Watching the Untrusted Implode III

Antique shop, Quanzhou, Fujian Province, China, April 2018

Watching the Untrusted Implode III

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Britain’s middle-class Brexit Anxiety Disorder

For Britain’s pro-European middle classes, Brexit is akin to a psychological trauma which has left many unable to behave rationally, according to two leading experts. Far from being hyper-rational observers concerned only with what is economically sensible, many have morphed into the “Remainiacs” of Brexiteer disdain.

They are acting no differently to what psychologists would expect from those suffering from chronic anxiety caused by loss of control and insecurity, Dr. Philip Corr, professor of psychology and behavioral economics at the University of London, and Dr. Simon Stuart, a clinical psychologist, told POLITICO.

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From the Observer:

Legal aid cuts, and rise in digital evidence and sexual abuse cases affecting profession, says CBA

The Observer 6 May 2018 reports that Self-employed barristers with a tendency to take on whatever work came their way could end up handling back-to-back cases involving allegations of a serious sexual nature for months.

Is this any surprise given this sample?

BeautifulBurnout – calling Bitey a paedophile; – frankly, it is fair comment

BeautifulBurnout is Judge Anthony Pitt also a paedophile?

HankScorpio, BeautifulBurnout, Backtothepoint and Paedophilia

How False Accusations by the Untrusteds have allowed the guilty to avoid detection

BeautifulBurnout and Backtothepoint – 7/7 London Transport Truther Conspirators

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” An assault on an ideology is not merely different from a threat made to a person; it is the opposite of a threat made to a person. The whole end of liberal civilization is to substitute the criticism of ideas for assaults on people.” – Adam Gopnik

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There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 

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Why I would have voted to Leave the EU is now here

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I’ve posted Photographs 30  –  all of which have been displayed on the front page recently and are now all together for those who might have missed them first time round.

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 Today’s Music

Troyka – Arcades


In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  – making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

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  1. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    I’d better have something of an early night. Two nights with four hours broken sleep……I’m in an insomniac phase.

    Still have got the latest book for our book club meeting. In Europe’s Shadow about Romania both before, during and after communism. Extremely interesting.

    It’s incredible how such a rust bucket economy could come up so quickly once it got into the EU. Not everything is up and running yet but it’s light years ahead of Budapest. Beautiful country too and I loved the people.

    NN all…..

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    • pbj2

       /  September 18, 2018

      Problem with Romania,as far as i understand it,is so many of it’s young skilled people are migrating to other countries in the EU including the UK.In fact births to Romanian born mothers in this country are steadily increasing.

      Romania also has poor reputation for the way it treats its large Roma population and many of them are migrating because of the persecution they face.And then of course the complicity of Romania in the Holocaust and it’s proactive role in murdering Jews in the areas it annexed and in Odessa is something it’s failed to come to terms with.

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  2. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    My one and only memory of Blackpool is being taken to see the lights on a freezing evening at the end of November. My mother took sick with the cold and her lips turned blue and we had to get into a café and ply her with hot drinks to bring her round. She was OK after a while but we didn’t hang around.

    There’s something very dismal about seaside resorts in Northern Europe in the winter.

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    • There’s something dismal about some English seaside resorts in the summer. Many of these towns and villages are very run down with little industry and people having been dumped there from other areas: mostly people with hard drug, alcohol and mental health issues. Cornwall is poor – outside the tourist areas some of the more inland towns are desperate places. Destined to be poorer after Brexit.

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  3. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    Desde,

    Yes Greece is getting too impoverished to stay there. There’s no future apparently and it seems a lot of people are leaving.

    It’s a great pity. It’s one thing to go back of your own free will – another to be forced back by circumstance but I expect it’s for the best.

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  4. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    Honestly Paul, they won’t get the better of me. I just find it really weird. Some people really do need to get a life.

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  5. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    It’s so bizarre as I haven’t posted on the Guardian for yonks and the one time I do I get personal insults for an inoffensive post directed at a former colleague.

    I’m wondering if it isn’t a couple of old phantoms rearing their ugly mugs from years back……

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    • pbj2

       /  September 18, 2018

      I know it’s a lot easier said than done Bru but sometimes the best thing to do with trolls is ignore them.And if Mavis and Melissa have reincarnated themselves what does it say about them if they’re still trying to get your attention after all these years ?.

      Back in the old days when cif was a bit like the ”wild west” you had a reputation as being a poster who was pretty bullet-proof but would give as good as she got if boxed into a corner.So whatever you choose to do i’m sure they’ll never get the better of you.

      The posters that get me are the ones i thought i got on with only to have them turn on me.There’s a couple of them over on the CU.But it’s not something i dwell on too much and you mustn’t dwell on whoever’s goading you either.In fact maybe you should wind them up further by giving them even more of an account of your social diary. 🙂

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      • There’s quite a lot of ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’ rather than genuine affection on the CU.

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        • pbj2

           /  September 18, 2018

          Hi Desde

          If you ever want your positing rights restored on the CU i’m happy to ask on your behalf.

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          • Thanks Paul. It’s not a good idea to bring that up there. They didn’t have the manners then to warn me, tell me why or discuss it on the site so they won’t now.

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    • It might be old posters just waiting for the chance to have a go. They’ll always do it. It is odd after so long – perhaps they lie in wait for certain comments.

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  6. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    I do hope Kiz will be OK once she returns to Blackpool after so many years in Greece. That’s a real cold shower.

    I’ve known so many people return to the UK after decades abroad only to find it really is another country.

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    • pbj2

       /  September 18, 2018

      Apparently Blackpool is on top of a huge shale gas field.So if they start drilling and it triggers off an earthquake the town might not be there when Kiz returns. 🙂

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    • Oh, she’s returning to Britain? It probably will be a culture shock.

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  7. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    The students probably stuffed their pockets with apples etc.

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  8. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    Desde,

    Yes when I was still living in Kent I knew a number of housewives (women often stayed at home those days) who went fruit picking during the summer months. Students also used to do this – exchange students from France etc. as well.

    It was good pin money.

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  9. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    Aw thanks guys.

    I’ve just been listening to a youtube clip of Kiri Te Kanawa singing possibly her most famous aria from Mozart’s Marriage of Figaro “Porgi Amor”. It was the role of the Countess that shot her to international stardom.

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  10. pbj2

     /  September 18, 2018

    Something to cheer up our Bru.

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  11. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    So EU citizens are not to be given preferential treatment when applying to work in Britain.

    I really hope that all the EU citizens already living in the UK up sticks and tell the British government where to stick their (often rubbish) jobs. Let the sons/daughters/grandchildren of the Brexit brigade do the scrubbing out in hospitals or the fruit picking in season.

    And let the doctors and nurses working in the overstretched conditions of the NHS or the scientists working on important research, find better employment in Berlin or Paris.

    (I’m on the warpath here – better go and have dinner).

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    • Your comment about fruit picking reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend last week after saying: ‘Who used to pick the fruit and veg before 2004?’ She said she was a youngish, stay at home mother in the late 70s to mid 80s in Cambridgeshire. Every year at certain times, all the mums and housewifes used to go off to the fields and sometimes animal sheds – my friend stayed at home and picked up the other women’s children from school. That worked well as the women weren’t the main breadwinners and so didn’t risk coming off social security benefits. I think that more mothers used to stay at home then.

      As I said before, my brother and elder sister used to pick veg in the holidays – the farm was en route to my father’s work so he could drop them off and collect them. They said there were a lot of travellers working in the fields then and they were very good, fast workers. My impression is that travellers don’t do fruit and veg picking now and haven’t for some time, preferring building and gardening work. Students don’t seem to work on farms much either

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  12. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    Evening all

    Thanks Paul – for me the real problem is all that class faffing around is alien to Belgium, especially to the Flemish. Admittedly the old school French-speaking aristocracy is still hide bound but nobody takes any notice of them nowadays.

    The thing is that I know Emma Beddington – I worked with her for about four years in Brussels and our offices were just down the corridor from each other. She is Oxford educated and made a bit of a mess of her legal career which she freely admits in the memoir book she wrote not long ago “We’ll always have Paris”.

    All her life she has wanted to become French, living in Paris, marrying a Frenchman, then coming to Brussels when a short stint in London didn’t work out.

    So when she wrote about her difficulties making friends on returning to live in her native Yorkshire, I posted the tongue-in-cheek Sartre comment about “hell being other people” – in French. Frankly hell is often other posters on the Guardian.

    So I was accused of being pretentious and like one of the people Sartre was talking about. Then another twit pops up saying he’s glad I’m not a friend of his with my misogynist views and I was quoting a tired phrase that was tripe.

    The first post had a group of cheerleaders who liked it. I did reply to both posters very strongly but not insultingly and I did comment to the second that “I could assure him with his Little Englander attitude he would be the last person I would call a friend.”

    I have no idea why Emma has decided to return ot Yorkshire – maybe family matters – but her husband is still working in Brussels so it’s not ideal.

    Yorkshire is very beautiful I know, but I can say hand on heart (and knowing what happened to one of my best friends who returned to Cambridge after 20 years in Brussels) that Emma is welcome to the insular mindset she is likely to find there. I’m afraid that the further North you go in Britain, the more likely it is that you will come up against the brick wall of the hardline Brexit mentality. In her place I would have opted for London. I can’t see the Yorkshire idyll lasting after so many years abroad.

    London, or the South close to the capital, are the only places I could contemplate living in Britain.

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    • pbj2

       /  September 18, 2018

      You are who you are Bru and to hell with what your detractors think. 🙂

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    • Hi Bruss

      “saying he’s glad I’m not a friend of his with my misogynist views”

      What a bizarre thing to say.

      I have always thought that your detractors picked on your vulnerability – and that is merely being someone who likes opera, ballet and nice clothes. Not that I mean ‘vulnerability’ in the usual sense but something that can be niggled away at to provoke. That’s all it takes when others are determined to find something to pick on. It’s ludicrous as most of those who pick on you enjoy those same things in their lives. They tried to make out that, if you enjoy some of the finer things in life then you can’t care about others.

      On the Guardian site, posters report those whose political views they don’t like or who they have taken a dislike to. Meanwhile, posters get away with threats and abuse. I can’t remember the last time I reported a comment and never would again and wouldn’t bother challenging any decision to delete one of mine.

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    • I moved to Leeds in 1992 in a well-thought out move and in a very positive frame of mind. Didn’t last long. I would often get treated to a rant like ‘we’re friendly up here not like you southerners…’. They’d walk away and I”d realise that I’d never been invited into their home once and, despite inviting them to mine, they’d never been in my home. As a stranger who’d moved a long way, I went out of my way to be friendly and to try to get to know new people but it was often not welcomed. Living in an all women housing association block didn’t offer much friendship either: many women were in conflict with each other and didn’t go out socially. I kept my thoughts about Yorkshire to myself. However, on a course, a man who was a local said: ‘Leeds must be one of the unfriendliest places: you’ve known someone for years and realise you’ve never been invited to their home once…’ Almost verbatim as to my thoughts. Perhaps the Yorkshire villages are friendlier. Leeds was a lonely place for me and returning to Bedford was one of the best things I did. Within weeks I had a new job, new home and new relationship.

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  13. brusselsexpats

     /  September 18, 2018

    Hi Desde,

    The Guardian probably doesn’t have moderators on the night shift anymore. However, the problem as far as i’m concerned is still the chippiness of certain posters whenever you mention anything in the least foreign and/or intellectual – or what they consider intellectual.

    Comments that over here would seem a normal conversation between people who are used to chatting about art/literature etc., seem like a red rag to a bull with certain G. readers.

    I’m not sure I understand why given that even on the Daily Mail, in the few instances I’ve commented on the arts, it has never happened. Some time back on I commented on the novel Bruges La Morte by Georges Rodenbach and got a lot of likes – no red arrows at all. That surprised me – but guaranteed you’ll always come up against one or two pillocks on the Guardian. This on a newspaper website that prides itself on being an intellectual cut above the media hoi polloi and whose journalists boast a background of blue chip unis. I often wonder how the latter square the circle frankly. They used to do it by fierce moderation but now obviously budgetary constraints mean that’s no longer possible.

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    • pbj2

       /  September 18, 2018

      Hi Bru

      Some posters think they have a god given right to control the narrative btl whereas others are simply trolls out to provoke a reaction.

      I’ve never been envious of those who have a better lifestyle than me.And i can’t abide those middle class champagne socialists who play down their privileged lifestyles because they want to be seen as being ”one of the people” .

      Some of these champagne socialists have never understood either the concept of working class aspiration or the fact that many working class communities can be pretty conservative in some respects albeit with a small c.Indeed another type of person i can’t stand is the working class made good man and woman who turn their backs on their working class roots and become even more rightwing and reactionary than those born with silver spoons in their gobs.

      I’ve got much better at ignoring certain posters than i used to be.But i’ve always posted what i want and when and where i want to post it.However i’d be lying if i didn’t admit to being somewhat depressed at the level of ignorance and intolerance shown by certain posters from right across the political spectrum.And as someone from the political left myself i’m also especially irked by those who claim to be on the left but see any criticism of the left as being tantamount to some sort of heresy.

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      • Champagne socialists are one of the reasons poorer people are put off voting for Labour. Imagine them considering voting for the party of their fathers and grandfathers and going to the local Labour party meeting and finding the likes of CalamityBurnout there. No wonder they feel no one stands up for them or understands them.

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  14. pbj2

     /  September 18, 2018

    For anyone who’s interested the following is a documentary made in 1970 about the German occupation of the Channel Islands between 1940-1945.

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  15. brusselsexpats

     /  September 17, 2018

    Jack – it was strange.

    My original Brusselsexpats atavar was no longer working. I would post, it would appear very briefly then disappear. This went on for a few weeks. My profile was still up. However I decided to change my user name and get rid of my old “ID”.

    This worked fine – I became Antwerpexpat – posted for the first time yesterday, then this morning there was a note saying my comments had been disabled and I was sent to the moderators’ list of infringements.

    As I knew full well I’d nothing wrong I decided to delete the account altogether. Did that, then was fiddling around later to check that the account really was deleted when the original Brusselsexpats came up again and I can use it to post.

    Bangs head on laptop……

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    • Some weird things happen with accounts due to technical hitches. The moderation and bannings have long been heisted and it’s a waste of time. How long there will be any commenting looks doubtful as there are so few now.

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  16. brusselsexpats

     /  September 17, 2018

    This is weird – now my original profile is back up……

    Gremlins.

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  17. brusselsexpats

     /  September 17, 2018

    What I also like about The Times – and even the Telegraph – is the way you can post about intellectual/artistic issues and often someone will join you in the debate. Nobody appears to feel threatened by such comments. I had a good exchange on the Times on an article about Zuckerberg’s admiration for the Roman Emperor Augustus. Of course Z hasn’t a clue about the realities of Roman politics and came out with a real clanger.

    It was debated in a good and amusing way. On Cif the usual mob would have been out in force screaming elitism.

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  18. brusselsexpats

     /  September 17, 2018

    Talking of Cif – I have deleted my account. I had to create a new one because of some changes to their system and that was OK. I went on as AntwerpExpat and made my first comment yesterday only to find my comments have been disabled today.

    No idea why, except I probably fell foul of two posters, one who accused me of being pretentious because I quoted the famous line from Sartre “hell is other people” in French – I happen to know the journalist Emma Beddington personally and she is always going on about “wanting to be French”, even wrote a book about it. And the other got the usual knickers in a twist because I had dared to quote a French intellectual, with whom he disagreed, in the first place.

    It seems the Guardian is so desperate to pander to the mob that, far from flying the flag for the metropolitan crowd,it’s sinking into Little Englander Syndrome. Ah well, I’ll just have to stick to the Times and Telegraph. The former surprisingly allows a lot of left-wing commentary without the usual verbal punch-ups and on the Telegraph I can fight my corner without any problems. In any case I hardly commented on Cif anymore. They can stuff their website.

    Have a good day all – off to the quack for a routine appointment.

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  19. brusselsexpats

     /  September 17, 2018

    Morning all,

    Desde – yes but the problem I find when people disappear into the ether – and this was true on Cif as well – is that you don’t really know what’s happened to them. It’s preferable that they come on and say goodbye than just disappear. Jim’s health seemed to be going downhill quite fast from his comments.

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  20. Good morning all.

    Been thinking about JimPress and how his contribution to the site is missed. Hopefully rheumatoid arthritis isn’t making his life too hard. His comment about the CIF satellite sites having run their course showed his growing boredom with this type of posting and it’s understandable that he wouldn’t want to comment any more. His posting was very good though.

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