Watching The Untrusted Implode

Pangum, Sagarmāthā National Park, Nepal, November 2000

Pangum, Sagarmāthā National Park, Nepal, November 2000

Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 

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So here’s a challenge to Ally Fogg from no other than Ayaan Hirsi Ali, one of the most courageous women today, who says – Islam “is not a peaceful one” and calls for “a Muslim Reformation.”

Those who she states are her harshest critics — Muslims and Western liberals - like Ally Fogg, deny what she’s been professing all along: that Islamic faith and modernity are incompatible, and that the recent surge in extremist attacks in the name of Islam is an even greater indication that something more monumental must be done.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali writes, and she writes it about you Ally Fogg:

My uncompromising statements on this topic have incited such vehement denunciations that one would think I had committed an act of violence myself. For today, it seems, speaking the truth about Islam is a crime. “Hate speech” is the modern term for heresy. And in the present atmosphere, anything that makes Muslims feel uncomfortable is branded as “hate.”

So will we hear Ally Fogg calling Ayaan Hirsi Ali a vile racists?

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Ally Fogg:

Free speech not only means the right to say unpalatable and unpopular things, it also involves
the right to call oppression and bigotry for what they are when we see them.

And if you call someone a vile racist for criticising Islam as being institutionally sexist and prevent him from making that criticism, then who is the bigot?

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A new set of photographs here, (Photographs 25) all of which have been posted before but they’re now together in one place.

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There I was thinking the Untrusted had become as mundane as the Underground when up pops MontanaWidlhack objecting to being called “Monty” by one of the newcomers:

“…you can’t possibly be so obtuse that you don’t understand the concept of compassion, so I’m going to have to believe at this point that you’re really just an arrogant bitch who can’t be bothered being nice to people you see as inferior.”

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BeautifulBurnout on the Tower Hamlets school girls:

We still don’t have any proof that they have actually gone to fight with or support ISIL either, Frog. As I mentioned the other day, the elder sister of one of the girls seemed to think they had gone off to try and find their friend and bring her back.

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I came across this rather disturbing aspect of Green Party policy in Spiked:

 4) Green taxes would hit the poor hardest

Many of the Greens’ killjoy policies, like shutting down zoos and banning alcohol on planes, would make everyone miserable, regardless of social standing. But despite the Green Party’s talk of redistributing wealth and creating a fairer society, most of the Greens’ proposed taxes would hit the poor the hardest.

Under the party’s proposals, goods and services would be taxed according to how much damage the party deems these products do to the environment. So, if you’re less well-off, you can say goodbye to your carbon-belching car and jetting off for foreign holidays; the Greens’ plan is to make these sorts of luxuries unaffordable for common folk. Instead, you’ll be told to walk or cycle. And if you’re elderly, disabled or just lazy, their 2015 manifesto tells us that ‘animal-powered transport, in particular horse-powered transport, is also sustainable’.

As for exotic luxuries like coffee, bananas and chocolate, these will be taxed beyond the reach of the average pleb. Maybe if you save up you can have them at Christmas. Oh, and booze: the Greens want to raise the price of all alcohol by 50 per cent.

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Backtothepoint, whose resentment of being born British sticks in his craw so much that whenever the opportunity arises he takes the opportunity to denigrate the country of his birth. Here he is decrying the retreat from Dunkirk that had it not happened, given the number of French people that supported Vichy France, it’s just probable that the planned German invasion of England would have gone ahead.

He writes:

I thought it was the British who deserted their allies in wartime.

Or were they hurrying back from Dunkirk to get to grips with the Nazis in the Home Counties?

Notwithstanding that several French divisions were evacuated from Dunkirk in Operation Dynamo, he’s quite right about the UK’s Nazi sympathisers like Oswald Mosley, but they were rightly incarcerated for much of the the war, while many of BTTP’s elected countrymen were establishing the Nazi sympathising Vichy regime.

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From Today’s Guardian:

Two charities (Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust joined the Roddick Foundation)  have agreed to no longer fund the controversial advocacy group Cage, which has faced questions over its links to Mohammed Emwazi, the Briton identified as Islamic State executioner ‘Jihadi John’.

The move made on Friday comes after pressure from the Charity Commission and follows the news that Amnesty International was also considering severing its ties with the group.

What on earth was the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust, a Quaker organisation, doing funding an organisation that supports international jihad?

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The appearance of Cageprisoners in the news over the past few days reminded me of this article by Rahila Gupta – Double standards on human rights in which Ally Fogg went to war with just about everyone over Amnesty International hosting Cage member Moazzam Begg.

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Oradour has silenced the pro-Putin groupies on the Untrusted:

When Putin took Crimea, I couldn’t remain silent, I felt too bad. People think this annexation is normal. They’ve been brain-washed. Most haven’t understood, they are too young. But those who, like me, lived as adults in the USSR, should be immune to such cynical, brutal propaganda.

To which Vincent Vassiliev replied:

Hi Oradour,

may I recommend the Russian émigré website ‘enrussie.fr’,

from which can be found:

On February 27, 2015 Boris Nemtsov was assassinated in the street outside the Kremlin to intimidate Russian society. Sviatoslav Vakarchuk gave a concert in New York that day and has dedicated a song to this extraordinary Russian politician. A memorial march is now provided in the center of Moscow and at the center of Saint Petersburg.

And everyone else ignored.

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A new set of photographs here, (Photographs 25) all of which have been posted before but they’re now together in one place.

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End of You Tell Us – 28 January 2015

“Today is the last ideas thread. From tomorrow, we won’t be running these threads anymore. We still really want your ideas for articles, but we think the best way to do that will be to have a dedicated email address for people to send in suggestions. That is being set up asap. The editor of Cif, Kira Cochrane, will be running a talking shop tomorrow to explain more, but when this thread closes tomorrow there won’t be a new one. I know this will be upsetting for some, but please bear with us while we make some new changes to the site.”

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 Today’s Music

As from today – (sometime in early 2013) “A Change is gonna Come” and hence the track which is from almost 500, vaguely described as pop and rock, on my MP4 player that I use mainly when I’m running at the gym or outdoors, or when I’m doing things I rather not like ironing clothes, cleaning and so on. This one by coincidence comes top of the list when arranged in alphabetical order. Of course I’ll intersperse them with some great jazz and classical music.

 

Gimme all your lovin’  –  ZZ Top

Yesterday’s music

Rachmaninoff Prelude Op 23 No 5

Gaucho – Steely Dan

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  1. Paul

     /  March 31, 2015

    Thanks for the great selection of photographs on the front page Bitey.i know you said you’d posted them before-although not all together-but i don’t remember seeing them.

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  2. Paul

     /  March 31, 2015

    All over the Islamic world the birth rates have been falling to European levels where women have control over their fertility.An example of this is in Iran where birth rates have been similar to UK birth rates for some years now.However the Iranian government is now concerned at the ageing of the Iranian population so want to ”encourage”women there to have more children.And they’re proposing to achieve this by blocking their access to family planning programmes.In other words they want to turn Iranian women into baby machines.

    Iranian women are generally well educated so it will be interesting to see how they resist attempts by their government to ”encourage” them to have more children.Nevertheless all over the Islamic world where women are educated and have a choice they tend to have similar birth rates to European women.Which flies in the face of those cultural relativists who believe Muslims have large families because they see them as a gift from god.For the fact is that those who have large families tend to be the most conservative and least well educated and where the women have no control over their fertility.And that’s probably also the case amongst Muslims living in the western world.

    http://www.newsweek.com/irans-plan-boost-declining-birth-rate-block-access-birth-control-312984

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  3. Sara

     /  March 30, 2015

    Another Free-Thinking blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh – in Memoriam Beloved Washiqur Rahman.

    https://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/another-free-thinking-blogger-hacked-to-death-in-bangladesh-in-memoriam-beloved-washiqur-rahman/

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  4. Sara

     /  March 30, 2015

    Haven’t had much of a chance to look at ‘the guardian’ of late – but I see Im still in the 6th wk of ‘pre-mod’ for challenging an antisemitic racist .. says it all really .. still… you gotta keep on keeping on

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  5. Paul

     /  March 30, 2015

    Afternoon all

    Interesting article in the New Statesman about the changing patterns of poverty in this country.

    27% of households on average are now classified as poor.And as well as increases in households which are poor there’s also been an increase in those classified as wealthy and a reduction in those classified as neither wealthy nor poor.This clearly reflects the growing inequality which blights our society with the rich getting richer ,the poor getter poorer and the middle classes and skilled working classes being ”squeezed”.

    There are those on the Right who try and dismiss these stats by stating that absolute poverty is now relatively rare in this country.But i think they’re missing the point especially as the UK now has the distinction of having one of the worst levels of relative poverty and inequality in the developed world.

    Inner london is now the richest region in the EU .However London as a whole has the worst levels of poverty and inequality in the UK with 36% of all London households classified as poor.And it really grates when middle class Guardianistas wax lyrical about the ”vibe” in London whilst being seemingly indifferent about the realities of living in its vast impoverished underbelly.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/hollowing-out-london-how-poverty-patterns-are-changing

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    • Sara

       /  March 30, 2015

      Hello – ”This clearly reflects the growing inequality which blights our society with the rich getting richer ,the poor getter poorer”…

      Has there ever been any other way? -

    • Paul

       /  March 31, 2015

      Hi Sara

      There’s always been poverty and inequality but what we’re seeing is a rise in the the proportion of UK households classified as either rich or poor and a decline in the proportion which are neither rich nor poor-ie the middle classes and skilled working classes.

      This country has one of the worst rates of poverty and inequality in the developed world. And there’s no sign of our main political parties embracing the level of consensus with each other on the policies which are needed to effectively tackle this.

      Some people forget that the post 1945 settlement in this country.was underpinned by a fair degree of consensus between the Tories and Labour .And there’s a certain irony in the fact that British society was at its most equal in 1975-the very year the death knell was finally sounded for what was by then an admittedly faltering consensus with the election of Margaret Thatcher as leader of the Tories.

  6. brusselsexpats

     /  March 30, 2015

    Yes – any bets on the outcome? UKip could be the “Kingmaker” unfortunately. The two main parties seem to be neck on neck so another coalition looms by the looks of it.

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  7. brusselsexpats

     /  March 30, 2015

    Good morning all,

    I see the FN have done well in the French elections. Hardly surprising after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. At the time I said this would happen.

    There a section of the Moslem community in Europe intent on shooting themselves in the foot.

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    • Good morning everyone.

      It will be interesting to see how UKIP do in May: if they do badly they could fizzle out and this may be their only chance to get MPs. If history is anything to go by, UKIP will prove to be just another protest vote and the undecideds just won’t bother to vote and it’ll be Labour v Conservative yet again. Sky News were predicting that it could be another coalition.

  8. Sara

     /  March 30, 2015

    via paulkirby
    ‘A data driven tombstone of the future? Karl Toomey’s view of what people will say about their loved ones’

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBMDlSdWoAAH-Wh.jpg:large

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  9. Paul

     /  March 30, 2015

    The film ”Scandal” , based on the Profumo scandal of the early 1960’s, for any insomniacs

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  10. Sara

     /  March 29, 2015

    Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity,
    seek out arguement & disputation for their own sake.
    the grave will will supply plenty of silence”

    Christopher Hitchens(letters to a young contrarian)

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  11. Paul

     /  March 29, 2015

    Interesting article from Reuters about the UK’s waning influence in the EU.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/03/29/uk-britain-election-brexit-analysis-idUKKBN0MP03S20150329

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    • brusselsexpats

       /  March 30, 2015

      Paul – that is an interesting article. If the UK does leave people will find out very quickly that the problems besetting the country, such as lack of social mobility, low wages, growing chasm between rich and poor, housing prices and hit-and-miss schools, will continue.

      At the moment the EU has been the convenient peg on which to hang all the nation’s frustrations.

  12. Sara

     /  March 29, 2015

    was just wondering if anyone knew if there is any type of legal requirement to have a heater(of some sort) in a bathroom?

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    • Fran

       /  March 29, 2015

      Sara:

      Thinking around the safety aspects in an unqualified way, I think it likely only sealed heating appliances (e.g. radiators) or underfloor heating (hot air) would be permitted by building regulations. As to minimum provision, don’t know. Is it cold where you are tonight?

    • Sara

       /  March 29, 2015

      yea it’s cold – no radiator or fixed heater in the bathroom…

    • Fran

       /  March 29, 2015

      Brrrrr. A long hot bath or shower is more than just personal hygiene but getting out… Wrap up and run to the bedroom. You’ve got a bedroom heater?

    • Sara

       /  March 29, 2015

      there’s a storage heater in the bedroom – but its not on.. & i put a mirror on the storage heater in the front room when I moved in and it’s stopped working as a result.. thinking about it .. i’l give the bath a miss,

    • Paul

       /  March 29, 2015

      Hi Sara

      The Environmental Health Department at your local council should be able to answer that for you.And if they can’t they should be able to refer you to someone who can.Good luck.

    • Fran

       /  March 29, 2015

      Move the mirror and do as Paul suggests. In the meantime, keep warm as you can. A nice cup of tea maybe (smile).

    • Sara

       /  March 30, 2015

      thanks paul&fran, (I have moved the mirror on the storage in lounge – I meant I’ve bust it by placing it there in the first place.. me and electronics never work out) but bathroom is well cold

    • Paul

       /  March 30, 2015

      Maybe try and give yourself a bed bath Sara :-)

  13. Sara

     /  March 28, 2015

    In my old manor of Wood Green – Kurds clash with Islamists

    ”Police and demonstrators clashed after a “mini riot” broke out in a busy high street.
    Members of the Kurdish community clashed with demonstrators at an Islamic Roadshow stall in High Road, Wood Green, yesterday at around 5pm.
    Police were called to the town centre as arguments broke out between the two groups when the Kurdish people walked through Wood Green to the Kurdish Community Centre as part of Newroz – the traditional Iranian new year celebration.
    Muslim activist Anjem Choudary, known for being an advocate of Sharia Law, was among groups hosting the Islamic Roadshow stall, who were heard promoting Sharia law and urging Muslims not to vote while handing out leaflets from their tent outside Boots.
    Video footage, filmed by a boy who appears to have been above The Mall shopping centre at the time, shows police separating demonstrators, while racial slurs can be heard being shouted by people in the crowd.
    Shoppers looked on as several police cars and a riot van arrived on scene, pushing the Kurdish community back down the high street away from The Mall, while men and women fled from the roadshow stand”.http://m.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/11872146.VIDEO__Police_and_demonstrators_clash_in_high_street__mini_riot_/

    War against ISIS/Daesh: Kurdish Newroz demo confronts the coward-fascist Anjem Choudary, who is forced off the streets – London (UK)

    ”Yesterday, Kurdish people and their supporters confronted the street presence of Daesh-supporting Islamic-fascists at their protest stall outside a Boots chemist store in High Road, Wood Green in the late afternoon. The Islamists use the stall to promote Sharia Law and the Islamic State. Police came and protected the few fascists from the angry crowd, but quickly the Islamists packed up and left the area. The Kurdish people and their supporters made a procession to their community centre to celebrate their new year of Newroz. There were no arrests.”http://325.nostate.net/?p=15417

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    • Paul

       /  March 28, 2015

      Interesting post Sara.

      As you probably know the Kurdish community in north and east london vigorously defended their businesses from looters during the 2011 riots.They’re certainly a community that’s not to be messed with.And it’s good to see them making a stand against islamic extremists..

    • Why weren’t there any arrests? It looked like serious disorder.

    • Sara

       /  March 28, 2015

      Hi Paul – The Kurds have been making a stand for a long time – they are the only fighting force willing to fight the Fascists of IS on the ground.

      On another note.. I miss Wood Green a bit

  14. Good morning all.

    Not really good news today. The privatisation of England continues – I met up with ex-colleagues from the family centre and the charity lost the contract which has gone to a shoddy private provider. In my time they did a few contacts which I used to type up and these were mostly illegible scraps which didn’t pick up on the main points of a family contact visit and projected the contact worker’s view of the visit and not the children’s. So now this mickey mouse outfit runs all the contact visits for children in care. How typical of things now – get the cheapest, not the best, firm to do important work. What next, privatised air for breathing?

    Luckily I’m off to do something more fulfilling this afternoon and I hope you are all enjoying your weekend.

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  15. Paul

     /  March 28, 2015

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  16. Fran

     /  March 27, 2015

    And remixes:

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    • Jack Roth

       /  March 27, 2015

      Enjoyed that – much to my surprise (normally find remixes unnecessary.)

    • Fran

       /  March 27, 2015

      Jack:

      Pleased that you’re pleased. Has TRU ever been gifted with one of your favourite tracks? If not, why not?

    • Sara

       /  March 28, 2015

    • Jack Roth

       /  March 29, 2015

      No Fran – I’m happy to listen to the musical offerings of others.

    • Fran

       /  March 29, 2015

      Jack:

      I won’t say ‘I’m not a little disappointed but ‘shrugs”.

  17. Fran

     /  March 27, 2015

    B sides:

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  18. brusselsexpats

     /  March 27, 2015

    Morning all,

    Desde – I have no problem with celebrity myself but I do object to celebs getting away with crimes that would have anyone else behind bars double quick. Jimmy Savile was idolised because of his “charity” work. A case of fooling all of the people all of the time.

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  19. Paul

     /  March 27, 2015

    The Last Generation- a documentary about some of the few remaining survivors of a once thriving community in Poland which was almost completely destroyed during the Holocaust.

    in 1939 there were 3.2million Jews living in Poland.By 1945 around 3 million of them were dead.

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  20. Paul

     /  March 27, 2015

    Interesting posts from Desde and Bru about Thatcher.

    I loathed and despised Thatcher for her policies but have to give her some respect for becoming the first woman to lead a political party in this country and then go on to be its first female pm.

    It’s true to say that Thatcher did absolutely nothing to help radically increase the numbers of female mp’s in her party.So only ever had a very small number she could have promoted if she’d been so inclined.And i think the only other woman she did have briefly in her cabinet was the viciously homophobic and unelected Baroness Janet Young form the House of Lords.

    It has to be remembered that many women serve on the local tory party selection committees and they could be every bit as prejudiced against female candidates as men and especially if they had dependent children.Yet despite the fact that Thatcher entered Parliament as a relatively young mother in1959 Thatcher never once expressed any empathy either for other equally ambitious mothers or acknowledged the fact that she was only able to pursue her political career because she’d married a rich man so good quality childcare was never a problem..

    I think it would have been an anathema to Thatcher to try and make Parliament more female friendly for women from all parties. However if she’d really wanted too i’m sure she could have done a lot more to at least try and increase the number of female mps in her own party as well as promoting more into ministerial positions.

    When Thatcher was Minister for Education under Ted Heath between 1970-1974 she expressed support for the idea of having nursery education for all 3 and 4 year olds.Yet between 1979-1990 the issue of affordable childcare for ordinary working parents was never a priority for her .For as with her attitude towards tory mothers struggling to find winnable seats in her own party Thatcher clearly had no empathy for anyone who could neither afford nannies nor boarding school fees.But then didn’t she say that anyone over 30 still using public transport was a failure?

    Thatcher’s economic policies devastated the lives of many working class men .women and children alike.Especially those who couldn’t take advantage of her ”Right To Buy’ scheme and were therefore always excluded from her vision of this country becoming a home-owning democracy.Yet in our first past the post electoral system she never needed their votes anyway so could afford to view them as being expendable which she did.

    Thatcher clearly had support from some middle class women especially those over 50 and some professional women used her as a role model for women who could have it all -including the shoulder pads.But on balance and despite the advantages bestowed on her by marrying a rich man Thatcher clearly felt that the mere fact she’d made it to the top was all the ”help” other women needed because she’d proved it could be done.Sisterhood to her was an alien concept because at the end of the day she was a glorified Queen Bea.

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  21. Sara

     /  March 27, 2015

    may just ruin your childhood. (You did grow up watching gangster movies, right?)http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03/24/rainbow-goodfellas-mashup_n_6930048.html
    It’s The Mash-Up Of ‘Goodfellas’ And ‘Rainbow’ You Never Knew You Needed

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  22. Hi Bitey

    You might as well delete my responses to Jim otherwise it looks as though i’m have a spat with myself.

    Cheers

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    • Jack Roth

       /  March 26, 2015

      :-)

    • Wasn’t Jim just having a laugh when asking for his posts as Paul to be deleted?

    • JimPress

       /  March 27, 2015

      Yes, Desde, he was.

      As of this moment you seem to be one of the very few voices of reason and rationality posting here.

    • Hi Paul,

      Seems I got things wrong and just as well the WordPress dustbin has a restore function.

    • ‘you seem to be one of the very few voices of reason and rationality posting here.’

      That doesn’t get said to me very often.

    • Paul

       /  March 28, 2015

      Wasn’t Jim just having a laugh when asking for his posts as Paul to be deleted?,

      I think he was trying to have a dig rather than a laugh desde.But whatever he was trying to do it seems to have fallen flat on its face.It’s the way he tell’s ‘em.Bless.

    • Paul

       /  March 28, 2015

      No worries Bitey.

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