Watching the Untrusted Implode II

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Seal Pool, Cape Farewell most northerly point on South Island, New Zealand, June 2003

” An assault on an ideology is not merely different from a threat made to a person; it is the opposite of a threat made to a person. The whole end of liberal civilization is to substitute the criticism of ideas for assaults on people.” – Adam Gopnik

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There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 

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Why I am voting Leave the EU is now here

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I’ve posted Photographs 30  –  all of which have been displayed on the front page recently and are now all together for those who might have missed them first time round.

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End of You Tell Us – 28 January 2015

“Today is the last ideas thread. From tomorrow, we won’t be running these threads any more. We still really want your ideas for articles, but we think the best way to do that will be to have a dedicated email address for people to send in suggestions. That is being set up asap. The editor of Cif, Kira Cochrane, will be running a talking shop tomorrow to explain more, but when this thread closes tomorrow there won’t be a new one. I know this will be upsetting for some, but please bear with us while we make some new changes to the site.”

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 Today’s Music

Purcell – Dido & Aeneas – When I am laid in earth (Dido’s lament)

Tomaso VITALI : CIACONNA “Parte del Tomaso Vitalino” – Clematis – Stéphanie De Failly

 

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In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  – making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

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  1. You will know that I follow the Guardian comments section quite closely and noticed that when Corbyn surprisingly won the leadership election, his followers jam packed the early BTL comments. I assumed this was because Milne was getting an advanced warning of an article appearing and was able to notify the troops.

    More recently there seems to have been a change and both sides – pro and anti Corbyn seem to know when they’re going to be needed to fight the fight. Tonight I noticed that two of the stalwarts, no not MsLizzyprowhatever, but Thegreatronrafferty and Cherryredguitar were noticeable by their absence.

    Just saying.

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    • It’s surprising that TheGreatRonRafferty was absent from any debate – he’s normally in there immediately with the first comment and must be one of the most prolific Oif posters ever.

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  2. Interesting article from Rabbi Avraham Pinter of Hackney which includes his recollections of exchanges with local mp Diane Abbott who still won’t accept that anti-Semitism is a problem on the fringes of the Left and in the Labour Party.And is still clinging on to the belief that it’s the sole preserve of rightwing fascists.

    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/pinter-interview-1.433269

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  3. A group of professional bodies have written to the government warning them that the current sanctions regime at benefit offices is affecting mental health and could lead to a mental health crisis.

    Talk about stating the bleedin’ obvious.And why has it taken them so long to speak out.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefits-sanctions-letter-mental-health-crisis-british-psychological-society-a7600596.html

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    • Morning.

      The answer would be that they just don’t care. There has been no celebrity picking up on the issue of benefits not being paid to the sick and disabled despite this sanctioning having gone on for years, in the way that the refugees plight has been highlighted by actors and singers. The British people evidently have contempt for their own vulnerable and ill – until it happens to them. It has shown up a very ugly side of the people of this country in the silence that has surrounded the issue. Doctors, nurses and other health care professionals could have done a lot more too.

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  4. Afternoon all

    The healthcare professional working for Capital who was exposed in an undercover report for his abuse of PIP claimants and other malpractices is now playing ”victim”and claiming he’s being made a scapegoat. What a tosser !

    http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/pip-investigation-capita-made-me-a-scapegoat-says-disgraced-assessor/

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    • ps The Parliamentary Work and Pensions Committee is looking at the growing and widespread claims that healthcare professionals working for Atos,Capita and Maximus are fabricating their reports following the assessments they conduct for ESA and PIP on behalf of the DWP.

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    • pps Over the last 5 years 1600 nurses conducting assessments for ESA and PIP have been reported to the Nursing and Midwifery Council by claimants unhappy with the treatment they received.Don’t know how many doctors,paramedics ,occupational therapists and physiotherapists have also been reported to their respective bodies for their conduct.

      http://thirdforcenews.org.uk/tfn-news/new-information-reveals-huge-number-of-complaints-against-pip-fit-for-work

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      • It is startling to see the number of people on demonstrations against Trump here in Britain and how quickly they were organised compared to the protests about the way people with disabilities or who are sick are being treated and have been for years. It tends to be the claimants themselves and some supporters who attend their demonstrations which don’t attract anything like the numbers or interest that the anti-Trump ones do. Trump is an arsehole but he is still an elected politician of another country.

    • pps actually not sure whether that’s 1600 nurses who’ve been reported or 1600 complaints against nurses which isn’t necessarily the same thing.

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  5. There was a big crowd queuing outside WH Smith’s in town today and it was for a book signing by David Essex. I had to have a look and he still looks good and is evidently still very popular.

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  6. Sara

     /  February 26, 2017

    ‘Learning a modern language vs learning an ancient language.’

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  7. Sara

     /  February 26, 2017

    Via Nick Cohen‏ – ‘The most expensive kindergarten class in British political history (cont)

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  8. Sara

     /  February 25, 2017

    Damian Counsell‏
    [via MarvinPolitics ]

    The BBC on Muslim slavery: “Not so bad really”. FFS. http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml

    couldn’t get the entire thread – but comments pretty sum things up

    “Islam treated slaves as human beings as well as property” WELL THAT’S ALRIGHT THEN.

    “Unlike the Western slave trade, slavery in Islam was not wholly motivated by economics.” Nothing wrong with a bit of PROGRESSIVE slavery!

    “Some of [the women in sexual slavery] were able to achieve wealth and power.” This stuff is gobsmacking.

    Never, ever let anyone tell you that this kind of filthy apologetics is “on the fringe” of either the British establishment or modern Islam.

    also, the omissions here are just… the arab slavers decimating African kingdoms… the 10s of thousands of sthn europeans taken…
    from their coastal villages by ottoman pirates, the subjugation of hungary & balkans and the slave marts on the barbary coast.

    and let’s not forget the galley slaves (Xian & Turk), in conditions as barbaric as those in the atlantic trade. Fuck. Relativism.

    Can’t wait for the BBC remake of ‘Roots’..

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  9. lambda

     /  February 25, 2017

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  10. lambda

     /  February 25, 2017

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  11. This is the tree cathedral from above close by to where I walked today. Basically, it’s trees in the shape of a church and there’s also a green burial site there.

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  12. Sara

     /  February 25, 2017

    Lovely video for a great cause helping orphaned elephants in Kenya.

    ‘to mark the 40th anniversary of the world famous David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust (DSWT), journalist Nicky Campbell teamed up with The DSWT to release ‘Sacred Eyes’.

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    • Elephants are lovely – how can anyone be cruel to them? They have very co-operative communities, look after the babies together and feel pain when they lose one of their own.

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    • Sara

       /  February 25, 2017

      bloody hell – ‘the ‘restraining bag,’ or as it is sometimes affectionately called, ‘the burrito.’ It is essentially a full-body sized duffel bag that officers can stuff a perpetrator into and cart him off to jail like a piece of luggage.’

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      • It’s disgusting. And people needn’t think this won’t happen to them because they haven’t been officially labelled as mentally ill. As the article states, this is happening to people who haven’t bought a subway ticket, or who remonstrated with police officers – so basically, anyone could have this humiliation. I sometimes think that those who believe trouble with authorities won’t happen to them, think that they will be able to reason their way out of it and that essentially the police are reasonable. But it ain’t that way.

    • Sara

       /  February 25, 2017

      Very true – many people think trouble with authority won’t happen to them – they assume that police are always reasonable and that there’s ‘no smoke without fire’

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    • Hi Desde / Sara,

      From the article:

      The man restrained in the bag in the video posted in March allegedly failed to pay his subway fare, the Times reports, and he’s said to have became violent when officers tried to arrest him, flailing his arms, kicking, and spitting. He allegedly struck one officer in the head with his elbow and injured another.

      On my way to the airport on Wednesday the train stopped at a station for sometime before the driver announced that a disruptive and abusive passenger was refusing to leave the train and the transport police had been summoned, It them took almost half an hour before we moved off. Fortunately I’d left sufficient time before my flight but there were some seriously worried people racing away when we arrived at the airport.

      So Mace and the restraining bag seem preferable to the stun gun and the Colt 45. 🙂

      If you want to complain about the police in the UK you write to the Chief Constable when you’re guaranteed a response, so I’ve read. Statistically, arguing and abuse doesn’t work, but then humans are remarkably resilient when it comes to learning from past experience.

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    • Sara

       /  February 26, 2017

      Disagree Bth – he’s ‘said’ to have became violent when officers tried to arrest him, flailing his arms, kicking, and spitting. He allegedly struck one officer in the head with his elbow and injured another.

      I mean it’s not like police ever lie, suppress evidence, lose cctv footage, become extremly violent and escalate a solvable situation eh?

      Also from the article… The idea, as we’re told, is that the bag will protect police officers from seriously disturbed people, but apparently the definition of ’emotionally disturbed’ is so loose that it includes the most basic hopeless efforts of resisting arrest or actively protesting treatment by police, even for crimes as trivial as failure to pay for the subway.

      “Use of such restraint traumatizes a person in emotional distress and exacerbates the condition and experience of the crisis for the individual. It is a dehumanizing tactic, and promotes stigma against people with mental health issues.” Carla Rabinowitz, of Community Access

      In reality, however, this is yet another abuse in the long and growing list of dehumanizing measures being used by American law enforcement in the pursuit of exacting total government control over any beings who inhabit the physical space known as the United States of America. And people with mental health problems do have greater reason to be afraid of police as it is shockingly common for officers to use deadly force against the deaf, the autistic’

      I don’t know what people’s experiences of the police on here are – but I would take a guess.. that several, would disagree with your views on the police and cheery Chief Constables being accountable when their boys in blue are guilty of misconduct and supressing/fabricating evidence.

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      • Hi Sara,

        I’ve had plenty of disagreements with the forces of law and order in many countries, although not the USA, to understand that there’s a small chance that you’ll come up against one who’s not open to negotiation. But to build a case on someone who’s “flailing his arms, kicking, and spitting” and conclude…..:

        In reality, however, this is yet another abuse in the long and growing list of dehumanizing measures being used by American law enforcement in the pursuit of exacting total government control over any beings who inhabit the physical space known as the United States of America.

        ….. does seem to be stretching even the objectives of the Trump administration rather too far.

    • Sara

       /  February 26, 2017

      how can you say treating a human being like this is preferential ?

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    • Sara

       /  February 26, 2017

      there are around ten bloody cops holding down a cuffed taped up man and zipping him into a body bag – what a way to resolve a fare dodge..

      it’s degrading,humilating,unnecessary and fucking cruel!

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      • Totally agree. American cops are notoriously poorly trained in restraint and go way over the top in situations they don’t even try and defuse. British police aren’t angels and should be open to criticism but they could teach American officers a thing or two: several times British police have managed to disarm men armed with machetes who are high on drugs – without any injury to anyone. In the USA, they’d have been shot dead. Predictably, most force is used against ethnic minorities, those said to be mentally ill, the homeless and so on.

  13. Good morning all

    The Government plans to tighten up disability legislation after 2 successful appeals.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4258384/Ministers-table-laws-limit-disability-payments.html

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  14. Sara

     /  February 24, 2017

    shame on leicester city football club

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    • Hi Sara and everyone,

      Given the obscenity that is modern football financing I find it impossible to sympathise with anything untoward that happens in the beautiful game.

      I’ve just finished reading Philip Kerr’s football trilogy – January Window, False Nine and Hand of God. In one of them – I forget which, he refers to a writer called Philip Kerr’s who’s ghost written some books of actual players / managers. Anyway his knowledge of the game, from my limited knowledge of it, is encyclopaedic.

      I’m now on the second of Jo Nesbo’s novels featuring Norwegian detective Harry Hole and as I arrived back in China yesterday evening after a rather delayed and chaotic journey with bad weather, cancelled and delayed flights and mind numbingly incompetent staff, I hope to be working my way through his considerable collection over the coming months. And a new record for me having been told (according to my translator), to “fuck off foreigner” less than a day after arriving. 🙂

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      • JimPress

         /  February 27, 2017

        Translations can be imprecise. It’s possible that the ‘Fuck off Bitey’ meme has finally reached China and you’ve just been abused by the feckless Sino equivalent of the Hull Childman.

        Regarding flights, if you’re not spooked by disappearing planes and the heady whiff of nerve gas at KL International, Malaysia Airlines have some remarkably good business class deals between the UK and Asia. I’m heading back to the UK this week via KL on a fare that’s a third of the price of the lowest quote from Cathay. MA are also part of the One World group, so you can use the miles generated against future CX and BA flights.

      • Hi Jim,

        The English words “fuck off” seem to be widely recognised in China presumably because they appear quite frequently in popular films and if I knew the Mandarin for “you can take the boy out of the countryside……etc” I’m sure it would be far more galling to the recipient, especially at a crowded airline information desk where the crowd found the guy’s loss of face rather amusing.

        As for flights I always travel cattle class unless in an emergency which I’ve only had to do once when I had to fly from Hong Kong with three hours notice and had to buy a super economy ticket. This time I was with Tianjin Airlines on a one way ticket Gatwick to Chongqing for £190.

    • Sara

       /  February 26, 2017

      You’d have thought the players (one even..) would have thanked Ranieri for what he achieved… but nada de nada – bunch of tossers.. hopefully they’l get gordon strachan as their new manager

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  15. Sara

     /  February 24, 2017

    ‘Labour release handy table of what was to blame for defeat in Copeland.’

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  16. There is a protest coming up in March outside a conference of the DWP and organisations, like charities, which are in partnership with it forcing people with mental health problems into work which they can’t cope with. The protest is being organised by an umbrella group incorporating some of the major mental health charities and smaller outfits. It’s a chance to let these people know how unacceptable their actions are. When I get the details, I’ll post them.

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  17. Then there’s this –

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    • Sara

       /  February 25, 2017

      looking at that clip – led me here

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      • Ah, Crossroads, Captain Pugwash and How. Way back when, watching the opening credits to The Adventures of Black Beauty, I piped up ‘how do they get that horse to run across the field, I hope they’re not cruel to it?’ to which my darling brother replied: ‘They stick a picture of you there’. How my mother and sister laughed at that one.

  18. Good morning all, remember this?

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  19. Paul

     /  February 23, 2017

    Interesting programme on C4 tonight at 9.00pm .It’s by Trevor Phillips and is entitled ”Has Political Correctness Gone Mad ? ” .

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    • Tell us about it if you watch it as I won’t be staying up for it. Suppose you mean mad not Md!? Recovering after a meeting of the Patient Participation Group – damned people think they can avoid politics when talking about NHS cuts.

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