Watching The Untrusted Implode

The road to Tiger Leaping Gorge - May 2014

The road to Tiger Leaping Gorge – May 2014

Tiger Leaping Gorge, Yunnan, China.  If you go anywhere in China, go to Yunnan Province

Tiger Leaping Gorge, Yunnan, China. If you go anywhere in China, go to Yunnan Province

BeautifulBurnout on the Tower Hamlets school girls:

We still don’t have any proof that they have actually gone to fight with or support ISIL either, Frog. As I mentioned the other day, the elder sister of one of the girls seemed to think they had gone off to try and find their friend and bring her back.

The BBC news today, 4 July, reported that two of the three girls, fully covered and with a woman carrying a gun, had been filmed out shopping in Syria.


The Untrusted’s Ann Tanner – (AT42) posts:

I supposed its the government I am ashamed of – and they (mis)represent us to the world. Their policies drag our name in the dirt and then ordinary people pay with their lives as they did in Tunisia today.

And I supppose she said the same about the  7 July 2005 London bombings when Blair’s (and Tanner’s) Labour Party was in government and Ken Livingstone was London Mayor?

Maybe she should attend a few of the funerals of those slaughtered so she can explain to the grieving relatives how Islamic terrorism is all the responsibility of successive Labour and Conservative government policies.

And just to prove how degenerate she’s become, here’s the UT’s resident barrister  BeautifulBurnout in full agreement with the members of the homicidal child rapists of Islamic State –

Anne – you are spot on.


My apologies for my absence since 18 April especially to those whose comments have been stuck in the pending box, but more about that later once I’ve worked my way through those that did manage to appear.


Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 


So here’s a challenge to Ally Fogg from no other than Ayaan Hirsi Ali, one of the most courageous women today, who says – Islam “is not a peaceful one” and calls for “a Muslim Reformation.”

Those who she states are her harshest critics — Muslims and Western liberals – like Ally Fogg, deny what she’s been professing all along: that Islamic faith and modernity are incompatible, and that the recent surge in extremist attacks in the name of Islam is an even greater indication that something more monumental must be done.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali writes, and she writes it about you Ally Fogg:

My uncompromising statements on this topic have incited such vehement denunciations that one would think I had committed an act of violence myself. For today, it seems, speaking the truth about Islam is a crime. “Hate speech” is the modern term for heresy. And in the present atmosphere, anything that makes Muslims feel uncomfortable is branded as “hate.”

So will we hear Ally Fogg calling Ayaan Hirsi Ali a vile racists?


Ally Fogg:

Free speech not only means the right to say unpalatable and unpopular things, it also involves
the right to call oppression and bigotry for what they are when we see them.

And if you call someone a vile racist for criticising Islam as being institutionally sexist and prevent him from making that criticism, then who is the bigot?


A new set of photographs here, (Photographs 25) all of which have been posted before but they’re now together in one place.


There I was thinking the Untrusted had become as mundane as the Underground when up pops MontanaWidlhack objecting to being called “Monty” by one of the newcomers:

“…you can’t possibly be so obtuse that you don’t understand the concept of compassion, so I’m going to have to believe at this point that you’re really just an arrogant bitch who can’t be bothered being nice to people you see as inferior.”


End of You Tell Us – 28 January 2015

“Today is the last ideas thread. From tomorrow, we won’t be running these threads anymore. We still really want your ideas for articles, but we think the best way to do that will be to have a dedicated email address for people to send in suggestions. That is being set up asap. The editor of Cif, Kira Cochrane, will be running a talking shop tomorrow to explain more, but when this thread closes tomorrow there won’t be a new one. I know this will be upsetting for some, but please bear with us while we make some new changes to the site.”


 Today’s Music

As from today – (sometime in early 2013) “A Change is gonna Come” and hence the track which is from almost 500, vaguely described as pop and rock, on my MP4 player that I use mainly when I’m running at the gym or outdoors, or when I’m doing things I rather not like ironing clothes, cleaning and so on. This one by coincidence comes top of the list when arranged in alphabetical order. Of course I’ll intersperse them with some great jazz and classical music

Today’s music.

Kenny Garrett Quartet – Song for Difang


In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  – making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

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  1. JimPress

     /  July 7, 2015

    If anybody had any doubts 48 hours ago, surely they now understand there’s no point whatsoever in attempting to engage ity.

    It’s not because s/he has mental issues or is married to a dog, it’s because s/he’s a truly rancid Jew-baiting presence who’d be more at home with their local BNP branch or Hamas support group. Ignore ity and ity will go away.

  2. Paul

     /  July 7, 2015

  3. Paul

     /  July 7, 2015

  4. Paul

     /  July 7, 2015

    A track for my online mate Sara. x

  5. ity

     /  July 7, 2015

    Evening all, I’m surprised it took so long to jump on the hint at history revisionism. Seems to have perked people up…must be the safety and comfort you feel, thinking you have enough to justify labelling me an antisemite. Have you enough evidence here? You think those words of mine are what will do it?

    Wouldn’t it be funny if I turned out to be Jewish? I’m not saying I am, but are you sure I’m not? And if I was, would that make me a bad Jew? Couldn’t you be a bad Jew? Ever considered this possibility?

  6. Sara

     /  July 6, 2015

    jack …i do a feel a bit odd that ity hasn’r been taken up on his ‘holocauset revisionsim,’ anything to say othet ‘dissapointment ? ‘ oh and bth what did you to reckon to jacks Nazi analogies?

    • Jack Roth

       /  July 6, 2015

      ‘i do a feel a bit odd that ity hasn’r been taken up on his ‘holocauset revisionsim’

      I missed that one – no doubt you will put him right on that score.

      ‘what did you to reckon to jacks Nazi analogies?’

      Your problem, Sara, is that you believe only the the Nazis can be Nazis.

    • Sara

       /  July 7, 2015

      you do realise jack(or anyone else for that matter) that ITY was quetioning the number of people murdered dutring the Holocaust…. don’t jack… or did you miss that bit? you know.. what with you being sharp and all

    • Sara

       /  July 7, 2015

      no jack – if you’re ok ok with somone saying they would like to talk about numbers murdered in the HOlocaust – and you can’t be bothered to take them up //YOU the one with the problem… you offered a wecome. to …’ity’ . //back it up then … or ?

    • Paul

       /  July 7, 2015

      Hi Sara

      Hope this new job works out well for you.

      To be honest with you i wouldn’t give Ity the satisfaction of letting him/her know the ignorance s/he spouts has got under your skin.Easier said than done i know.

      I haven’t read most of Ity’s posts here or elsewhere and don’t intend to.But in my way of thinking anyone who refuses to accept that around 6 million Jews were slaughtered during the Holocaust is either ignorant and/or mad and/or an anti-semite.And given Ity clearly has”issues”at the very least and/or may be another one of Shazzbot’s creations you’re never going to be able to engage in any sensible dialogue with him/her .So have a go at Ity if you want to but it’s not worth falling out with Jack or anyone else here over someone who’s either extremely troubled and/or just a glorified troll.

      ps I’m not preaching because i understand how you feel. So feel free to remind me of my own good advice when i get pissed of with posters who at the end of the day aren’t really worth bothering about. :-)

    • Paul

       /  July 7, 2015

      I’m not preaching because i understand how you feel.

      Meant to say ”I’m not preaching because i understand how you feel about what Ity has said. ”

    • ity

       /  July 7, 2015

      Yes, jack, how do you feel about my questioning the number of those killed during the holocaust? I wish I could tell you how I feel about it myself, but as this has not happened, I can’t really say.

  7. Sara

     /  July 6, 2015

    re playing the tune paul posted the other day, lovely, not heard for a while

  8. Sara

     /  July 6, 2015


    ”Ok, it’s all coming back to me…seems so long ago, was it only last summer the latest violence in Gaza? That was a hard time on ytu, and cif in general. Some moderation madness, and a growing unease or willingness to talk of the troubles. It was also when I was infected with a speck of anti semitism, a strange experience that involved drugs, but the experience was powerful, almost overwhelming for a moment, until I swallowed, gulped down….and it felt literal. And it’s been there, waiting. It’s safe if I leave it alone, but start asking the questions??? and it could bloom. Still can.

    And I’m fairly sure I wasn’t actually infected by Harif, it was the accumulative effect of every slightly cagey or self defensive…or avoiding of open questions, that became a thickening wall of silence. It felt like a dangerous time to me…fearful. And for the first time I felt a need to look at, and dig around, the issue of anti semitism. But of course to do so would mark you out as an anti semite. As would meetings, etc. Discussion outlawed…I’d never found myself in such a claustrophobic state, somehow totalitarian.

    So what am I saying? I’m saying that my encounters with the methods of argument used by some at the time, were dishonest, and they were evasive often enough, that suspicions can not help but grow in even the most loving of hearts. I’m saying that cif, ytu, sarah, and her supporters, were creating seeds of anti semitism, spreading a slow hate. I would like to carry on the discussion. To do so would also be to ask forbidden questions, and so be an anti semite. But today I don’t feel the fear of that label. I shall ignore it and resist it every step of the way, but I mustn’t fight it, don’t enable the label.

    I wish to question history. I am not a racist. I am not a hater. I am not an anti semite…

    …but I want, and on my own might be safest, I want to question the orthodox history. I want and need a safe place to do this. Preferably my rules, and my site perhaps? My pace…so not too much drama…Time for some advise may be”

    I don’t talk with Holocaust revisionsists and your disguise as shazz..and lets face it..thats you’re one twisted fuck mate

    • Sara

       /  July 6, 2015

      go ahead and question history ity………….. there’s always stormfront if you’re at a loss about numbers..

    • Paul

       /  July 6, 2015

      Hi Sara

      I don’t think Ity’s capable of having a coherent let alone consistent view about anything.And i fear it’s only a matter of time before his/her mask slips and s/he starts jabbering on about babies being raised by airedales.

      Hope you’re well.

    • Sara

       /  July 6, 2015

      hi paul, – im surprised jack could not see through ity .. anyway… stared new job today

    • Hi Sara.

      If that’s “started new job today”, then congratulations and for what it’s worth I think every battle is worth figthing.

    • Sara

       /  July 6, 2015

      im really quesrioning why no one had a come back to that.. the stench of antisemitism.. he/she wants help witht numbers?

    • ity

       /  July 7, 2015

      Which numbers did I want help with? I’m beginning to think you have serious issues with perception. I’m surprised it took so long, and now you’ve surprised me by how quickly you’re unravelling, not that I’m complaining. I needed a clear example of a certain problem of perception, you have kindly obliged, and given me what was needed.

      I’m a bit insulted that you think I’m shazzbot though…I mean really?…funny old world.

  9. Jack Roth

     /  July 6, 2015

    You know, ity – I’m starting to get the impression that you just want someone to talk to (not that there’s anything wrong with that.)

    • Paul

       /  July 6, 2015

      You may well be right Jack.But given s/he’s got his/her feet under the table at both the UT and the CU i wish s/ he’d share his/hers ”pearls of wisdom” with one of them.It’s like watching a dose of liver salts going through the thread.

    • The tactic is one of deliberate insult to provoke a reaction and keep the dialogue, if I can use that word, going. So you’re probably right. Most of it’s nonsensical – why would I or anyone else want to ‘break the trust’ ity has with others? No one can stop someone being friendly with other online posters and if it makes you happy, go for it.

      I picked up a rat for the first time today – never thought I’d do that.

    • Paul

       /  July 6, 2015

      I blame Sara.It’s all her fault. :-) :-) :-)

    • ‘I blame Sara.It’s all her fault.’

      For ity or the rat picking-up?

    • Paul

       /  July 6, 2015

      For Ity,Bitty,Let’s Get Pretty of course :-)

      ps Was it a big rat ? I was reading a while back about supersized rats becoming more common in this country..

    • Paul

       /  July 6, 2015

      Don’t want to give you nightmares desde ………..

  10. Thank you for your indulgence and your tolerance. I respect the fact that I have been allowed in to say things I needed to say, and accept that I could have been more diplomatic, and a little less antagonistic, perhaps.
    If anyone has anything interesting to say concerning the debating of antisemitism, mental health, or freedom of speech, I’ll answer. Otherwise, thanks for your time.

  11. Paul

     /  July 6, 2015

    Afternoon all

    Tomorrow marks the 10th anniversary of the 7/7 atrocity in London.I remember that day vividly although thankfully neither myself nor any family and friends were directly affected.

    Let’s hope the terrorists don’t have anything planned for tomorrow to commemorate what happened.

  12. brusselsexpats

     /  July 6, 2015

    Jack – I never knew that though there was a time he didn’t post so much now that I recall.

  13. brusselsexpats

     /  July 6, 2015

    Given the level of virulent antisemitism on the YTU Sara had every right to post her opinions and if people disagreed, they could argue their case without resorting to “outing”, personal attacks on her mental health (such a Communist trick – you don’t agree with me so you must be mental). We had Bella stupidly sporting the keffiyeh while attacks on Jews in Europe increased.

    Pointy was never thrown off or even put in moderation, despite being on record as saying Israel should not exist except as part of a Palestinian state. The Israelis would last long then wouldn’t they?

    • Jack Roth

       /  July 6, 2015

      Spot on, Bru. Sara was never given a fair crack of the whip on YTU (too many quick on the grass button.)

      If shes ‘passionate’ on here, well thats understandable.

      (You’re wrong about Pointy btw, after a few ‘exchanges’ with me, he was placed in ‘pre-mod’ a couple of times – nearly had him banned!)

    • This post of yours is exactly why I will not be discussing antisemitism here…this post is a good example of a bias and imbalance that those here, and supporters of Sarah on YTU, refuse to admit, or just can’t see. As to another poster you have just mentioned, they are not here on this site, and I have said I will not be discussing individuals not directly involved with my argument with this place.

      My issues with Sarah and her supporters was the dishonest manner of engaging with any dissent whatsoever. It’s political in intent, and with no regard for anything or anyone else whatsoever. And it is interesting that you bring up the using of mental health as a weapon, and illuminating that you instantly tie this tactic in with communism. Israeli leaders have spoken themselves of mental health and identity and the healing of sickness. If mental health can not be mentioned, serious discussion is curtailed. I have and have mental health issues, and if anyone here thing my mental health is effecting my judgement, than anyone is free to say, but it must come with an explanation of why it is relevant. If I bring up mental health, it will not be as a personal attack on a speaker, but to point out that the discussion is being derailed by this, and I should be expected to explain my reasoning.

      I am familiar with you and your methods of ‘debate’, brusselsexpats, and have replied to you here and now as a politeness only, but I have time management problems, and as you seem blinkered, and as I have little to no respect for you or you words, I will not reply to you here again. goodbye.

    • Jack, Sarah was given enormous leeway on YTU. Passion is nothing without some sense being spoken. She never engaged in argument honestly, but only gave out shrill accounts of her enemies wrong doing.

      I also noticed that Sarah stayed away from articles that were…difficult, just failed to acknowledge they were there, preferring to sit on YTU telling of atrocity. This is her tactic of ‘debate’. To shriek of atrocity. How to debate with someone who can do no wrong?

      As to reporting posts, or using the “grass” button as you call it, I have never reported anothers post ever. However, when discussion was not going sarahs way, nests would vanish, time after time, and the timing and circumstances would suggest it was if not her, then it was a supporter of hers. Though of course mods would jump in if things were just getting too nasty or heated.

    • Jack Roth

       /  July 6, 2015

      ‘Sarah was given enormous leeway on YTU’

      Have to disagree with you on that. Sara always got a rough ride on ytu, and her opponents made libel use of the ‘report’ function – not to mention those who would take every opportunity to ‘out’ her.

      Can I just point out ity – you can disagree with Bru, without insulting her (shes a very nice person.)

    • ‘Sarah was given enormous leeway on YTU’

      No she was not. She was outed on many occasions, like Shazzbot bringing up Semtex, as she called it – no need for that. She was accused of being nasty over Shazz’s dog which was meant to hurt as she likes animals and has a good record of caring for them and this was merely a way of getting back at her over the ‘my man’ being a dog stuff. Further, she was often challenged in ways that went over the top whilst those posting equally passionate views in support of Palestine (which was anti-semitic on occasion) didn’t suffer such aggression.

      ‘her opponents made libel use of the ‘report’ function’

      Jack – there must be some jokes in there somewhere.

    • Paul

       /  July 6, 2015

      Agreed Bru

      And what was always striking was that someof the self-appointed custodians of YTU who’d repeatedly and sometimes relentlessly mob attack Sara, were every bit as guilty of all the things they accused her of being .But were so far up their own backsides they were incapable of seeing that.

    • Well I’m not here to discuss petty past battles, and especially not ones that involve Shazzbot. And here I also do not care a jot about a vague sense of ‘niceness’. Niceness is truth and honesty. So, how aware, for example, is bru? The way that she approaches any subject with political content is quite subtle, for you lot anyway, and hints at a conscious intent, an agenda which is kept hidden if possible. I could be wrong, but that only leaves the option that bru is just unthinking and brainwashed. I suppose I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt here. Either way, niceness doesn’t come into it. Everyone’s nice somehow, but the ability to sip an expensive cocktail while discussing the arts isn’t the best judgement criteria.

      And jack you make a mistake thinking I care about what you think. I have been polite, and you have attempted to be helpful, but that’s all it is. You get obsequious when you need to jack, so don’t think that I’ll ever be grateful to you. I struggle being grateful and generous to family and friends, so you have no chance.

      And now I’m being rude again. Why? because I don’t trust the motives of anyone here. You have all shown that the emotive aspects are your preferred method of engaging in argument. I am opposed to this, very much so. Getting emotive is the way of the scoundrel. And this is the way of Sarah. This is the way of you all here. This is how to persistently derail discussion and debate that is not going your way. This behaviour is at the heart of why I despise this place. It’s a land of passive aggression and pain and fear and lies. And it can be no other way, because this is how you seem to be, who you are. And this is the nitty gritty, why I cannot remain and debate in this place. Our methods of engagement are incompatible….

      To attempt an honest debate requires being open, but I feel no one here wants to be open. You would rather close a discussion down. And by any means necessary, getting emotive, by distraction, moving goal posts.

      I can’t help but feel at times that the people here believe that the ends justify the means, intentional and political and with agenda. The only other explanations are stupidity, or denial at a level that is a mental health issue. To suppress the mental health issue can become a tool of repression.

    • ity –

      you appear to have fallen into the trap of thinking of debate in terms of winning or losing. Sometimes, the participants realise that the other person has an opposing point of view and that neither of them will change their minds and will run on parallel lines and never meet. That doesn’t mean that any person has ‘lost’ and ending a debate doesn’t mean they can’t answer, just that there has to be an end to it and there’s no more that can be said.

      You say you don’t respect anyone here and that others find us unlikeable, though you don’t demonstrate a mandate to speak for others. So why then are you here? Why not just put a sock in it, you’re not really saying anything other than being vaguely insulting and saying you don’t agree with the politics and opinions of posters here? If you like the UT and believe that some of the posters there are looking out for you, then post there and feel comforted by it.

    • Paul

       /  July 6, 2015

      You’re wasting your time with that one Desde .It’s tantamount to drowning in a pit of quicksand.

    • I must not stay here arguing for nothing, going over petty old squabbles. This is about a debate on debate, about thought and speech and the suppression of language for political reasons, about moulding reality, and particularly in relation to antisemitism, mental health, and propaganda. All other talk is just gossip. This is not ultimately about individuals, it’s not about me and it’s not about you. It’s about the mind, free thinking, free speaking, and free living, all done peacefully and with peace as the ultimate goal.

      Until you can allow criticism, open discussion on antisemitism, and open discussion of mental health, all without playing the racist card, or getting upset because someone dared suggest you may be not thinking well, then communication is, and will remain, impossible.

      The reason I’m attacking you all here is because this place has become symbolic of something, which is possibly a little unfortunate for you lot…but I think that your style of argument, of ‘debating’, is actually a serious hindrance to peaceful living. I’m picking on you because you represent something that really troubles me, I should may be try and make it less personal, and consider the feelings of those here more.

      desde – this was a general post, but will stick it here so as to answer you briefly…I can see my attacks could look too personal in nature. But me being here is not to be somewhere, why would I? My arguments with Sarah were important to me, and I took a lot of abuse from her that was unjustified, and was never apologised or accounted for, not that I need or want an apology…I am just saying my bit, wrapping up a mess of the last few months, and then I’ll be off to debate with someone willing. But this is not a school debate to be won or lost, and this is not me playing a game…it is part of what I see as a battle for mind. I don’t intend hanging around here, so no need to worry…I’m pretty much done here as it is, but after saying what I’ve said, it’s only fair that I respond, no? Otherwise people here would say I ran avoiding debate…which would be deliciously ironic, now I think of it.

    • “You’re wasting your time with that one Desde .It’s tantamount to drowning in a pit of quicksand.”

      Paul, Not everyone’s quite as stupid as you are, and desde is certainly not. You’d drown in a puddle of dust, I’d imagine.

    • Someone who can write this:

      ‘..if I have mentioned coming on here, BB has discouraged me with genuine concern’

      …calls other people stupid! You’d do well to reflect on JimPress’s words although you insulted him, for believing ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’ will end badly. BeautifulBurnout/CalamityJane has an ignoble history of using others to have a go at those she dislikes. If you weren’t useful to her as a means of putting down and criticising posters here, she’d barely tolerate you. This happened with some very vulnerable posters on YTU which Adhamnhan used to describe with great clarity. At some level, I suspect you know this already.

      That’s my last word on this.

    • I said that I wouldn’t speak about others not here, desde, but this is a good and useful point you highlight. It shows different ways of relating to others, different ways of being, perhaps. So, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad more than enough, officially a valid question.:)

      And I’m sure BB won’t mind if I mention her briefly. I mean really, what’s one more mention on such a mountain of mentions? ;).

      And how cool is that? She’s got it all, that girl…even the personalised hate site.

    • So, where were we?…ah yes, relationships, needs, wants, manipulations…that sort of thing, and the perception of others actions. So you see BB as a manipulator, and me as being manipulated, and that I’ll regret it, I’m being used…I see things differently, and the sort of manipulation and trickery that you’re alluding to I just don’t sense is a big part of who BB is, or anyone else on that site, if anything the opposite of manipulative, which is calm and clear.

      If anyone’s using anyone here, it will be me using them for my own needs. I’m selfish and self concerned and put myself first, and it often becomes clear that I’ve not respected boundaries. And my erratic behaviour can cause suspicion and concern, and so if anyone’s motivations have been under suspicion or are open to question on UT, then they are probably mine. I am being trusted, and have been given some space and time, and a certain leeway, and that’s that. I’m being trusted and given the benefit of doubt.

      Trust desde, it’s about trust…and this looks to be you attempting to undermine the connection between others again, break the trust between others. This tactic seems to be a favourite of yours and reminds me of similar behaviours from you recently…I’m finding your ways distasteful and unpleasant to be honest. When you make these sorts of accusations about a person, do you ever care about the consequences of you being wrong?

      I can only go by instinct, feeling…and I feel BB to be a positive and generous person with a positive motivation. She was welcoming and helpful when I needed it, which is when it matters, and because of this I’m her friend if she needs it…and that is that, it’s not complicated how much you try.
      But I’m feeling a little drained, and I suspect tuning into you is what’s draining me, a negative person with negative spin …though thanks for another demonstration of the dark ways…a good demonstration on how to suck out lights.

    • ‘So you see BB as a manipulator, and me as being manipulated, and that I’ll regret it, I’m being used…’

      No, that’s not how I see it. You’re playing a part and acting vulnerable which allows BeautifulBurnout to play the protecting role: you will run back to the UT and cry: ‘Those nasty people were horrible to me’, then she’ll come over all clucky mother hen. You’re both being manipulative for your own ends. Whether she knows who you really are, I cannot say. But hanging around people just because you share a dislike of others will leave you with a hollow, empty victory.

      You seem to crave the company of those you find negative, stupid and unlikeable rather than your generous, welcoming friends. Something for you to analyse perhaps.

      To bed now, work tomorrow.

    • ity

       /  July 6, 2015

      I thought you had a clue, but your last post shows you don’t seem to know me at all, and suggests that you don’t read my posts very well, and don’t know whats going on at all. Do you just guess? Grab anything you think will hurt and then lob it? It is looking that way. And certainly a situation I’m happy with…each attempt at an attack that is this vague and guessed gives information on you, and we’ve reached critical mass, I think.
      You stabbing in the dark here, your attacks are not close, and getting further away now. This indicates that I’ve overestimated your understanding. I think that means we’re done, but I’ll check back in, just because I’m nice…nighty night..

  14. brusselsexpats

     /  July 6, 2015

    Hi Jack – congratulations – you are definitely in for some sort of DM award…..

    • Jack Roth

       /  July 6, 2015

      Winding-up the right-wingers is its own reward, Bru. :-)

  15. JimPress

     /  July 6, 2015

    If it walks like Shazz, talks like Shazz and baits Jews like Shazz…

    • If it walks like a wet fish, talks like a wet fish, and sounds like a scratched and desperate old record…

    • JimFish or maybe, JimWetFish – it could catch on.

  16. Morning. I’ve had a day or two of dealing with personal issues through the medium of ranting.

    I must keep my postings brief. Priorities innit?

    I regret involving any others in my issues with here. I don’t intend to do so again.

    Regarding this site and myself…my number 1 issue has always been Sarah, those who mindlessly supported her while giving no reasonable defence, the issue of anti semitism and the spreading of hate and fear, and also issues of mental health. All else is froth.

    For myself a conversation/discussion/argument is unfinished. I shall not attempt to carry on the conversation here however, but shall attempt to do so else where, and with people who are honest in their methods of discussion and argument.

    The best solution, or rather the most ‘trouble free for all solution’, might be my own thread somewhere. That way I can be easily ignored, out of sight if you wish, and also will help prevent me getting sucked into pointless discussion.

    Regarding my issues with desdemoaner, these are not a big deal, are recent and to do with the handling of the Shazzbot/flo escapades, and nothing to do with her cif persona.

    I must be careful here, no point in wasting time in pointless wars is there, for anyone. A war or battle that does have a point, for myself at least, is the one to do with anti semitism, the use of language, mental health, and where these things intersect, or connect.

    It’s probably better if I stay away from here, and don’t really want to be here, even though I came here on my own volition, and I am fairly sure those here would prefer I wasn’t here, but as I have jumped in aggressively, I owe you all at least some right of reply. I will not comment on others, or on issues of no importance. I shall try and remain civil, though I admit this is not my strong point. so…

    • Jack Roth

       /  July 6, 2015

      Morning, ity.

    • …so, I’m hoping we can call this a good bye. To be rid of me is easy peasy, just ignore me. I’ve done what I wanted to do regarding this place, which for a large part was to come in and insult you all, call you names, give you the finger, and walk away.
      I don’t respect or like this place, and ditto for most who inhabit here, though there are occasional posters who I respect. I am not just trying to carry on a tirade here, but hope some indication of my motives etc has been given.
      Anyone wants to dismiss me as mad, bad, an arsehole, of course this is your right and feel free to do so, indeed this is how I have dismissed most of you lot, so fairs fair.

    • Morning jack. I have been resisting replying to you in kind, but refusing to do so is childish and churlish, and I said I would try and be civil, indeed must make more effort. I am a little unstable at the minute, though I am calming, but the oscillations can be seen in my behaviour here, as I go from aggressive, to conciliatory, and then back again to aggressive. This highlights a slight quandary for me, I do want peace for all, but seeing bullshit and spin triggers an anger, and I become slightly rabid.

      I’ve mentioned my black and white thinking yesterday, as an explanation for behaviour rather than an excuse for it, as I can be very…erm, stark, or harsh in my judgement of people, and I should admit to some projection, perhaps…I can see my way of dealing with issues could lead me to being very unfair on people who represent, or take on an oppositional role within said issues.. I am hypercritical, while being far from sweet myself, so I’m a hypocrite also. But my righteous anger rages at times, it cannot be denied, it seems.

  17. The fawning over the Royal baby just leaves me cold. There were Royal fans saying how ‘magical’ it was to stand in the crowd as Princess Charlotte was taken in to be Christened. I don’t think they could even see the baby let alone speak to the Royals and they’re never going to become friends. She’s no more or less precious than any other baby but why this adulation? I just don’t understand what the fans get out of these events.

    • Jack Roth

       /  July 6, 2015

      Lots of fun yesterday with my comment (suggesting that dear ‘princess’ Charlotte was just another benefit baby) on The Mail, Desde – it was removed, then reinstated over a dozen times (at one time it was the ‘best rated’ post).

      It currently stands at the third ‘best rated’ with over close on 4,000 ‘green arrows’* – maybe the worshipping of the scrounging windsors is coming to an end.

      *It also has 2,500 ‘red arrows’, helping towards my grand total of 630,000 reds. :-)

    • Paul

       /  July 6, 2015

      Bloody hell Jack,you don’t do things by halves..Keep up the good work :-)

      Desde- As a Republican i couldn’t agree with you more. :-)

    • Hi Jack,
      I’m curious, when you say you had it reinstated 12 times, do you have to email them each time?
      That’s dedication if so. ( I didn’t realise about the process until you mentioned it, I just assumed they were gone for good.).

      My best comment there had 800+ reds in the blink of an eye. Nearest rival wasn’t even into 3 figures , when they ‘disappeared’ it.

    • Jack Roth

       /  July 6, 2015

      Cheers, Paul – I do my best!

      Emma – ’do you have to email them each time?’

      It depends – when you get the first email from them (“due to the number of complains blah blah”) click on reply and ‘appeal’.

      From then on it’s a automated job – your post gets deleted, and automatically reinstated (you keep getting emails confirming this), but after its been deleted five times you have to appeal again.

      Incidentally – in the first instance, it only takes one complaint for the comment to be taken down (take no notice of all this ‘we have had a number of complaints’ rubbish)

      When its removed the second time, that took 5 complaints.

      When a ‘pre-moderated’ comment is removed, that took 10 complaints.

      ’That’s dedication if so.’

      Too right, I’m not going to let a bunch of right-wingers bully me off the site – I’ve seen dozens of them off over the years I’ve been on there.

      ‘My best comment there had 800+ reds in the blink of an eye’

      Keep up the Good Work. :-)

  18. As regards ity’s posts I can make a few points but am not going to answer everything – I don’t even understand what some of it’s about.

    If anyone has the time or inclination to check back, they’ll see it was the UT who have been doing the mental health labelling, for example, Montana telling Sara she was ‘seriously mentally ill’ and CalamityJane saying Bitey must have a personality disorder. Going back a long time, there were some very negative attitudes on display on the UT with regard to mental health but some of those posters may not even post there now.

    Everyone is less than decent at times, including UTers and YTUers. I had my fair share of detractors on YTU who didn’t hold back on their dislike of me or my posting especially if I criticised some of the untouchable posters. Fair enough, though some of it crossed the line and got personal. Many who ventured onto the latter as new posters were subjected to grilling about who they were or accused of being part of multiple posting. It was the earlier days of the UT, starting in 2009 that put me off some of them there when I discovered they were slagging off some individuals, mocking and ridiculing them and the aforementioned ignorance about mental health issues. This was long before this site existed. As regards YTU generally, it was the behaviour of some of those who mourn its passing who are partly responsible for getting it closed down.

    There’s no point in asking us about this site as it belongs to Bitey and others posting here just happened by accident and it could be stopped at any time.

  19. Good morning all.

    I read what you wrote Paul but was at a carnival yesterday and didn’t do any posting.

  20. brusselsexpats

     /  July 6, 2015

    Morning all,

    Had a very busy weekend and I tend not to be online if I’m not stuck in front of my computer (as at work ahem).

    Spent Saturday in Knokke and I think half of Flanders was there all bagging a sun lounger on the beach (myself included).

    Whether intentionally or not the sun seekers gave a two-fingered salute to ISIS and any sympathisers lurking in Belgium.

    It’s encouraging that despite the tragedy in Sousse, attacks in France and aborted attacks here, people will not be stopped from going about their normal lives.

    So up yours – you murdering scum.

  21. Paul

     /  July 6, 2015

    A man in London draped in an ISIS flag with a little girl on his shoulders waving an ISIS flag isn’t arrested because he’s not breaking the law.Fair enough because in a supposedly free democratic society freedom of speech and expression is important provided it doesn’t incite acts of violence etc.But given ISIS is responsible for the murder,torture and rape of thousands of mainly muslim men,women and children it’ll be interesting to see how british muslim leaders respond to this-if indeed they respond at all..

  22. Paul

     /  July 5, 2015

    Quiet here today.I seem to have been talking to myself

    Hope everyone’s enjoyed the weekend.


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