Watching the Untrusted Implode III


The Old Pier Brighton March 2008

Watching the Untrusted Implode III


“There could be a smugness to irony … You woke up one morning and no longer knew if your tongue was in your cheek; and even if it was, whether that mattered any more … ”

Julian Barnes – The Noise of Time


Britain’s middle-class Brexit Anxiety Disorder

For Britain’s pro-European middle classes, Brexit is akin to a psychological trauma which has left many unable to behave rationally, according to two leading experts. Far from being hyper-rational observers concerned only with what is economically sensible, many have morphed into the “Remainiacs” of Brexiteer disdain.

They are acting no differently to what psychologists would expect from those suffering from chronic anxiety caused by loss of control and insecurity, Dr. Philip Corr, professor of psychology and behavioral economics at the University of London, and Dr. Simon Stuart, a clinical psychologist, told POLITICO.


From the Observer:

Legal aid cuts, and rise in digital evidence and sexual abuse cases affecting profession, says CBA

The Observer 6 May 2018 reports that Self-employed barristers with a tendency to take on whatever work came their way could end up handling back-to-back cases involving allegations of a serious sexual nature for months.

Is this any surprise given this sample?

BeautifulBurnout – calling Bitey a paedophile; – frankly, it is fair comment

BeautifulBurnout is Judge Anthony Pitt also a paedophile?

HankScorpio, BeautifulBurnout, Backtothepoint and Paedophilia

How False Accusations by the Untrusteds have allowed the guilty to avoid detection

BeautifulBurnout and Backtothepoint – 7/7 London Transport Truther Conspirators


” An assault on an ideology is not merely different from a threat made to a person; it is the opposite of a threat made to a person. The whole end of liberal civilization is to substitute the criticism of ideas for assaults on people.” – Adam Gopnik


There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth.

John Kenneth Galbraith


Welcome to The Real Untrusted

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“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 


Why I would have voted to Leave the EU is now here


I’ve posted Photographs 30  –  all of which have been displayed on the front page recently and are now all together for those who might have missed them first time round.


 Today’s Music

Will Butterworth Trio – Hereafter

In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  – making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

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  1. pbj2

     /  July 21, 2019

    Jeremy Corbyn accepts there’s a problem of antisemitism in the Labour Party and apologizes for the hurt it has caused Jewish people and for the iineffectual way it’s hitherto been handled.He does however imply that it’s a relatively minor problem -something the EHRC may or may not agree with when it published its findings.

  2. pbj2

     /  July 21, 2019

    In other news there’ve been more mass protests in Hong Kong against the controversial extradition bill.

  3. brusselsexpats

     /  July 20, 2019

    There’s a rumour that David Davis would be brought in as Foreign Secretary, possibly the only politician who is more incompetent than Johnson.

    The Laurel and Hardy of Brexit. I can just visualise the expression on Barnier’s face when he sees that pair back in Brussels.

  4. brusselsexpats

     /  July 20, 2019

    Evening all,

    I’m honestly not sure that I believe opinion polls. Often they can be manipulated so that people will be put off voting for one particular party.

    In 2017 the opinion polls with one exception, overwhelmingly said that Theresa May would have a massive victory. This she wanted – to have leverage on Brexit.

    But the GE wasn’t about Brexit, but about the way domestic issues were being run. The only time Brexit would become the sole issue is in a second referendum.

    The Tories were hammered in the recent local elections and in the EP elections. Labour didn’t do particularly well but it still did better than the Tories.

    A GE is more likely to produce another hung parliament, perhaps with the LibDems playing Kingmaker. The Brexit party, with no manifesto, has nothing to offer the electorate.

  5. YouGov

    Jeremy Corbyn

    The results make grim reading for Labour supporters, highlighting as they do the extent to which Jeremy Corbyn has lost the confidence of those who wanted to see his party take power in 2017.

    Only a third (35%) of 2017 Labour voters want to see Corbyn running the country, with 26% wanting to see him managing Brexit. Just 22% want to see him do both. An astounding 42% of those who backed Corbyn’s party just two years ago say they don’t want him handling either responsibility.

    Figures are rosier among those that say they would vote Labour in an upcoming General Election. Six in ten (62%) would want to see Corbyn running the country, and 47% want to see him in charge of Brexit, while 44% want him running both.

    While Boris Johnson largely has the confidence of Leave voters, Remain voters certainly don’t see the Labour leader as a desirable alternative on Brexit. Just 22% said they’d be happy to see him managing the UK’s withdrawal from the EU, although still higher than Johnson’s 10%.

  6. The Guardian ends its latest editorial on China with:

    The time to speak up arrived long ago. Countries should be shouting about this from the rooftops.

    While all the time denying its readers the opportunity to express their own views on the matter.

  7. In a Guardian article, Ursula von der Leyen claimed a hard Brexit would be a massive blow for both sides. It also noted:

    In an effort to win votes from Green MEPs, Von der Leyen pledged to make fighting the climate crisis a priority under her presidency.

    As a perceptive poster pointed out recently, Ursula von der Leyen with seven children is a major part of that climate crisis, although the irony is probably lost on her now her nose is buried so deep in the European Commission’s trough.

  8. Jack Roth

     /  July 16, 2019

    ‘Let’s see what the EHRC has to say when it publishes its findings’

    Another bunch of self-serving lets-not-upset-the-apple-cart cartel – wonder what their ‘findings’ will offer.

  9. Jack Roth

     /  July 16, 2019

    So this this man insists he’s the father – in that case, who is the child’s mother?

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    • And some people wonder why so many young people are facing serious psychological problems over identity, self-worth, sexuality and so on.

      • Jack Roth

         /  July 18, 2019

        Could not agree more. When your father is also your mother (and the law states that is a fact) one can have sympathies with the childs confusion.

  10. Jack Roth

     /  July 16, 2019

    ‘Labour peers tell Corbyn: you have failed test of leadership’

    ‘Over 60 party members in Lords take out advert attacking leader over antisemitism’

    Red tories and Briaties to a man/woman – time for them all to show their true colours and cross the floor.

  11. Alastair Campbell, the man who spun the Iraq War to the British public writes in today’s Guardian

    A confession: I tend not to read the online comments about anything I write for the Guardian.

    Hardly surprising from the delicate flower, but not as surprising as those who at one time saw him as Blair’s war mongering henchman, who now see him as the saviour of the remain cause.

    • Jack Roth

       /  July 16, 2019

      ‘A confession: I tend not to read the online comments about anything I write for the Guardian.’

      Translation –

      I always read the online comments about anything I write for the Guardian.

      • Nice one Jack – he probably has a team of people reading and writing replies for him.

        There was a guy on CiF who won the poster of the year award once about whom it was suggested he was in fact several individuals all writing under the same sign on. Now someone with a better memory that mine help me out with a name.

  12. brusselsexpats

     /  July 16, 2019

    Morning all,

    I notice the Tory press are keeping pretty quiet about Trump’s latest outburst. I can imagine him back in the Thirties, standing next to Hitler and praising him to the skies.
    What a creep.

  13. Jack Roth

     /  July 15, 2019

    ‘Four senior peers wrote to Corbyn on Monday with an offer to establish a panel to review the allegations of former party staffers made on Panorama and to “provide advice and support on how a properly independent complaints process could be set up and run”’

    The peers – Angela Smith, the party’s leader in the Lords, her deputy, Dianne Hayter, the chairman of the peers’ group, Toby Harris, and Tommy McAvoy, the chief whip

    What a kind offer from these Blairites and ‘Friends of Israel’ – pretty sure we can expect an impartial ‘review’ from them.

    • pbj2

       /  July 15, 2019

      I take it you still don’t recognize that antisemitism is an unresolved problem in the Corbynista wing of the Labour Party.Let’s see what the EHRC comes up with following their investigation.

      • Jack Roth

         /  July 16, 2019

        ’Corbynista’ – it appears that somebody has been reading The Mail a tad too much.

        I suspect that anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is no greater (or less) than it was under Mr Miliband’s tenure.

        After the failure of the far right, Blairites, and red-tories to brand Mr Corbyn as a Czech/Russian-spy-Hamas-infiltrator-IRA-deep-cover-operative, they now see this as their last chance smear – only a blinkered fool refuses to see this.

        Regrettably, Anti-Semitism (like racism) is to found in any organisation – and will always be with us.

        • pbj2

           /  July 16, 2019

          ’Corbynista’ – it appears that somebody has been reading The Mail a tad too much.

          That’s a cheap shot although i shouldn’t be surprised by it.

          Anti-semitism has always festered on the fringes of the left and it was the election of your hero Jez as leader that brought it into the mainstream of the Labour Party.

          Anyway i repeat what i said upthread.Let’s see what the EHRC has to say when it publishes its findings.

  14. brusselsexpats

     /  July 12, 2019

    Hi Paul,

    Wait till Act II of the Brexit soap opera unfolds. It will be interesting to see how the Tories react when it becomes apparent that Boris can’t deliver.
    A second referendum has to be on the cards in the even of no-deal.

    • pbj2

       /  July 15, 2019

      Hi Bru

      If BoJo is our next PM he may well try and force through a no-deal Brexit on the 31 October 2019 even though the majority of public opinion want a second referendum.

  15. brusselsexpats

     /  July 11, 2019

    Afternoon all,

    Hi Paul – I do get the feeling that politics in the UK is washed up and needs a whole raft of younger, more able MPs.

    Having said that, I’m so looking forward to Boris falling flat on his face with Brexit. The man is an idiot who has fooled everyone into thinking he can take on Brussels, well certainly the sclerotic Tory members anyway. White, male, affluent and stuck in the tail end of the British Empire.

    The right-wing papers will need plenty of Valium handy when Johnson goes the same way as May.

    • pbj2

       /  July 12, 2019

      Hi Bru

      The current British political class is certainly jaded and ineffectual.Young people seem to be happy to engage in single issue politics but less so with the main parties.

      Jeremy Corbyn’s election as Labour Party leader led to a surge in Labour Party membership although i’m not sure how many were largely middle class students attracted by his promises on tuition fees.

      Certainly the majority of young adults are pro EU so won’t be impressed by Corbyn’s dithering on the issue.And increasingly working class people are disengaging from the political process which of course leaves a vacuum which the extremists will only be happy to fill if given the chance.

      Sorry to sound like a prophet of doom ‘ n’ gloom but i don’t think i’ve ever felt as pessimistic about this country’s future as i do now.

  16. pbj2

     /  July 11, 2019

    I don’t know if anyone saw Panorama’s earlier take on antisemitism in the Labour Party.Certainly it’s given the Corbynistas a collective attack of the vapors with them accusing the BBC producers of smears etc etc.And of course blaming opportunistic tories and blairites for stirring up something they believe to be not a problem.

    However a number of former members of Labour’s Disputes Office are now on record as saying the Labour Leader’s Office has tried to water down allegations of antisemitism therefore trying to impact on what was and is supposed to be a a fair and independent process.The Chakrabarti Report was treated with the contempt it deserved.Including recognizing its failure to acknowledge Jeremy Corbyn’s past association with known antisemites.And there was recognition that some of the surge in Labour Party membership following Corbyn’s election as Labour Party leader may have included those whose pro Palestinian/anti Israel stance manifested itself in antisemitism.There was no mention however of the growing problem of Muslim antisemitism in the UK and the fact that some of the attempts of the Left to attract and maintain the support of Muslim voters in some constituencies have including expressing views which could be interpreted as being antisemitic as well as being anti-israel.

    I refuse to accept that the wide cross section of Jewish opinion accusing Jeremy Corbyn of bringing leftwing antisemitism into the mainstream with his election as Labour Party leader is something that could be dismissed as being based on a misunderstanding or as an attempt to smear Corbyn.I don’t think the problem’s endemic in the Labour Party but i think it’s big enough to be taken seriously.And for all his platitudes i don’t think either Corbyn or his politcial allies have taken it anywhere near as seriously as they should have don’t.And for that they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.


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