Ally Fogg censors his own blog – and how conflating religion and race helped the Rotherham abusers for so long

Beng Melea, Cambodia 2007

Beng Melea, Cambodia 2007

Ally Fogg censors his own blog – and how conflating religion and race helped the Rotherham abusers for so long

I’d joined the discussion, posting as tendentious?, on Ally Fogg’s blog, about his article on male circumcision initiation practices in three African locations. Among other things I’d posted was:

“Yes the forms described in Ally Fogg’s and Fezisa Mdibi‘s articles, clearly are mutilation and designed to be so, as are a number of other male initiation practices.”

Today, no doubt after a little detective work on this site Ally posted:

“Tendentious? is a persistent contrarian troll-cum- stalker”

To which I responded:

You missed out the “racist” bit Ally and continued – Never mind I’ll be doing a short piece about how your conflating criticisms of Islam and racism, is the sort of politics that helped the Rotherham child rapists to get away with their criminal actions for so long. You might want to reflect on that. And you are not alone in this error as I will add here, if and when I can find the evidence. And I have now found it.

Interestingly, one of his regulars contributed this morning:

StillGjenganger says
August 31, 2014 at 11:51 am

Too bad about Tendentious? – he was as sensible as anybody and more polite than many on this thread. I guess he cannot complain if he has destroyed his credit elsewhere already

To which my response – censored by Mr Fogg was:

Oh dear Ally, you’ve made yourself look like a cheap Stalinist censor – again, or to quote one of your admirers, playing the man not the ball there.

So what else about Ally Fogg and racism. Here he is in July 2013 defining what he considers to be “one of the most insidious and harmful forms of racism”,  in a quote that was picked as the Guardian’s “Comment of the Week”.

“I think one of the most insidious and harmful forms of racism is the one that says ‘I’ve got nothing against black people, I’m not prejudiced, but I get really pissed off when they start getting uppity and complaining about racism.”

I replied:

More insidious and harmful than the racist thugs that killed Stephen Lawrence?

Or more recently, more insidious and harmful than the racist thug that killed Indian student Anuj Bidve on a Salford street on Boxing Day 2011? A crime that took place almost on Ally’s doorstep?

More insidious and harmful than the racist cleansing the Rohingya people in Burma are facing, reported in this newspaper just three days ago?

If the most insidious kind of racism in the UK today concerns people who say – “Why can’t they just be nice and stop talking about it?” – we must be approaching a non-racist paradise.

After all there might be some people who say “Why can’t they just be nice and stop talking about it?” who are deliberately masking their hatred of people from races other than their own. (And the 2011 census identified over 20 ethnic groups in the UK)  But my experience is that it’s far more likely to be uttered by those who really do want people to be nice to each other but maybe don’t have the literary and presentational skills of Ally Fogg.

And others wrote?

“It seems like a caricature of an argument, not the kind of argument that would actually be posted. As such, it is a strawman.”

“I just see AllyF’s point in this case as incoherent and a red herring. Suggesting that you feel that there is too much emphasis placed on racism is a valid position. It does not in any way imply a negotiated trade off between silence and hatred…..A red herring greeted with a one dimensional comment about a white bloke being against racism. The stuff of the Gruabiad (sic) since the 80’s..”

“AllyF’s comment is much the same as it attempts to portay (sic) anybody who questioned the scenario outlined in the piece as doing no more than trying to shut people up when they complained about racism. Which was not the case.”

More about Ally Fogg suggesting an equivalence between male circumcision and female genital mutilation here.

And here’s one of Ally Fogg’s greatest fans – BeautifulBurnout writing in December 2009:

Christianity – especially the evangelical form – preaches superiority over non-Christians. Church steeples are an overt physical statement. Evangelical Christians are just as intolerant as fundamentalist Muslims are. Just as homophobic; just as misogynist.

To which my response was:

Well I come from an Evangelical Christian background and I can’t recall any of them, even the most extreme calling for woman to be stoned to death for adultery or homosexuals to be hanged. Perhaps you have evidence to the contrary?
Indeed I can remember the times I sat as a child being told about the woman taken in adultery and not casting the first stone.

Looking at what happened in Rotherham, is it small wonder that front-line staff in both the police and social services were reticent about reporting the sexual abuse and exploitation of girls and young women, when their senior managers, backed up by a barrister come out with this kind obfuscation and distortion about religion and ethnicity?

In the broader organisational context, however, there was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to ‘downplay’ the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be interpreted as ‘racist’. From a political perspective, the approach of avoiding public discussion of the issues was ill judged.

Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham 1997 – 2013 – Professor Alexis Jay OBE

And like Ally Fogg, BeautifulBurnout has also accused critics of Islamism of racism. Here she is on The Debate Beyond Wootton Bassett by Salma Yaqoob:

“One thing that is interesting about bitey under his new nick is the racism, though. I hadn’t really spotted it before, but now it is pretty clear that he holds no truck with Muslims – be they “honour” killers or hit-and-run drivers.”

Of course when challenged as to the race to which Muslims belong, BB is silent and not surprisingly as with over 1.5 billion adherents worldwide, Muslims will certainly belong to the vast majority of racial and ethnic groups.  And does that mean BeautifulBurnout does “have truck” with “honour” killers or hit-and-run drivers?

Dr Heal, in her 2006 report, stated that ‘it is believed by a number of workers that one of the difficulties that prevent this issue [CSE] being dealt with effectively is the ethnicity of the main perpetrators’.

She also reported in 2006 that young people in Rotherham believed at that time that the Police dared not act against Asian youths for fear of allegations of racism. This perception was echoed at the present time by some young people we met during the Inquiry, but was not supported by specific examples.

The UK Muslim Women’s Network produced a report on CSE in September 2013 which drew on 35 case studies of women from across the UK who were victims, the majority of whom were Muslim. It highlighted that Asian girls were being sexually exploited where authorities were failing to identify or support them.

Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham 1997 – 2013 – Professor Alexis Jay OBE


 Update 1

In his post where Ally Fogg called me a racist for criticising him advertising Muslim Aid, he referred to it as an acclaimed humanitarian charity.

I pointed out:

Muslim Aid the “acclaimed humanitarian charity” claims to be “one of the international faith based charities whose humanitarian principles are deeply rooted in the Islamic teachings of equality of gender and provision of basic amenities for the most needy.”

These principles include all the discriminatory ones that apply to women in for instance Shariah courts.

Also about its Development Programmes:

“The aim of development programmes is neither to bring about major structural changes within the society nor to challenge the social and cultural norms of the society.”

As such I was delighted to read Ally’s statement on his blog today:

“I utterly reject your premise that it is somehow unacceptable for any inhabitant of this planet to express a view about the human rights of another person elsewhere. How do you feel about Suttee? How do you feel about stoning to death women who commit adultery or hanging people for being homosexual? Is it imperialism and colonialism to condemn such practices and to take active steps to seek to reduce or eliminate them?”

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