BeautifulBurnout – calling Bitey a paedophile; – frankly, it is fair comment
BeautifulBurnout writes on The Untrusted:
“But even in this day and age, adults excusing adults and accusing child victims of abuse is rife. Bitey whines and moans about people in the past calling him a paedophile, but, frankly, it is fair comment when you consider some of the stuff he has supported in the past – not just flying the flag for the teacher Helen Goddard when she was convicted and imprisoned for a sexual relationship with a female 15 yr old pupil, but also the disgusting comments he made in the Madeleine Martin case – the 39 year old teacher having a sexual relationship with her 15 year old pupil. Barbara Ellen wrote a completely wrong headed piece about it at the time – linky”
Now would I have said that if I was arguing that she was innocent of any crime? Clearly she was found guilty and rightly so; it’s the complete lack of proportionality in the sentence and the pandering to tabloid outrage that I object to.
People are welcome to look at my posts on that thread and judge for themselves whether there’s anything I’ve posted there that supports paedophilia. As a barrister, MrsB will know that as the case involved a post-pubescent 15 year old student, the introduction of paedophilia can only be for sensationalist reasons. Indeed MrsB herself had agreed as much here:
“it isn’t paedophilia (that’s why I referred to hebephilia, which is a proclivity for pubescent teenagers”.
So to be perfectly clear, and for consistency, is BeautifulBurnout also calling Barbara Ellen a paedophile?
And as MrsB has drawn our attention to Barbara Ellen’s article, here’s something from that other CiF idol, Ally Fogg, from the same thread:
“But however generally crap boys might be, however much they might be giggling about tits, passing around porn or whatever, it doesn’t mean they are mature enough to consent to a relationship with a 39 year old who holds a position of authority and privilege over them.”
Doesn’t sound like they’re very confused Ally, they seem more like thoroughly horrible individuals with well developed strategies to intimidate their female classmates.
But according to you it’s alright to send a teacher to prison for 32 months for a private, consensual totally stupid and indefensible relationship with a 15 year old student. But when it comes to teenage boys blighting the education of their female class mates by sexually assaulting them and intimidating them with obscene pornographic imagery, you think it’s completely excusable because the boys’ physical development runs ahead of their emotional and psychological maturity.
There was a time when such behaviour would be dealt with very severely by the school authorities, but no doubt a parent like you, who’s a bit of a champion of freely available pornography, would argue that what’s good for me is good for my boy and in any case it’s only a bit of harmless porn, so if you or your daughter objects, then tough get a life or shut up.
Ally Fogg is a CiF censor who has called on the power of the moderators to prevent posts like this appearing.
Barbara Ellen was traduced for the article she wrote, and leading the charge was no other than BeautifulBurnout with 458 recommendations, and this before the recommendation system was abused.
BeautifulBurnout posted something that might have graced the front pages of the world’s most scandalous red top journals.
She screams at Barbara Ellen:
“Have you ever read any of the accounts of men who were “seduced” by older women when they were young? I summarise that your experience in this is limited to watching The Graduate”
Could it be that MrsB meant “surmise”? Never mind.
And what are the accounts of “seduction” she provides as well cited evidence, of men who were abused when they were 15 years old?
Well they’re not in the report she cites – “Female sexual abuse of children: ‘the ultimate taboo’” by Michele Elliott.
This report states:
Eighty-three per cent of the women who could remember, said the sexual abuse started before the age of 5, 16% were between the ages of 5 and 10; 1% were between the ages of 10 and 15.
Fifty-five per cent of the men reported the abuse started before the age of 5;
35% were between the ages of 5 and 10; 10% were between the ages of 10 and 15.
The report doesn’t say if any were above the age of 15.
The male victims (N=320) reported that 82% of their abusers were related to them.
When a single perpetrator was reported;
96% were mothers; 4% were stepmothers. When two perpetrators were reported; mothers were abusers in 45% of the cases, along with sisters, grandfathers, and other males; 22% of dual abusers were stepmothers; and 33% were babysitters and family friends.
So the report isn’t about 15 year old post pubescent males being “abused” by 38 year old regular Christian church going teachers like Madeleine Martin, but almost exclusively about young children being abused by their immediate family.
Essentially, it’s totally irrelevant to the subject of Barbara Ellen’s article.
But so what does it matter if the Bar Council’s representative on CiF can get some cheap acclaim from her admiring posters, all 458 of them?
The Bar Council’s barristers, as I understand, need a law degree and an apprenticeship to wear that silk and wig, but apparently no qualification in well researched evidence to abuse Guardian journalists.
Ally Fogg was almost rampant on the Barbara Ellen thread and as someone who has always had a lot of time for his views, I’m almost reluctant to post this.
No I jest.
“Teenage boys are incredibly gauche and clumsy around teenage girls, not least because the travails of adolescence mean that they quickly learn that there’s nothing a teenage girl likes better than to humiliate, belittle and mock a male peer.”
Of late I’ve wondered how Ally Fogg, so long someone with his tent firmly secured in the feminist camp, managed to shift seamlessly into the Menz for Justize roadside lay-by.
I need time to think about this transition but maybe this post offers a clue.
But before I do his comment throws light on the dilemma faced by Ms Martin and AllyF’s humiliated, belittled and mocked male peer. And here, probably unwisely I venture into the area normally reserved for the psychoanalysts.
Could it be, that she found herself the only person who, like Ally, could understand the turmoil that had engulfed the 15 year old’s psyche and enabled him to overcome his “gauche and clumsy” feelings? – and well one thing led to another?
Or maybe she just enjoyed, to quote kizbot, “shagging” a young man?
On the thread following the article There is no worse sin than turning a blind eye to a paedophile’s activities, MrsB posts:
All we can possibly do is to try and educate our own children so that they can recognise inappropriate behaviour immediately and feel safe enough to be able to warn an appropriate adult about it.
She might have added that it’s a bad idea to encourage those like her friend HankScorpio, to make false accusations of paedophilia. (see Update 1) She might also have added what she did subsequently to ensure that the piano teacher, whether or not he was still alive, was dealt with appropriately.