Watching the Untrusted Implode III

Yorkshire Sculpture Park 9

Yorkshire Sculpture Park sometime in the 1990s

Watching the Untrusted Implode III

Given the outbreak of inappropriate use of Hitler and Nazi comparisons in the Guardian I thought it might by appropriate to quote George Orwell from a longer article in:

POLITICO Magazine – Quit Comparing Trump to Hitler! –

In American politics everyone at some point gets compared to Der Fuhrer. Even Obama.  By Michael Lind  March 08, 2016

As early as 1944, in his essay “What is Fascism?” George Orwell concluded: “It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless … I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.”

The word “fascist” according to Orwell had been degraded “to the level of a swearword.”

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” An assault on an ideology is not merely different from a threat made to a person; it is the opposite of a threat made to a person. The whole end of liberal civilization is to substitute the criticism of ideas for assaults on people.” – Adam Gopnik

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There is something wonderful in seeing a wrong-headed majority assailed by truth.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Welcome to The Real Untrusted

for a brief introduction to this site – read here

“The citadel of established practice seldom falls to the polite knock of a good idea. It may however yield to a long siege, a pre-emptive strike, a wooden horse or a cunning alliance.” 

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Why I am voting Leave the EU is now here

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I’ve posted Photographs 30  –  all of which have been displayed on the front page recently and are now all together for those who might have missed them first time round.

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 Today’s Music

‘Heard it through the Grapevine’ and other classics played by Tim Whitehead and John Mansell.

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TINGVALL TRIO – BUMERANG

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Bremer McCoy – Ordet

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In the beginning……….. How the CiF rebels turned hypocrisy into an art form-  is now elsewhere  – making comments posted here easier to access – I hope.

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  1. In the local paper it’s reported that a woman had the wrong kidney operated on at MK hospital. They really can’t get their act together. It must be devastating to learn that a mistake like that has been made. We put our trust in the surgeon’s skills entirely.

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  2. Dick Van Dyke has apologised for his atrocious Cockney accent in Mary Poppins!

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  3. Jack Roth

     /  July 21, 2017

    BTH

    As no individual has the courage to to own up to being responsible for the banning of Desde from their forum – perhaps it’s now time to add CifUnderground as a whole to your ‘Hall of Shame’.

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    • I know what the administrators said about me in their emails to 51 as she made sure I knew. Tybo played a part and as he’s such a spineless wimp, would never come out and say anything in his main identity. SleepyChow, fingsaint and bill also got me banned. Hardly an objective bunch as they’d made their dislike of me evident before this. But, when Paul made posts alluding to my banning, no one said anything which suggests all posters might have been contacted by email and wanted me banned.

      It is cheap and sly behaviour to use my past psychiatric history against me as I’d disclosed that myself on Cif and also shared that I got that label because my account of abuse was not believed. So, they’re exploiting my willingness to be open and honest about my life and, by accepting the personality disorder label, they’re also dismissing child abuse. If they think about it, by extension, they’re validating my family.

      Did anyone stand up for Sara when she was banned from CU?

      By the way, if I find out that 51 did tell that employer not to give me a job, I’ll consider instructing a solicitor. A proper one that is, not a fake one like 51.

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      • It’s not fair of me to leave the above without acknowledging the positive side of disclosure. For while there are ignoramuses like the CU posters, there are also those who got in touch to say supportive things. These were people who’d also got the personality disorder label and suffered as a result and those who had been abused as children. They mostly didn’t post but just read and wanted to express their support at the way I got treated on YTU and some of the mental health debates. Some wanted to say they had been through similar but didn’t feel able to post about it. With hindsight, probably a wise decision. It amazes me what some people have been through yet manage to study, get a good job, be great partners, parents and friends, often without any counselling or therapy from the state.

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        • Jack Roth

           /  July 21, 2017

          ‘Did anyone stand up for Sara when she was banned from CU?’

          A few, including me (and Paul if I recall correctly).

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          • It’s not nice banning someone and not having the politeness to explain why but it’s humiliating to have it done publicly. I guess the admin quartet, or gang of four, have said that if there’s a public debate that I’d start getting at those who voted to ban me. So predictable.

            It occurred to me that, if 51 can post as a lawyer which she patently isn’t, why can’t Shazzbot post as a mother? Neither cause harm. Harm starts when emotions are manipulated over a non-existent dead baby – but lies about cancer treatment and prognosis are arguably more damaging. Shazzbot wasn’t banned as far as I know but wouldn’t be welcome which is unfair when someone else who posts fabricated stories is tolerated, if not encouraged.

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            • Fran Sylvie

               /  July 21, 2017

              Desde:

              Our tuppence worth. No-one of any influence in the real world reads these chatrooms.

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              • I know that but it doesn’t mean that people’s feelings don’t get hurt. That matters, as does spreading prejudice and stigma even though the audience is small. It does have a knock-on effect with people who don’t post being told things.

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  4. Fran Sylvie

     /  July 20, 2017

    All:

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    • Great track Fran Sylvie.

      I saw Art Farmer in Sheffield sometime in the mid – late 90s when although long past his prime, he provided an event to treasure.

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  5. How long will it be before the police, FBI, CIA etc get OJ Simpson back in prison for something now that he’s got parole? He must be scared he’ll get done for dropping litter.

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  6. Jack Roth

     /  July 20, 2017

    Bit quiet on here – hope all are well.

    Some good news – one of my comments on The Guardian has been allowed to remain up! Happy Days.

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    • Jack Roth

       /  July 20, 2017

      I spoke too soon – zapped.

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      • Oh, no – do you think it’s anything you say and that someone’s reporting everything you post or are you posting controversial comments?

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        • Jack Roth

           /  July 20, 2017

          Hi, Desde. It was a one word comment (‘Nimbys’) on the ‘fracking’ article – and it was up for three hours before being deleted.

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  7. brusselsexpats

     /  July 19, 2017

    Morning all,

    Desde, Hope the devastation isn’t too great. It’s going to be 32°C here but no storm yet.

    Last year just over the road from me, a tree collapsed onto a car during a storm. Fortunately it was only parked and nobody was in it. In Brussels they have to close off the parks and forests regularly when there are storms. A number of drivers have been killed in the past with trees falling on the cars.

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    • Cornwall has borne the brunt of the storm damage with the rest of England not so bad but some places hit by lightning strikes.

      It was very cold last Saturday. I was in Luton for the first time since its gentrification in the central area and there’s an interchange which means buses all leave from outside the railway station which is good and the dreadful old bus station has gone. But there isn’t a public toilet. Not even a disabled one. There’s the inevitable Costa so their toilet could be used perhaps but it makes people feel obligated to buy something. It would be nice if independent coffee shops could run their businesses in lucrative locations like this. There are also new houses going up opposite the interchange, including some faux 1930s semis. All looking nice but I bet there won’t be any on sale for less than £300,000. There will be some housing association residences too but not enough for the numbers on the waiting list.

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  8. brusselsexpats

     /  July 19, 2017

    The French also invented ballet, thanks to Louis XIV, the perfume industry (although perfumes have existed since ancient times) and couture fashion as we know it.

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  9. Good morning everyone,

    That was a heck of a storm last night – the house shook at one point. Not been out yet to see if there’s any damage but there must be trees down etc. Hope none of you had any problems.

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  10. brusselsexpats

     /  July 18, 2017

    When I was at Paris Nord station last year coming back to Brussels, a homeless man asked me for money to buy a sandwich at a kiosk which I gave him. It wasn’t quite enough so I added the difference.

    Who on earth would have known had the barista sold it? I wouldn’t work in a company with such rules (or I would ignore them.) It’s not as though they were dealing with theft.

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    • I just can’t understand this either – why would a staff member in a shop not serve someone because of who they would give a sandwich too? Unless the management think that this will attract scruffy beggars outside their shops and that’s bad for business. It’s petty and cruel.

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  11. brusselsexpats

     /  July 18, 2017

    Hi Paul,

    Whenever my last firm had a party or reception, the leftover food – and it was top stuff and there was often masses of it – was given to the beggars round about Schuman.

    Luncheon vouchers came with a recommendation to donate one to a homeless person or gift it to a food bank.

    There really is a streak of sadism that runs through British society. The land Dickens knew has never really gone away, just gone underground.

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    • pbj2

       /  July 18, 2017

      Hi Bru

      I agree,There’s a really unpleasant streak in some British people-despite this country having an international reputation for being a land of fair play.And often it tends to be those who’re most well off who’re totally lacking in empathy for those who’re down on their luck.

      Those living on the street are also vulnerable to being physically attacked as well as being either verbally abused or totally ignored.And the average age a rough sleeper dies is just 42 and almost all end up in a paupers grave.

      Rough sleeperss often have deep and complex problems ,are mentally ill and have addiction issues.Some are broken beyond repair.However most could get back on their feet with the right level of help and support.Trouble is that level of help and support often is there.It’s like they’re seen as being undeserving.

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    • Fran Sylvie

       /  July 18, 2017

      Brusselsexpat:

      Sadism – a French invention, so we understand.

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      • Indeed it was Fran Sylvie, along with the Braille System, Canning, Pasteurization, the Aqua Lung, the hot Air Balloon, Mayonnaise, the Metric System and the Sewing Machine.

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        • Fran Sylvie

           /  July 19, 2017

          BTH:

          Also the crêpes suzette and the croque monsieur, mustn’t forget them.

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  12. pbj2

     /  July 18, 2017

    Afternoon all

    A branch of Costa Coffee refuses to sell food to a man tying to buy it for a hungry homeless person.

    The man nevertheless puts £10 on the counter takes some food and tells them to keep the change.

    Those living on the streets really are treated like they’re no better than garbage.Shameful.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/waterloo-costa-coffee-barista-refuses-to-sell-customer-sandwich-because-he-was-buying-it-for-a-a3590646.html

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  13. Jack Roth

     /  July 18, 2017

    My last two comments on The Guardian unceremoniously vaporised – even after four years, any mention of this site there is verboten.

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    • In what context did you mention this site?

      I have attracted some kind of negative following on Oif because most of my comments get deleted however innocuous they are and I’ve got to be careful of everything I say.

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      • Jack Roth

         /  July 18, 2017

        ‘In what context did you mention this site?’

        Once on the subject of women being ‘trolled’ online (pointed out that on this site women are free to post what they like without being ‘trolled’), and a link to here on the ‘Post your Pictures’ article – just trying to promote the site really, have left a link to here on my Daily Mail profile – still there after two days!

        ‘I have attracted some kind of negative following on Oif’

        I think we all know who is behind that, Desde 😦

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        • There’s my fans at Cifunderground but there’s also the disqusagain/jrtmedic etc franchise. They have been gunning for all the long term posters on health threads and have succeeded in driving away some of them and are clearly reporting many of us. For some reason, they’re untouchable and can get away with anything yet if they insult someone, as they frequently do, they are never moderated. The whole modding thing is a farce and doesn’t reflect the community rules at all so it’s pointless to take part in it. At this rate, I can see a banning for me on Oif.

          On the reality TV thread, I responded to someone who said that Scarlett Moffatt had planned her TV career, saying she had orchestrated it from Gogglebox and that the vote on I’m A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here was rigged in her favour – and it was deleted. Yet the Mail has run debates with very similar posts. It has really come to something when the Guardian is more censorious than the Mail. Why do they care about what’s said about some z list celebrity? I don’t think the mods even read some of the reports.

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    • Fran Sylvie

       /  July 18, 2017

      Jack:

      Oh the days when someone could mention this site and pique interest.

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      • All these Oif satellite sites will fizzle out in time. Apart from the bedlam that is this place, I don’t know what goes on at the UnTrusted these days since its glory days of trashing many other YTU posters and Cifunderground consists of many ‘what I had for tea’ type posts. By the way, I had mackerel in tomato sauce, boiled carrots and a gluten and wheat free crumpet for my tea tonight. I refuse to divulge details of when I need to go to the toilet or when my dog breaks wind.

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    • Hi Jack,

      Sorry to hear about that and it’s why I try to keep a copy of everything I post on CiF and elsewhere for that matter. Also I’ll always use Abbreviate me which at least means the mods have to come to the site to check where the link leads them.

      There was a mysterious spike in viewing figures on the 29th June with 460 page views, well over 100 more than days in the preceding and following week.

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  14. brusselsexpats

     /  July 18, 2017

    Morning all,

    Interesting bit of news that a couple who went missing 75 years ago in the Swiss alps have been found on a glacier, their bodies perfectly intact.

    That reminds me of a family episode. In the Thirties a cousin of my British grandfather went mountaineering in Switzerland (I think it was the Eiger) and in those days that meant a woolly jumper, a pair of hobnailed boots and a bog standard rope. He too disappeared – apparently he fell – and his body has been somewhere on the mountain ever since.

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  15. When you’re next around Bitey, I have only just read your response to me asking if you’re a twitcher:

    ‘For goodness sake no, but I do know a few who will drive from one end of the country to the other with several thousands of pounds worth of camera and optical equipment to catch a glimpse of something that looks like a sparrow, but isn’t.’

    That made me laugh – because there really are people who go hundreds of miles to catch sight of some tiny bird which they often don’t get to see. A friend of my brother’s is a twitcher and what he gets up to, at least I assume he still does, is incredible: suddenly dashing off at a moment’s notice because another twitcher’s claimed to see a rare bird somewhere. They take it all so seriously and it’s quite a close knit group. This man has very few social skills with humans so maybe birds are easier to deal with.

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  16. brusselsexpats

     /  July 17, 2017

    Hi Paul,

    The differences between Wallonia and Flanders are evening out. There are still black spots, like Charleroi but generally Belgium is excellent for education and healthcare right across the board.

    Then there are hidden benefits in the workplace like tax free bonuses (which can be given to anybody not just the top brass), bonuses based on personal merit and bonuses based on company profit. Workers also get a 13th month salary in December and almost a month’s holiday pay, paid out between April and June. In addition the firms pick up commuting costs, either your train fare or a petrol allowance for your car. A couple working in ordinary clerical jobs can easily reach Euros 90 – 100K per annum and housing is much cheaper than in the UK particularly outside the bigger cities like Brussels and Antwerp.

    It is true that the Flanders does better than the French speaking part of the country and there are pockets of deprivation in Brussels among the ethnic communities, partly because they don’t speak the languages necessary in a multinational city like Brussels for example and partly because they don’t – or won’t – integrate but there are many more Moroccan and Turkish people in mainstream employment than was the case twenty years ago. It’s a slow process integrating completely different cultures.

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  17. brusselsexpats

     /  July 17, 2017

    A new report that assesses countries committed to combatting inequality puts Belgium 2nd, – after Sweden – of 152 countries. Britain is 17th and the US 23rd.

    It’s nice to know that something you’ve always suspected is true.

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    • pbj2

       /  July 17, 2017

      That surprises me Bru given the stark differences between Brussels and the Dutch speaking regions on the one hand and the French speaking regions on the other.

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