief Guide to the Islamic State’ [2015],” penned by UK-born Abu Rumaysah, gushingly portrays the Islamic State’s brutal regime as a zeppelin-flying, “cosmopolitan,” group, languishing on a utopian “plush holiday resort.”
    “If you thought London or New York was cosmopolitan then wait until you step foot in the Islamic State, because it screams diversity,” it boasts without irony, according to The Independent.
    The document makes no mention of women.
    “The country has also become a magnet for talent. It has been successful in recruiting skilled professionals that are crucial for state building. Scholars, judges, preachers, soldiers, doctors,” it says.
    As for food, there are a number of “scrumptious” options, it promises, including kebabs and falafel.
    “Snickers, Kit Kat, Bounty, Twix, Kinder Surprise, Cadburys – yes, yes we have it all.”
    The scenery is “breathtaking,” it notes, and the area, though admittedly hot, “has all the makings of a plush holiday resort.”
    As for transportation, the guide says the Islamic State aims to build trains, ships, and planes “but everything is on the table: zeppelins, hovercrafts, trams [and] microlites.”
    Conscientious readers of the travel guide, who may have already begun packing their bags for the ethnically diverse, futuristic and chocolate-rich oasis, may, however, be put off by its abrupt and aggressive conclusion.
    “When we descend on the streets of London, Paris and Washington the taste will be far bitterer, because not only will we spill your blood, but we will also demolish your statues, erase your history and, most painfully, convert your children who will then go on to champion our names and curse their forefather.”
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-guide-touts-plush-holiday

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    • The funny thing was that whilst they were saying capitalism was dead they were trying to lure new recruits with promises of capuchinnos, fast food and western transport systems.

    • brusselsexpats

       /  May 21, 2015

      Morning all,

      Even in the direst situations there’s a dose of black humour. Reminds me of the civil war in Lebanon when still in the middle of mayhem, the Druze leader, Walid Jumblatt, was appointed Minister for Tourism.

  14. brusselsexpats

     /  May 20, 2015

    I cannot understand the authorities even allowing such an inflammatory action to take place right in a Jewish heartland.

    I hope the neo-Nazi scum end up with cracked heads.

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  15. brusselsexpats

     /  May 20, 2015

    Paul – my clothes have taken over my entire home…..I’m getting scared of them.

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  16. Sara

     /  May 20, 2015

    Very sad to hear Robert Wistrich,a leading scholar of anti-Semitism, has died of a heart attack

    ”According to the daily ‘La Stampa’, Wistrich was due to address the Italian Senate on the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe.”

    A huge loss

    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Robert-Wistrich-leading-scholar-of-anti-Semitism-dies-of-heart-attack-403590?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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  17. Paul

     /  May 20, 2015

    In other news another anti-Jewish rally has been planned in Golders Green on the Jewish Sabbath.

    For those who don’t know Golders Green is a ward in the London Borough of Barnet and has a large Jewish community.The rally is the same as the one organised recently in Stamford Hill-in the London Borough of Hackney which has a large Haredi community- and which was attended by around 30 people.

    I doubt many will attend the Golders Green Rally but there’s clearly something wrong when the police can’t prevent an event which is so blatantly anti-semitic.And i wonder whether an anti- Black rally in Brixton or an anti-Muslim rally in Tower Hamlets would have been allowed to have gone ahead given the justifiable response it would have got from those communities.

    The Jews make up just 0.5% of the UK population and given the overall rise in anti-semitism they’re understandably feeling vulnerable at the moment.You’d think therefore the police would have the powers to prevent an event-no matter how poorly attended -which is likely to make some Jews feel even more threatened .

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/police-do-not-have-legal-powers-to-stop-antijewish-demo-planned-in-golders-green-10262595.html

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    • Sara

       /  May 20, 2015

      Yes clearly something is very wrong when neo nazi white supremists are allowed to hold their ‘anti Jewification rallies’

  18. Paul

     /  May 20, 2015

    Afternoon all

    Latest grim news from the excellent Benefits and Work forum.

    Benefit sanctions are up 25% in one month in the ESA Work Related Activity Group with the mentally ill and those with learning disabilities especially badly hit.And around 50% of those sanctioned give up on their claims.

    The ESA WRAG is where sick and disabled claimants are put in order to ”help”them get back into work.The reality is that very few-less than 10%- find employment. For the majority it’s the equivalent of a holding pen where they’re forced to jump through hoops for their benefits until either they die,get sanctioned,voluntarily give up their claims or fail the means test they’re all subjected too after 52 weeks.

    In 2011 by the DWP’s own statistics 1300 claimants died within 6 weeks of being placed in the ESA Work Related Activity Group.And by early June at the latest the Information Commissioner has ordered the DWP to publish the numbers of people who’ve died since then after being wrongly assessed following their Work Capability Assessment.Unless the DWP fiddles the stats the death toll’s likely to run into thousands -including suicides.

    IDS has made it clear he wants to scrap the ESA WRAG and force claimants placed in this group to sign on like the rest of the unemployed at their local JCP..If that happens their claims will be handled by JCP Disability Advisors and they’ll be given a few concessions -eg distance they have to travel to find work -that aren’t open to the able bodied unemployed.The reality of course is that this will be used as a further ploy to drive as many claimants off benefits as possible.The media and the medical profession have after all shown they really don’t give a toss about the sick and disabled so IDS et al know they can get away with abusing them with impunity and irrespective of how many deaths occur as a result.

    http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3095-esa-sanctions-for-being-too-ill-to-work-up-by-25-in-one-month?utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Benefits%20and%20Work&utm_content=20+May+newsletter+2015

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    • Sara

       /  May 20, 2015

      Hello Paul – what did the 1300 claimants die from?

    • Paul

       /  May 20, 2015

      Hi Sara

      I don’t know to be honest with you .All of them had chronic health problems/disabilites.And the stress they were put under by the DWP after being wrongly assessed as being fit enough for the ESA WRAG may well have worsened their conditions and hastened their deaths.There were also cases of claimants dying after having massive heart attacks after being wrongly assessed .Some may have committed suicide.

      All we know ,.by the DWP’s own figures,is that in 2011 alone 1300 claimants died within 6 weeks of being placed in the ESA WRAG.

  19. brusselsexpats

     /  May 20, 2015

    Yes Desde – there was the concept of “Sunday Best” when everyone turned out in their best clothes to go to church and/or visit relatives.

    Same with costume jewellery. It used to cost a small fortune when I was in my teens (didn’t wear the real thing those days) and there wasn’t that much to get excited about. Nowadays young people have so much choice and the quality is mostly pretty good.

    And don’t get me started on make-up. In my very young Rimmel-wearing days I got brassed off because the eyeliner kept flaking off.

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  20. brusselsexpats

     /  May 20, 2015

    Hi Desde,

    They are only the latest acquisitions. I go to the theatre, ballet etc. a lot in the season. Also Brussels is quite formal, certainly in the Eurovillage. Then there are the drinks receptions of which we have many (believe me they are not that exciting). Plus holidays and in the summer I like a dress for running into town or going to Knokke.

    You wouldn’t believe my wardrobes – they are bulging. I am due to have a clear out – the stuff always goes to charity. And I’m not exaggerating. Kiz can testify as to how many clothes I pack for holidays. When I was last at the Vienna festival one June I changed three times a day. Quite an exhausting holiday was that.

    Thing about clothes is that, in real terms, they are much cheaper than they were say twenty years ago and the quality of the fabrics better.

    It’s my one great indulgence as in many other respects I’m rather frugal, hardly drinking alcohol (OK the odd cocktail or glass of white wine) and being almost monastic in my eating habits.

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    • “Thing about clothes is that, in real terms, they are much cheaper than they were say twenty years ago and the quality of the fabrics better.”

      Clothes were so expensive in the 60s and 70s that most people only had about 3 sets of clothes: one for ‘best’, jeans and scruffs and day to day working clothes. Patching and making do like letting down hems or taking material from hems to patch was routine – now most of us have loads of clothes. A result of cheap labour in the Far East where a lot of clothes are now made. The days of St Michael and other home manufactured stuff is long gone.

    • Paul

       /  May 20, 2015

      Hi Bru

      It has been said you live in northern France and Belgium is actually your walk-in wardrobe. :-)

  21. Now here’s something I do find entertaining – South Beach Tow on truTV about a firm who repossess vehicles when payments aren’t made. It’s great – like Made In Chelsea or TOWIE it pretends to be unscripted but is actually funny. People are thrown out of 3rd floor windows and just get up and walk away; the way the towers can tell that a Mini is the kind of car that strippers own and sure enough, a couple of scantily clad women appear; Bernice who beats up men single handed and the hapless Dave who gets coffee spilt down his front – i.e. he throws it down himself. Great stuff.

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  22. brusselsexpats

     /  May 20, 2015

    Morning all,

    Hi Desde,

    The trick is to tell people what they want to hear – always goes down a treat, even if the poster is lying through his/her cyber teeth.

    The irony is that those who tell the truth are called liars and the phonies get the “group hug”.

    And yes – I really did buy seven dresses in a fortnight. Sorry Hermione – you can’t beat the “real thing”.

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    • Good morning Bruss

      “..seven dresses in a fortnight”

      Sounds like some kind of superstition. Where will you wear these dresses? I rarely have a chance to wear dresses – I sometimes think that’s why some people go to church so they get the chance to wear some nice clothes. I’m always in walking, dog walking or other dress down clothes. There is a dress code in the library where I volunteer but it’s fairly casual and for bending down and reaching up wearing trousers is better – plus it was freezing when I came out and I found hailstones on the side gate when I returned, so warm comfy clobber is needed.

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