Watching the Untrusted Implode II

 

Nepal above 6000 metres, November 2000

Corbyn supporters who do hate their country?

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Given the outbreak of inappropriate use of Hitler and Nazi comparisons in the Guardian I thought it might by appropriate to quote George Orwell from a longer article in:

POLITICO Magazine – Quit Comparing Trump to Hitler! –

In American politics everyone at some point gets compared to Der Fuhrer. Even Obama.  By Michael Lind  March 08, 2016

As early as 1944, in his essay “What is Fascism?” George Orwell concluded: “It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless … I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.”

The word “fascist” according to Orwell had been degraded “to the level of a swearword.”

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” An assault on an ideology is not merely different from a threat made to a person; it is the opposite of a threat made to a person. The whole end of liberal civilization is to substitute the criticism of ideas for assaults on people.” – Adam Gopnik

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There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 

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Why I am voting Leave the EU is now here

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I’ve posted Photographs 30  –  all of which have been displayed on the front page recently and are now all together for those who might have missed them first time round.

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End of You Tell Us – 28 January 2015

“Today is the last ideas thread. From tomorrow, we won’t be running these threads any more. We still really want your ideas for articles, but we think the best way to do that will be to have a dedicated email address for people to send in suggestions. That is being set up asap. The editor of Cif, Kira Cochrane, will be running a talking shop tomorrow to explain more, but when this thread closes tomorrow there won’t be a new one. I know this will be upsetting for some, but please bear with us while we make some new changes to the site.”

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 Today’s Music

Steve Winwood “Back In the High Life Again”

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In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  – making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

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  1. The National Secular Society has backed calls from abuse survivors for Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, to face police investigation over his role in the cover-up of sexual abuse in the Church of England.

    In a letter to The Times, survivors of abuse by Bishop Peter Ball, and lawyers representing many of Ball’s survivors, say police must investigate whether Carey’s deliberate concealment of evidence constitutes a criminal offence.

    Lord Carey also faces calls to forfeit his right to sit in the House of Lords. “It is unacceptable that someone who was involved in concealing evidence of criminality should have a role in making laws for others”, says the letter.

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  2. Jack Roth

     /  June 28, 2017

    ‘no-ones saying the Labour Party is riddled with antisemitism’

    The way Sara tells it the Labour Party has the ovens on order ready to fire up on the morning that Mr. Corbyn moves into Number Ten.

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  3. Paul

     /  June 28, 2017

    A documentary about the hot summer of 1976.

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  4. sara

     /  June 27, 2017

    J-TV – new half hour documentary about the rise of anti-Semitism in the UK’s Labour Party under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn. The film gives a voice to those who felt ignored in Chakrabarti Report on anti-Semitism. Presented by Sociology Lecturer of Goldsmiths University – David Hirsh

    Whitewashed

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    • Jack Roth

       /  June 28, 2017

      There is no ‘rise of anti-Semitism in the UK’s Labour Party’, that’s all in your sub-standard head dear – Labour has a ‘Friends of Israel’ branch.

      Nothing to say about your beloved tories getting into bed with a bunch of terrorists and bunging them a few billion, Sara? Still OK with the tories killing the sick and disabled by the thousands – no problems there?

      You really are a sickening hypocrite.

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      • Paul

         /  June 28, 2017

        Jack

        You really are allowing your personal beef with Sara to cloud your judgement.

        The problem of antisemitism in the Labour Party is coming from both Hard Left and Muslim activists. It’s not coming from the Centre and Right of the Labour Party so much where you’ll find most members of Labour’s ”Friends Of Israel have their politics.

        Unless you believe all Jews suffer from some sort of collective paranoa you should accept and respect the fact that British Jews from right across the political sphere as well as Jewish religious and community leaders actually share Sara’s -and mybelief that there is antisemitism within the Labour Party,that Jeremy Corbyn has associated himself with blatantly antisemitic factions like Hamas and Hezbollah and the Chakrabarti Report on the subject was a whitewash.

        You need to stop goading Sara on this particular subject and accept that she’s clearly more in touch with the feelings of British Jewry than you are.

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    • Paul

       /  June 28, 2017

      Thanks for posting that link Sara.

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      • Paul

         /  June 28, 2017

        The following link addresses the failure of the Labour Party to address Muslim antisemitism in this country which is a growing problem alongside the antisemitism of some factions within the Hard Left.

        The likes of Calamity and Pointy would no doubt accuse me of being Islamophobic for simply raising this.I hope that’s not a view that you’ll take Jack.

        http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.717851

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        • Paul

           /  June 28, 2017

          Diane Abbott sees antisemitism as problem of the Far Right and refuses to acknowledge its existance in the Labour Party.

          Abbott isn’t an antisemite herself but she’s clearly alienated many of her Jewish constituents over this issue.In fact Jewish religious leaders in Hackney are on record as saying she simply doesn’t understand antisemitism.

          What i find extraordinary is that Abbott seems to be in denial about what’s going on in her own backyard where attacks on Jewish people and property are on the increase and are not soley coming from members of the Far Right.

          https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/diane-abbott-under-attack-in-hackney-over-labour-s-antisemitism-record-1.438758

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          • Paul

             /  June 28, 2017

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            • Paul

               /  June 28, 2017

              ps no-ones saying the Labour Party is riddled with antisemitism.However there is a problem,it’s a growing problem and it needs to be stamped out whether it comes from either Hard Left activists,student activists , Muslim activists or those who’re all three.

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  5. Paul

     /  June 27, 2017

    Afternoon all

    No one in the media has given us any idea how many people survived the Grenfell Tower fire.And more people are now questioning whether the death toll was far more than the 79 that has been claimed.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/grenfell-tower-death-toll-may-have-been-covered-up-to-stop-a-riot-a3573651.html

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    • sara

       /  June 27, 2017

      arn’t they saying the full number might never been known – as extremley difficult to identify charred remains of bodies and also it seems a number of places were sub let and some not coming forward – how would the media know the full extent of deaths under such horrific circumstances

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      • Paul

         /  June 28, 2017

        how would the media know the full extent of deaths under such horrific circumstances

        No one knows for sure how many people were in the block although a common estimate has been between 500-600.people.

        Some of the survivors may have been illegal migrants so may have disappeared.However to my knowledge the media hasn’t yet given a figure of how many survivors are known.They’ve given a figure of 79 fatalities but whilst they’ll never know the exact number they should know by now whether that’s a serious underestimate or not.

        Given that some clearly believe the death toll is much higher the media could get some idea by adding the number of fatalities to the number of known survivors to see how that squares with the 500-600 people thought to have been in the building.

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    • sara

       /  June 27, 2017

      Just been reading via Beth Rigby‏/Peter Thompson

      ‘Just to be clear – the cladding that’s failed safety tests on 95 tower blocs, has been put up since 2000.’

      also ‘Labour minister had this in 1999. Had they acted then these panels would not have passed fire tests’

      https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmenvtra/109/10907.htm
      Sadly no action was taken

      Not seen any coverage on why these improvements to fire testing were not implemented back in 1999

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  6. sara

     /  June 27, 2017

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