Watching the Untrusted Implode II

Kaili, Guizhou Province, China, city centre market, April 2107

Given the outbreak of inappropriate use of Hitler and Nazi comparisons in the Guardian I thought it might by appropriate to quote George Orwell from a longer article in:

POLITICO Magazine – Quit Comparing Trump to Hitler! –

In American politics everyone at some point gets compared to Der Fuhrer. Even Obama.  By Michael Lind  March 08, 2016

As early as 1944, in his essay “What is Fascism?” George Orwell concluded: “It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless … I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.”

The word “fascist” according to Orwell had been degraded “to the level of a swearword.”

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There’s an interesting article in the Guardian about the Mosuo minority nationality who live in the area of Lugu Lake

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” An assault on an ideology is not merely different from a threat made to a person; it is the opposite of a threat made to a person. The whole end of liberal civilization is to substitute the criticism of ideas for assaults on people.” – Adam Gopnik

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There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 

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Why I am voting Leave the EU is now here

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I’ve posted Photographs 30  –  all of which have been displayed on the front page recently and are now all together for those who might have missed them first time round.

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End of You Tell Us – 28 January 2015

“Today is the last ideas thread. From tomorrow, we won’t be running these threads any more. We still really want your ideas for articles, but we think the best way to do that will be to have a dedicated email address for people to send in suggestions. That is being set up asap. The editor of Cif, Kira Cochrane, will be running a talking shop tomorrow to explain more, but when this thread closes tomorrow there won’t be a new one. I know this will be upsetting for some, but please bear with us while we make some new changes to the site.”

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 Today’s Music

Steve Winwood “Back In the High Life Again”

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In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  – making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

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  1. lambda

     /  April 27, 2017

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  2. Sara

     /  April 27, 2017

    wondered if anyone knew much about carers allowance – why would anyone (other than a close family member/really./really good friend) work 35 hours a week for 65 £? I know most people don’t actually put in 35 hours .. and it’s a matter of ticking boxes.. but i don’t really get it?

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    • lambda

       /  April 27, 2017

      Sara:

      Even if someone doesn’t gain monetarily, to be in the numbers as a carer. A member of the collective is a carer and has been put in touch with others who can offer support and advice.

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      • Sara

         /  April 27, 2017

        what?

      • Jack Roth

         /  April 27, 2017

        ‘what?

        Think its a quote from Seven of Nine (she was always rambling on about ‘the collective’)

    • Hi Sara

      I think the automaton otherwise known as Lambda has blown a fuse.

      With regard to the carers allowance i can’t answer your question with any certainty .I’m guessing the DWP are looking to restrict the allowance to people who’re not working but are in effect caring full-time for someone they live with.

      The following link is to the DWP site outlining the criteria for claiming carers allowance.Apparently you can earn up to £116 a week and still be eligible for carers allowance provided you can prove you’re giving at least 35 hours a week care to someone who’s claiming certain disability benefits.That works out at 5 hours a day but i don’t know whether that includes time spent on things like shopping for someone.

      https://www.gov.uk/carers-allowance/overview

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      • Sara

         /  April 27, 2017

        hi paul, doesn’t have to be with someone you live with – anyone can apply for the allowance

  3. By saying that I don’t feel as strongly as you, I meant that Corbyn’s shortcomings don’t bother me to the extent that they bother you. I am far more concerned about the consequences of Corbyn not winning – health, education, social care, benefits, housing, libraries etc.

    I think you said that you weren’t going to vote but abstention will help the Conservatives win.

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    • Sorry above post should be at bottom of page and was addressed to Sara.

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      • Sara

         /  April 27, 2017

        i meant ‘to me’ – not ‘to be me’ – bloody everythings going pete tong on here today, ive posted 4 bloody links to malia so far …

    • Sara

       /  April 27, 2017

      hi desde – to be me, corbynista’s and the labour party are two different things, corbynistas are a cult – i won’t vote labour with corbyn as captain.. oh well sometimes you have to die to be reborn – that’s the state of the labour party

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  4. Sara

     /  April 27, 2017

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  5. Sara

     /  April 27, 2017

    Corbynism might not actually end – even if Labour loses the election

    https://theconversation.com/corbynism-might-not-actually-end-even-if-labour-loses-the-election-76724

    ‘A Labour former special adviser writes.

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  6. Sara

     /  April 27, 2017

    Bye Malia Bouattia

    Lking Shakira Martin

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  7. Sara

     /  April 26, 2017

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  8. Sara

     /  April 26, 2017

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  9. Paul

     /  April 26, 2017

    Seriously Sara,don’t know whether you want to go away on your own or with your partner but you can get some good last minute deals if you’re flexible.Just make sure you don’t end up in somewhere like Moldova.

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    • Sara

       /  April 26, 2017

      passports ran out now (and that had the wrong birth year in it anyway ha ha… doesn’t have to be abroard – just meant away …

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  10. Paul

     /  April 26, 2017

    We’re in better shape now but the whole flat actually needs a makeover and we can’t afford to do it all at once.

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    • Sara

       /  April 26, 2017

      would you miss london if you sold up and moved away and made a bit of money?

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      • Paul

         /  April 26, 2017

        Yes i would.I’ve spent my whole life in London.And i wouldn’t feel comfortable in an area which wasn’t ethnically mixed.One of the things you notice when you drive out of London or any big city in this country is just how White the population is.

        Don’t get me wrong i’m not racist against White people i’m just used to living in an area which is mixed.I like to blend in 🙂

      • Sara

         /  April 26, 2017

    • Sara

       /  April 26, 2017

      know what you mean

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    • Sara

       /  April 26, 2017

      Shakira Martin takes 56% of vote to unseat Bouattia, who has been accused of antisemitism in her one-year term

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    • Sara

       /  April 26, 2017

      ‘Bouattia became the first black Muslim woman to hold the office last year,’

      she’s not black what are they on about…

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    • Sara

       /  April 26, 2017

      well done Shakira

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  11. Sara

     /  April 26, 2017

    i’d like a holiday

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    • Paul

       /  April 26, 2017

      Me too but we need a new bathroom and we can’t have both.

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      • Sara

         /  April 26, 2017

        i’d like a bathroom with a heater – but can’t have both 😉

    • Sara

       /  April 26, 2017

      no i really would like a holiday though – haven’t been on one since the mid 90’s

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      • Paul

         /  April 26, 2017

        I’m serious as well Sara.We’ve had big financial problems over the years so holidays have kind of gone by the wayside.

    • Sara

       /  April 26, 2017

      still – it’s good to get away – maybe just for a weekend – feel like getting away

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      • Paul

         /  April 26, 2017

        Maybe Calamity will give us a timeshare on her holiday home in France ? Or maybe Pointy does B&B .I’m sure they’d welcome us with open arms. 🙂

      • Sara

         /  April 26, 2017

        oh yea …we could go air b&B (or whatever it’s called at pointys) yea… it’s that or the golden hind

    • Yes a holiday would be great. I fancy some sunshine, just sitting by a pool or on the beach, having a swim in a clean, warm sea. No traipsing around sightseeing or trekking up mountains. I offered a friend a free short holiday a few years back, paid for by money our mutual friend left me: singles holidays are often very expensive so it wasn’t so generous and having company would make it more enjoyable. She turned it down saying she couldn’t possibly accept being paid for. I don’t know, there’s no pleasing some people – turning down a free holiday.

      I do hate the booking process and the journey getting to a holiday destination especially being treated like a criminal at airports.

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      • Jack Roth

         /  April 26, 2017

        ‘being treated like a criminal at airports’

        Last time I came back from France on the ‘Ro-Ro’ ferry – the jackbooted ‘custom’ thugs at Dover pulled me over and stripped the car down (wheels off, door seals off, seats out – the full works). After two hours I started to complain about how long it was taking – one of them told me to sit down and shut-up or it would be me being ‘stripped searched’ next (I sat down and shut up).

      • Just awful Jack. Sorry to hear that.

      • Jack Roth

         /  April 26, 2017

        £300 worth of damage they caused to the car, Desde – never got any compensation.

        The time before that, I took the over-night ferry to Rotterdam – at customs the jack-booted little thug there said something to me (in Dutch), when I said I didn’t understand what he was saying, he suddenly pulled a gun on me, ordered me out of the car, and made me take a breathalyser test (I passed).

      • Sara

         /  April 26, 2017

        are we all avoiding thr jack comment then .. moving on ?

      • Not sure what you mean Sara.

      • Are you referring to the jack-boot reference Sara.?

        If so lots of people refer to jobsworths as ”Little Hitlers” so in that context i don’t think Jack’s use of ”jackboot” was offensive.

        I often refer to employers who have a captive workforce as having the whiphand.Doesn’t mean i’m in anyway negating the suffering of those Black slaves who were frequently lashed with a whip.

      • Sara

         /  April 26, 2017

        slaughtering of children comment paul and desde?

      • Sorry,i’ve lost you Sara ,Don’t know what you’re referring to.

      • Sara

         /  April 26, 2017

        you made a post about abortion and ireland – and jaxj posted ‘slaughtering of innocents; -what dont you get

      • I’m well aware of Jack’s views on abortion and Jack’s well aware of mine.We’ve agreed to disagree on the subject.

      • Jack Roth

         /  April 26, 2017

        ”Little Hitlers”

        Haven’t heard that one for a long time, Paul – it was a favourite of my Grandmothers when talking about the petty officials when she was ‘on the Parish’.

      • Sara

         /  April 26, 2017

        ok paul/bth – best not take him up on it then, eh .. seeing as you agree to diasgree

        not an echo chamver here – wheres bth by the way|| on the subject

      • Sara

         /  April 26, 2017

        surely you/desde/bth bru..dont forget jacks – famous 13 year raped by her step father should have been forced to give birth comment… am i in a parrallel universe>? – or should i just move along

      • Jack Roth

         /  April 26, 2017

        Incidently Paul – if you do go ahead with a new bathroom, highly recommend you consider underfloor heating. We recently remodelled our main bathroom and had it installed – marvellous! (And cheap to run).

      • Sara

         /  April 26, 2017

        you are such a troll jack – don’t understand why no one see it – if thats loyalty – fuck it

      • Sara

         /  April 26, 2017

        what about his views on all opponemts of corbyn being ‘red torys’ nothing to say? associating Jews and Zionism ( you slipping up bth – check jacks back catalogue) nazi analogies.. ooh .. no hall of shame

      • Hi Sara

        I’ve just checked back on the thread and even you didn’t respond to Jack’s post.So i’m not sure why you’re bringing this up now.

        You really can’t attack people for not posting what you want them to post.And you can’t expect people to have to justify themselves for not engaging with Jack in the way you do.

        One thing i like about this site is we don’t have any cliques or factions here.The regulars say what they think rather than automatically siding with their mates which is what happens on the CU and what happened back in the day on the UT..

        You should know by now that all the regulars here disagree with Jack’s views on abortion and if people choose not to keep making the same arguments with him that’s their perogative.It’s nothing to do with loyalty.

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      • Hi Jack

        There’s probably some covenant in our lease wwhich says we can’t do that even if we could afford to have it done.

      • Hi Sara

        Jack’s views on abortion are different to mine and he’s entitled to his opinion. I genuinely didn’t know what you were referring to as that was a few discussions back. We’ve gone over this before and Jack’s unlikely to change his mind and doesn’t have to.

        Paul – that’s a good point about posters siding with their friends rather than posting as individuals, as if publicly agreeing with those they’ve decided to be loyal to is more important than standing back and thinking about what their opinion really is. Some sites get completely bogged down in groupthink that they don’t see what’s going on in their midst.

      • He again Sara,

        On the political points you make, I don’t feel as strongly about Corbyn as you do and though I can see he has many failings, think he’s a damn sight lot better than the alternative. I don’t agree with Jack about everything he says but don’t think he’s a troll. Not voting for Corbyn means allowing this government to continue and things will get much, much worse with continued dismantling of health and other public services*. This Conservative government is far more radical than anything ever seen – far more right wing than Thatcher and possibly shocking to some old style Tories.

        *Having attended some​ of the consultation groups on the proposed STP changes to the NHS, it is clear that the cuts will lead to unnecessary deaths and suffering. It’s as simple as that, allowing Mrs May in again will lead to deaths.

      • PS

        This time last year I was waiting for cancer surgery with a date nearly 8 weeks from diagnosis. It felt like torture but, if and when this government is returned in June, patients will be wishing they only had that long to wait and it will be many months to treatment which will mean certain death and more advanced illness.

      • Regarding underfloor heating, it must have improved from the days when it nearly burnt the soles of your feet and vinyl records left on the floor used to melt.

    • Sara

       /  April 27, 2017

      Hi desde and paul – re jack – he just irritates me, i try to ignore the bait most of the time..but get sucked back in every so often, it’s not as though he responds when confronted – he either ignores the subject, changes it, does a runner or posts another snide wind up comment. I don’t think things are cliquey here either, but i do think he gets away with a lot , bth has a hall of shame on the side bar – i don’t see why jack isn’t up there – for some of the appalling analogies he’s made over time – and i do think he’s a troll or a wind up merchant.. whatever you want to call it.. as he post inflammatory comments to get a rise – like the comment about the child in south America who was raped by her step father – that wasn’t merely a pro life /anti abortion comment – it was designed to get a response and used the case of an abused girl to get it.
      he’s also made a string of Nazi analogies and offensive comments about dual loyality to Israel… he just friging annoys me most of the time… and every so often .. i seem to go off on one.

      hi desde re corbyn – i do feel strongly as the man signals the death of the labour party for the foreseeable, as far as im concerned any vote for labour is now an endorsement of corbyn as it’s leader, ( though i do understand and respect people here’s reasoning for putting the labour x in the box come June, as pauls mentions it’s done with no great enthusiasm) but the purpose of this election is not to decide who will win… but how much may will win by… that’s how bad it is.

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