BeautifulBurnout – is Savile also innocent?

I was looking for evidence about the former head of the IMF Dominique Strauss-Kahn and its relationship to the refuge granted by Switzerland to the child abuser Roman Polanski and came across this staunch, rather strange defence of the former:

So far it has yet to be established that DSK, along with his duties at the Head of the International Monetary Fund was anything other than a predator of females above the age of consent , but like the Savile case, where the rich and powerful are concerned, such evidence can be a long time coming.

So we’ll wait.

But it reminded me that in the long running dispute I had on CiF and The Untrusted about Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the mob, headed by the people’s barrister BeautifulBurnout chanted alone and in unison “he’s innocent until proven guilty”. {words coined by the English lawyer Sir William Garrow (1760–1840)}

So I’m rather surprised given her history of defending rich and powerful men, that MrsB, Backtothepoint and the rest of the cabal (Montana excluded as she took a far more appropriate position as I recall) haven’t come out more strongly in defence of the former disc jockey Jimmy Savile. After all, there’s been no conviction, so as far as MrsB is concerned, like her defence of DSK, everything about Savile is, to quote her,  S P E C U L A T I O N.

Isn’t that right MrsB?

Those who feel this is rather below the belt, given what has subsequently become known about DSK and Savile might like to examine the evidence – well cited as usual.

First in her defence MrsB, told us, that when she was young,  she was quite besotted with the younger DSK. (citation required here MrsB please.)  So in a way it was not surprising that when DSK was dragged off that Air France plane in handcuffs and dramatically arrested and detained in New York, MrsB plunged into the Guardian’s CiF’ with a strident defence of the sexual predator, starting with a scandelous attack on ATL writer Jennifer Abel:

You are wrong, and erecting the same strawman that so many have erected in this regard. I am going to repost here an extract of something I posted elsewhere yesterday.

Needless to say she did repost and equally came to regret her certainty and her initial scornful response to her former hero’s arrest. As Aspadana noted,

As I recall, I think you said something about putting your tinfoil hat on and then in a separate comment conceding in response to another poster, you shouldn’t be speculating.

And despite seven more posts on the thread, MrsB declined the opportunity to deny the “tinfoil hat” suggestion, so I must assume Aspadana is correct. It’s certainly in line with her defence of that other alleged rapist Julian Assange, where she said the claims of the two women who were saying he’d sexually assaulted them were a pile of steaming crap.

Of course Jennifer Abel wasn’t wrong, quite the contrary and obtained an abject apology from MrsB who had ended her post with this rather peculiar conclusion:

Incidentally, as far as I can tell, neither DSK nor his legal team have ever admitted sexual activity took place at all. I recall his lawyer saying something along the lines of “We strenuously deny the allegation that non-consensual sex took place” but they have never admitted sex actually took place.

To which the ever perceptive cafedescargot responded about the discovery of  DSK’s semen on the housekeeper Ms Diallo’s clothes:

No one, not even the maid is claiming that sexual intercourse took place and the crime of rape is not on the charge sheet – although attempted rape is, as it is in Strauss-Kahn’s native country France.

DNA transference.?

I suppose it’s just conceivable that the Head of the International Monetary Fund might be walking around with his semen on his clothes or person in such a way that as he was saying goodbye to the maid with typical French gusto, planting an air kiss above each cheek, some of that semen might just have transferred to the maid’s clothing.

But it’s not very likely is it?

As an aside I dare say MrsB’s favourite lawyer the notorious wife beater George Carman would have wrung from her substantial damages, had Jennifer Abel pursued this libel in court.

MrsB had accused Nafissatou Diallo, the black housekeeper the hotel had assigned to clean DSK’s suite of Lying in her asylum application and because of this the people’s barrister felt she could dismiss all other accusations Ms Diallo might have made.

And as we all know, if those smart lawyers who protected DSK and condemned Nafissatou Diallo to an ignomy she never deserved, had done this to one of MrsB’s asylum seeking clients, quite rightly she’d have posted  the news around the web.

BeautifulBurnout has of late, earned some of her living supporting those who have sought, but been denied asylum in the United Kingdom. It is a largely thankless task  and one which I suggest requires her to ignore, or at least explain some of the “lying” her asylum seekers have needed to engage in, in order to gain entry to her country.

So why was she so quick to condemn Nafissatou Diallowhose only “crime” was to lie in order to move from one of the world’s poorest, most violent countries to one of its richest.

Needless to say, Jennifer Abel corrected MrsB, pointing out at length, the reality faced by asylum seekers in the USA.

Not that this prevented MrsB committing herself to an even more abject obeisance to DSK. Reminding us that DSK had a pre-arranged meeting with Angela Merkel, she wrote:

He would have had to have taken the flight when he did, allowing for time zones, to get there in time. As I say, it is all speculation……

To which the ever aware Cafedescargot reponded:

But he had an open ticket for any Air France flight leaving New York and they’re at 16:40 – the one he was on, 18.15, and 19.15 and another with a stop over in Montreal at 19.55. All of which would have got him to his meeting in time. And of course he could have phoned his staff to delay the meeting on his mobile phone he hadn’t left at the hotel.

And Aspadana delivered the coup de grâce:

It’s hardly news that some asylum seekers hype their claims for asylum – I’m shocked you’re shocked. You’re free to opine about my lack of understanding in those complex matters, I’m free to laugh my ass off about that and the fact you’ve spent so much of your time and effort attempting to, what appears to me, try this case on behalf of Mr. Straus-Kahn, on the same blog you scold others for their speculation.

And of course MrsB wasn’t shocked, she was merely dissembling. And for that she paid a heavy price, again courtesy of Aspadana:

No, what you’ve been doing for the most part is countering speculation with more speculation, letting fly with accusations that others erect straw arguments when they’ve merely trying to inform / correct you, or that others simply don’t know what they’re talking about if they disagree with you in any way. You’ll forgive me if I don’t bother to respond directly to the childish outburst and ad hominem on which you ended your post.  Aside, where you wrote: I actually quite enjoy doing it and it certainly beats watching shit on the telly, it occurred to me that’s the problem right there – I feel the issue deserves more respect than this, as I’ve made clear before I’m simply opposed to rape trial by media, attacks made on complainents based on what people think they know. It simply leaves me cold. (my emphasis)

The  “ad hominem “on which you ended your post” MrsB was –  Ciao for now. Kiss-kiss.

So here is MrsB, the champion of asylum seekers dismissing someone who’s asking her to consider an asylum seeker in the USA as worthy of support, before giving that support to one of the most powerful administrators of the capitalism she despises so much.

Update 1

MrsB has responded on the Untrusted:

Just had a look at the Stalker’s site. He is carrying on arguments from months ago with me, it seems. Again. A complete nutter. How very sad to spend one’s life rehashing old grudges against people you will never meet. 

You mean arguments like these?

BeautifulBurnout
29 September 2012 4:35PM

Response to Wellcitedevidence, 29 September 2012 3:17PM
Oh! I didn’t realise you’d taken that directly from the Shitey-Bitey-Site!

Stalker got a minion now, eh? Bless. :o)

BeautifulBurnout 6 Sep 2012, 10:23PM

i think it an insult to put bracken & bitey* in the same category.

Great minds, Herm. Couldn’t agree with you more.

BeautifulBurnout 24 Jul 2012, 10:22PM

Evening all

You’ve got to admit, Ron Porkworthy is a bloody funny nick. :o)

And not, that is most definitely not Bitey, Shazz.

Ascerbic wit was never Bitey’s forte.

“RonPorkworthy” is the Bill Hicks of Cif; Bitey the Perez Hilton.

(And I agree that Herm, who rocks.)

BeautifulBurnout 14 Jul 2012, 1:58PM

Wouldn’t you be happier on Bitey’s blog, Tara? There’s a whole raft of distortion and bitching goes on over there and it never gets modded, apparently.

BeautifulBurnout 5 Jun 2012, 9:50PM

You appear to have too much Bitey inside your head.

Can ECT cure that?

And just to set MrsB’s mind at rest about my social life, this weekend I entertained two friends and among other things, went to see this guy live.

Update 2

So fripouille has joined the Untrusted cabal to add his wisdom to the discussion. And what wisdom. Responding to MrsB’s psychoanalysis of my condition:

Wotcha BB!   “How very sad to spend one’s life rehashing old grudges against people you will never meet.”

Such giddy heights – a barrister and a psychoanalyst – has MrsB attained.

To which MrsB responded:

Indeedy, Fripouille. Sadly there are some nutters out there, though. No accounting for folk.

Of course fripouille,  no one in almost 400 years has met either Cromwell or Charles 1st but it doesn’t stop the “rehashing of old grudges”.

Fripouille needs to understand that this is about politics as much as anything and as such is a quite legitimate area of enquiry. Only someone totally lacking in a response would ascribe the condition of madness to their opponent. Let others speak:

I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people.
Isaac Newton

The extreme limit of wisdom, that’s what the public calls madness.
Jean Cocteau

“Nothing can be more slightly defined than the line of demarcation between sanity and insanity … Make the definition too narrow, it becomes meaningless;  make it too wide, and the whole human race becomes involved in the dragnet. In strictness we are all mad when we give way to passion, to prejudice, to vice, to vanity; but if all the passionate, prejudiced and vain people were to be locked up as lunatics, who is to keep the key to the asylum?” 

(Editorial, The Times, 22 July 1853)

Update 3

And here’s MrsB making comedic light of Savile’s abuse when the story first broke:

Response to Leopold1904, 9 February 2012 10:39AM
Seville – wasn’t he something to do with that group Marmalade?

Sure you’re not thinking of Chris Barber…?

(Got my coat on already…)

So much for falsely accusing posters of paedophilia when you can joke about the likes of Savile.

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