Today’s news archive – April 2012 – 31 December 2013

Menglian, Xisuangbanna, February 2011

Menglian, Xisuangbanna, February 2011

News for 21 December

BeautifulBurnout stops short of demanding trade union membership for barristers, but at very least stands four square with other barristers in conspiring to take industrial action.

I won’t be going to court on the 7th though, in solidarity with my colleagues at the Crim Bar who are not going to court on the morning of the 7th either. Not that there is an organised strike or anything, just a lot of people have decided individually that they are taking that morning off…

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News for 18 December

Under a photograph of what appears to be a 19th Century workhouse with banners “God is Good” and “God is Just”,  the ever perceptive Untrusted Anne Tanner posts –  Is our past also our future?

Posted the day before the release of figures showing record numbers in employment in the UK and the lowest unemployment rate since the February-to-April period in 2009.

And the ultra perceptive sheffpixie responds “We’ll be back there soon by the looks of things!”

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mya posts:

“Sheff – I’m not that bothered about how my body is gotten rid of after death. Sticking it on a bonfire or thrown in the sea would be fine by me. Funerals are so costly now.”

mya needs to do a little research to discover that since the deregulation of the relevant act of Parliament, it is possible to be buried anywhere as long as the grave doesn’t threaten a water course.  Surely the ranks of the Untrusted could manage to do the paper work and dig a grave in an appropriate place.

News for 9 December

Backtothepoint asks:

Who do you think the French Communist Party has murdered, bru? Or are you getting your Jacques Ducloses and your Stalins in a muddle?

The only people I know the French Communist Party killed were rather a lot of Nazis during the war. Is that what you’re upset about?

Of course that killing went on after the Stalin – Hitler pact and the party’s betrayal of the Spanish workers in 1936-39.

BTTP and his present day comrades might not literally have blood on their hands but they’re still a pretty unsavoury bunch:

“In the years that followed, (1924) the most loyal supporters of Stalin rose to the top of the (French Communist)  party and remained there until the 1960s—Maurice Thorez, Jacques Duclos, Marcel Cachin, etc.

“They defended every twist and turn of Stalin and supported all of his crimes, from the Moscow Trials and blood purges of the 1930s to the Hitler-Stalin pact at the end of the decade. Outside of the Soviet Union itself, there was no other country where the cult of Stalin was encouraged to such an extent as in France. Even after the death of the dictator, Thorez declared that the description “Stalinist” was not an insult, but rather a “title of prestige and honour” of which one could be proud. “From the depths of our hearts we declare our burning love for Stalin and assure him of our unshakeable trust,” the French CP leader declared.

“The Stalinised PCF became one of the most important props of bourgeois rule in France.”

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News for 8 December

BeautifulBurnout – barrister, careerist,  devoted mother:

My favourite quote from Mandela up there, Montana. Thanks for that. xx

“No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin or his background or his religion. People must learn to hate.”

But obviously not this one:

“I have great respect for British institutions and for [Britain’s] system of justice. I regard the British parliament as the most democratic in the world.”

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News for 7 December

Frog2222 posts:

The nuclear power industry is suing Germany because it’s phasing out its unpopular nuclear power stations. Tobacco giant Philip Morris is suing Australia for billions of dollars in lost profits because the government took action to reduce teenage smoking. And pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly is suing Canada for $500 million, just because Canada has laws to keep essential drugs affordable.

And if The Untusted’s favourite barrister is called on to defend the nuclear power, tobacco and pharmaceutical industries, will she accept the brief, and how will she win?

News for 6 December

Montana Wildhack, probably one of the internet’s most profane bloggers, with in loco parentis authority over other people’s children, posts a quote from the late Nelson Mandela:

“No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin or his background or his religion. People must learn to hate.”

So where did Mrs Wildhack learn such hatred, her latest example of which was just three days ago: ?

Well, if you’re going to post like a pompous, cock-sucking arse, then you probably ought to expect to be called one.

It takes some serious concentration on learning  to come out with such abuse at the drop of a hat.

Montana Wildhack tramps on Mandela’s grave even before his lying in state.

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News for 4 December

After years of increasingly committing herself to the class struggle espoused by the like of  “old Labour”  stalwarts like HankScorpio and Anne Tanner, and Communist Party hoorahs like Backtothepoint,  BeautifulBurnout exposes her real politics by denying the only time in the history of modern Britain, when the power of organised labour has resulted in the resignation of a Conservative administration and the election of a Labour government.

In 1973, Arthur Scargill, before he was president of the National Union of  Mineworkers, was instrumental in organising the miners’ work to rule that resulted in the ‘three day week and strike that started on 9 February 1973 and toppled Sir Edward Heath’s Conservative Government.

And what is BeautifulBurnout’s response to this successful action by organised workers? Not to cheer it to the rafters, but to condemn it with:

” The three day week had little to do with unions.”

News for 1 December

More Godwin nonsense from Anne Tanner:

This government should be indicted for crimes against humanity Theresa May obviously fancies herself in a black leather coat and Jackboots.
I used to say I didn’t do hate! I resent that I am being forced to hate what this govt is doing!
They are lower than vermine, so far below vermine that the vermine cannot see them!

This is about the court’s decision that Isa Muazu should be deported.

And I know, Anne’s mixing up her fur coats with her furry rodents.

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News for 27 November

From sheffpixie, another of the UT’s Armchair revolutionaries

If things keep on the way they’re going Anne – a lot of these mega rich buffoons could find themselves hanging from lamp posts with their $95,000 hamburgers stuffed up their fundaments.

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So MBC1955 thinks heyhabib is “a master” for this post:

Everything you need to know about 101 and Bitey could be written on a post-it note. Even if you could record their redeeming features, you’d still have space to draw a tuberous cock and balls.

Wasn’t it MBC1955 who made a death threat against the Prime Minister?

“If Call Me Dave ever handed me an Eton Rifle, he’d be the first to get the bullet back.”

Or was that a different MBC1955.

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News for 7 November

Chekhov, one of the UT’s more rational posters is risking damaging his reputation

3633 comments btl on the Brand thread…….and some would have us believe than an apathetic electorate is part of the problem!

BTW; I didn’t scroll through the whole lot but I didn’t notice anyone disagreeing with his analysis.

He certainly didn’t otherwise he might have read this:

For any Guardian reader to take seriously Mr Brand advocacy of not voting is reactionary. Under our system not voting is voting is voting to leave David Cameron in power. Lynton Crosby must be rubbing his hands with glee.

or this

What is it about this bloke that makes the Guardian print every gnomic utterance? His experience of life? His intellect? His connection with ordinary mugs from his lofty tax sheltered ,expatriate 15million quid pile?

or this

Why does the media give so much airtime to this guy? He’s simply a self-publicist who got lucky.

He’s got nothing original to say and offers no solutions. The only people liable to be impressed by this 6th form rant are the 15 year old schoolboy who thinks it’s big and clever to spoil your ballot paper (hint: that’s the reason 15 years olds aren’t allowed to vote) and his mates in the school debating society.

News for 6 November

Calamityjane123 / BeautifulBurnout (moving the subject to her rather than the first time poster):

Hehehe.

I was shit scared before I started posting on CiF. I was worried Kizbot would clock me one with a flying teapot.

(Still am!)

😀

So what was her first post?   Can’t be absolutely sure given her and the moderators’ censorship but it could well have been:

I have my own (conspiracy?) theory, which is that there are columns of Republican activists who are employed to surf the web looking for any dissenting voice and muffle it immediately.

But in the end it wasn’t Republican activists who silenced BeautifulBurnout but the barrister for censorship herself – well until she reappeared as Calamityjane123.

News for 5 November

The Untrusted’s Financial Experts muse on the fate of the Co-op Bank

sheffpixie

I’m a customer too Anne – more recent than you as i moved my account and my pitiful savings across a year or two ago – thinking the same as you. Now we’re being taken over by a couple of hedge funds! It seems the bank over reached itself trying to buy up Lloyds, was it? Or some such thing.

Well it was the Britannia Building Society, along with all of its bad debts and 632 Lloyds Bank branches. Or some such thing.

AT42

if everyone moves to the Nationwide, something will happen there too. the powers that be hate mutuals. The co-op gained a lot of new customers post 2008.

The big banks don’t like that…

When they were in trouble the govt bailed them out…

But not the co-op I fear.

Except all this was done not by some left leaning bunch of co-op socialists or even a ruling class conspiracy, but by a Board of Directors and Non-Executive Directors who like those in failed banks RBS, Lloyds and HBOS, saw it as a way of joining the big time or an even bigger time as far as their personal bank balances were concerned.

And of course unless shefflixie and Anne Tanner have more than £85,000 in their bank accounts they benefit from the hated Coalition Government’s guarantee.      🙂

News for 24 October

BeautifulBurnout and the Defence of Crime

Thankfully I have seen a few cases lately where judges in the crown court are sentencing people to 11 months custody instead of 12 for offences that merit that level of custody, presumably on the basis that they don’t believe the offender deserves to be deported as well – 12 months custody is the trigger-point for automatic deportation proceedings to kick in.

But imagine you have been living here since the age of 10, are now 30 and get 12 months for a non-violent, non-sexual, non-drug offence (theft or some-such). Your whole family is here; your wife and children are here; you have never visited your “home” country in 20 years. Tough shit, pal, it will be on a plane with you and you can argue about it when you get to wherever it is your family came from, irrespective of whether you have any ties or associations in that country or not.

And imagine if after 20 years living in a country you didn’t realise the seriousness of an offence that would get you 12 months in prison. You’d find it rather difficult to argue that you had lots of ties and associations with this country.

So what kinds of offences do people get 12 months for?

Punching a police horse in the head after his team lost a derby match;  the wedding day bomb threat;  for being part of a £700k money laundering scam;  attacking three former wives and a step-daughter between 1967 and 1995;  night-time burglaries, breaking windows and smashing gaming machines;  knocking down and seriously injuring a man when a high-speed chase ended in a collision;  three counts of pickpocket theft and 4 of breaching ASBO conditions.

So nothing serious there.

News for 20 October

Where are those who jump to the defence of all things Islamic, with cries of racism at any criticism, when the inspectors of schools determine that the UK’s first government sponsored ‘madrassa’, – the  Al-Madinah school in Derby is set to be placed in special measures?

News for 2 October

So Martillo has appeared as the guest of Dhiya Kuriakose “Below the Line”.

Pity she didn’t question him more carefully about his accusations of paedophilia – such as the following exchange on the Untrusted in September 2009:

martillo said…

Grrr! Those cowardly cif bastards have closed down the waddya where BTH defends lesbian paedophilia. No fucking shame.
22 September, 2009 11:52

BeautifulBurnout responded….

I’m not surprised it has been shunted aside, tbh. Given the position that BTH is taking on that thread it might well have developed into the kind of thread that would have attracted that awful paedophile apologist chap who was posting a few weeks back. Ugh.

BTH misses the point completely. Were the woman not a school teacher, the chances are she would not have been charged, and would have been given a caution or similar. But what we are talking about here is someone in a position of trust abusing that trust.

Secondly, the fact that the 15 year old girl wanted and consented to the relationship is, unfortunately, neither here nor there; under the law she is not in a position to be fully consenting, expecially when an older person is involved.

So actually nothing to do with paedophilia according to BeautifulBurnout.

The Phazer then made a comment which more or less agreed with my own position…

Ick, I actually kinda agree with BTH. Given the couple are still together and the teacher has lost her job and registration, I don’t see that this prosecution was particularily in the public interest. Losing a career is a good deterrent, the principle of consent in British law is an unholy mess, and now there’s a jail space full that would be better used on someone causing actual harm.

If I can find her email or Twitter account  I’ll be sending Ms Kuriakose a link to this page.  🙂

News for 18 September

And here’s Backtothepoint yet again defending  the child rapist Roman Polanski and from the length and detail of his post, he’s clearly made an effort to research every possible line of mitigation.

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Has Anne Tanner finally taken leave of her senses?

Commenting on a report that two RAF guard dogs had been put down:

“Montana that report makes you realise how close we are to doing the same to humans who have outlived their usefulness”  😦

Is there nothing that AT42 won’t use to try to demonstrate that the coalition government is intent on emulating the very worst of Nazi atrocities?

Maybe if the two of them read something more informative than The Sun, they might realise that even about these dogs they were wrong.

From the BBC quoting the Ministry of Defence:

“Belgian shepherd Brus was at the end of his working life and Blade, a German shepherd, had “behavioural issues”…. It is true two dogs have been put down, a couple of days after. It was entirely coincidental.”

“The department’s policy is to rehome all military working dogs at the end of their service life wherever practicable……Regrettably, however, there are occasions when they have to be put down. This action is only ever taken as a last resort.”

Those who know anything about the relationship between owners of working dogs recognises the bond that develops between them and their keepers and how the dogs in “retirement” continue to provide a valuable service. Unlike many humans I read about. 🙂

News for 29 August

Only ten posts on the Untrusted site on Saturday 24 August 2013.  I believe this is an all time record low and three of the posts were about Marks and Spencer selling grouse meat.  On August 25 2012 there were more than twice that number – 21. On August 27 2011 there were more than three times that number with 36.  On August 28 2010 there were more than twenty four times that number with 242. On August 27 2009 there were more than eleven times that number with 119.

News for 22 August

Canada tops ten most-educated countries followed by Israel, Japan, the U.S., New Zealand and South Korea all of which have more than 40% of their citizens with a higher-education degree. The top 10 most-educated countries are:

1. Canada

2. Israel

3. Japan

4. United States

5. New Zealand

6. South Korea

7. United Kingdom

8. Finland

9. Australia

10. Ireland

News for 2 August

CalamityJane123 / BeautifulBurnout has found a Holocaust denying soul mate:

Responding to SonsOfOwainGlyndwr  02 August 2013 10:00am.

Well said, sir.

I am not surprised that she has found a soul mate in that modern day windbag from the valleys, SonsOfOwainGlyndwr, him of the “One is so impressed with your critique of myself,…”

One – who does he think he is, the Prince of Wales?

Like MrsB, SonsOfOwainGlyndwr is a modern day Holocaust denier comparing the two advertising vans on the streets of six London Boroughs for a week to the Final Solution:

Well at least one positive will come of all this, unemployment may well decrease by a few thousand in the construction industry as concentration camps and attendant gas chambers and ovens are built to irradiate once and for all the ‘illegal immigrant problem in this nation.

I think they have a word for it, namely, the Final Solution.

Small wonder he was accurately diagnosed with this quote from the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:

“Distinct from denial and distortion is misuse of the Holocaust. Misuse occurs when aspects of the Holocaust are compared to events, situations, or people where there is no genocide or genocidal intent. Holocaust denial, distortion, and misuse all undermine the understanding of history. Denial and distortion of the Holocaust almost always reflect antisemitism.

Update 1

Here’s one of the reasons RichJames might have asked for his CiF comment history to be deleted, namely to disguise the fact that, like BeautifulBurnout he’s been less than robust when it comes to opposing antisemitism:

Hillbilless
31 Mar 2013, 2:16PM

@Richjames if you think antisemitic attacks are “wrong”, why are you tying to downplay them?

What’s very interesting is that while the post remains as the last one on Hillbilless’ profile, the post has disappeared from the thread.

And look at Hillbilless’ previous post:

Hillbilless commented on The disturbing persistence of antisemitism in Europe.31 Mar 2013 2:07pm

The Holocaust is special. Nothing like it has ever happened before. There are always terrible atrocities, but that targetted, methodical, singling out of a group of people for extermination, every single one of them that can be found, with the aim of making them extinct all over the world is unprecedented. It hasn’t happened before or since. We should be reminded again and again about it. Never forget.

Doubtless the members of the clique considered Hillbilless too much of a danger to them.

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Anne Tanner – The Untrusted’s “Old Labour”

“This country has always been governed for the benefit of the South East, (and only the rich there!) the rest of us have to put up with any inconvenience, especially if someone is making money out of it.”

Doesn’t Anne Tanner live in Cardiff, South East Wales?

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The disgraceful montage equating the vans campaign with the systematic persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany was surprisingly posted by andylucia on that hotbed of armchair Marxism, The Untrusted site.  I say ‘surprisingly as CalamityJane123 / BeautifulBurnout, the UT’s spokesperson on all matters legal,  had herself posted on a different Guardian thread  that a change of wording, from the government’s ”In the UK illegally? Go home or face arrest”  – to – “Here in the UK illegally?  Avoid being arrested and forcibly removed by contacting us now.”, would make the campaign acceptable. Of course as a barrister she needs to be extra careful in being seen to support illegal activity of any kind.

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News for 9 July 2013

Managing online communities

A practical course for new or novice community managers on how to build and manage online communities using social media, comments and projects.   This practical course covers everything you need to know to establish and maintain strong communities using Facebook, Twitter, Google+ and more.

Will it cover the use of moderators to drive away the unwanted and censorship to ensure unfavourable views don’t get aired?

The course is run by Hannah Waldram a community coordinator on the news team at guardian.co.uk, helping to encourage user engagement on the site and the web around the news content. Hannah previously worked for the Guardian as thebeatblogger in Cardiff, and has also worked as a social reporter by Birmingham basedPodnosh, the editor of adance website and she also founded the hyperlocal website BournvilleVillage.com.

So not much management experience there then.

News for 9 July 2013

Why does MontanaWildhack always assume Britain’s Wimbledon champion is as foul mouthed as she?

Can’t say I ever found David Baddiel funny and this confirms it. Time was being a foul mouthed opportunist like this would end someone’s career.

News for 5 July 2013

Muslim TV station fined £85000 for allowing contributor to incite murder of those who “insult the Prophet Mohamed”  

A Muslim TV Channel which allowed its airwaves to be used by a hate preacher to incite the murder of those who “insult the Prophet Mohamed” has been fined £85,000 by the media regulator Ofcom.

The company was also fined a further £20,000 for other breaches of the broadcasting rules.

DM Digital, which is based in Manchester, broadcast a programme Mercy unto the Worlds, in October 2011, and another entitled POAF Conference, broadcast in November and December 2011.

The first programme featured a live lecture by Abdul Qadir Jilani, a so-called Islamic scholar, which included material that Ofcom considered was “likely to encourage or incite the commission of crime or to lead to disorder”.

Mr Jilani, said in the offending programme: “The matter of insulting the prophet does not fall in the category of terrorism. Those who cannot kill such men have no faith. It is your duty, the duty of those who recite the holy verse, to kill those who insult Prophet Mohammed. Under the guidance from Islamic texts it is evident that if a Muslim apostatises, then it is not right to wait for the authorised courts; anyone may kill him. An apostate deserves to be killed and any man may kill him.”

Terry Sanderson, President of the National Secular Society, said: “Inciting murder is against the law. Why aren’t the police knocking on Mr Jilani’s door? Why is he not under arrest? Surely he cannot be allowed to get away with such blatant call to kill innocent people? Other people have been sent to prison for far less than this.”

News for 4 July 2013

Muslim Brotherhood claimed new Egyptian president is Jewish and  part of an elaborate conspiracy involving Israel and the U.S.

The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood’s website briefly posted an article claiming that the country’s current interim president is Jewish. The article, which appeared Thursday on IkhwanOnline, has since been taken down; a translation is still available online. It claimed that Adly Mansour, the judge named Egypt’s interim president following the removal of Mohammed Morsi from office by the military, is Jewish. It also claimed that Mansour is in cahoots with Israel and the United States as part of an elaborate conspiracy.

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Le Monde: French Agency Spies on Phone Calls, E-mail, Web Use

At least Backtothepoint has some avid readers then.

News for 3 July 2013

New filial law sparks debate

Amended law protecting rights and interests of the elderly requires children to regularly visit their aging parents

Internet trolls: a guide to the different flavours

An article based on six years PhD research and totally lacking in originality.  Nothing here hasn’t been said on CiF thousands of times before.

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Girls shot in honour killing ‘were murdered for making video of themselves dancing in the rain’

“Two teenage sisters and their mother were murdered in a Pakistan “honour” killing after a video emerged of them dancing in the rain.”

Once more the “religion of peace” demonstrates its true face.

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Constable’s The Hay Wain painting defaced as Fathers4Justice step up action

And these are the men who expect the courts to let them have free access to their children? They should rename themselves Fathers4Vandalism.

If they’re prepared to abuse the nation’s treasures like this, why should the courts take the risk of giving them the opportunity to similarly abuse their children?

Paul Manning, a father who lost a child custody appeal two weeks ago, was arrested.  He complained about “having our own flesh and blood taken from us as if we were unfit fathers”.

As if? 

The attack  is the second on a work of art in a fortnight, coming after a painting of the queen by Ralph Heimans was vandalised with spray paint in Westminster Abbey in what was believed to be a Fathers4Justice protest. Tim Haries, 41, went before Southwark Crown Court in London charged with criminal damage to canvas.

Looking  forward to Ally Fogg’s article on these acts of criminal vandalism.

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News for 26 June 2013

Ability to throw objects ‘helped turn humans from second-rate primate into most successful species on the planet’

Compared to a chimpanzee, which can only throw objects at less than a third of the speed of a 12-year-old child, the human anatomy is finely tuned for the act of throwing.

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The local authority workers’ union, Unison, has won an equal pay case at the Supreme Court.

The decision paved the way for nearly 2,000 of Unison’s 2000 female members to share £12m in compensation after the seven-year case. The judgment has implications for many local authorities and other public bodies.

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Backtothepoint  on his French / British nationality

Have to find a way of letting you know about my status(es) less publicly. I don’t like giving out too must information about myself, since at least a couple of posters have already publicly expressed an interest in “making enquiries about me”.

Well one must have been from the anti-terrorism people and the other, at a guess, the About Face Communist Preservation Society?

 News for 22 June 2013

How the Levenson Inquiry promoted the welfare of a few celebrities and masked the real criminal activity of the UK’s law firms.   

The Independent understands that one of the key hackers mentioned in the report has admitted that 80 per cent of his client list was taken up by law firms, wealthy individuals and insurance firms while only 20 per cent of clients were from the media.

News for 15 June 2013

Rod Liddle writes in the Spectator.

Not a journal I normally quote from but this short article is worth a read.

I do not understand why we are so desperate to exculpate an ideology which, at the very least, lends itself too easily to a messianic authoritarianism and viciousness. There may be much in Islam which is agreeable — a respect for the elderly, a commitment to charity, a certain high seriousness, self-discipline and so on — but many of its tenets are simply antithetical to much that we believe in and cherish.

We make these distinctions (‘moderate’ and ‘extremist’; Islam and ‘Islamism’) to avoid giving offence and to urge quiescence upon the atheists and Christians and Jews — the cattle *. But in the end it does not help us to do so: we are evading the point.

*  Mehdi Hasan; he is left-liberal, impeccably PC. He denounces violence committed in the name of Islam and he has — rather bravely — picked away at the latent (and not so latent) anti-Semitism within the Muslim world. He was recorded a few years back delivering a speech in which he referred to unbelievers — kuffars — as ‘unintelligent’ and ‘cattle’. He was quoting from the Koran.

News for 12 June 2013

More on the recent exchanges on health matters

Significantly fewer people now playing sport regularly than before last year’s Olympic Games

Overall the numbers of people exercising for 30 minutes once a week fell by 100,000 to 15.3 million over the same period, or by an even greater margin of 200,000 since October. The number of those exercising three times a week also fell.

News for 14 June 2013

Rise in child obesity-related hospital admissions

In 2009, nearly 4,000 young people needed hospital treatment for problems complicated by being overweight compared with just 872 in 2000.

Rates of obesity surgery also went up, especially for teenage girls.

Doctors say the UK has the highest rate of child obesity in Western Europe.

A team led by Dr Sonia Saxena, of Imperial College London, analysed statistics on all NHS admissions for obesity – as a primary cause or alongside conditions that had been complicated by obesity – in hospitals in England and Wales over a 10-year period in patients aged five to 19

The UK has the highest rate of child obesity in Western Europe, which is estimated to cost the NHS about £4.2bn a year.

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News for 11 June 2013

Two-thirds of the 150,000 deaths a year among under-75s in England are potentially avoidable, with better health interventions and changes in lifestyles capable of cutting the toll by tens of thousands, according to the government’s new public health body.

Manchester has the worst figures for overall premature mortality in England.

Zoe Patrick, who chairs the Local Government Association’s community wellbeing board, said the data must be used with caution. “The reality is that in many cases it could take years before we see reductions in the number of those suffering with conditions like cancer or heart disease as a result of new public health initiatives.”

I believe a 60 year old smoker who gives up today can expect a ten year increase in life expectancy. So much for Zoe Patrick’s expertise.

News for 5 June 2013

From the Guardian:

Counter-terrorism police arrest man over extremist material

Arrest follows detention of Abu Nusaybah, who was charged with terrorism offences after comments on Woolwich attack suspect. This part of an investigation into the dissemination of extremist material.

I guess Backtothepoint must be more than a little concerned after his comment on the Twin Towers:

When, like the USA, you encourage, fund and arm terrorism, you really shouldn’t whine when it turns round and bites you in the arse.

from:  What do you want to talk about?  backtothepoint’s comment 2 May 2011 12:29PM

News for 31 May 2013

BeautifulBurnout, the Guardian’s foremost legal expert and a Bar Council Barrister defends Drummer Lee Rigby’s killers as ” Two Nigerian Muslim nut cases attacking a bloke in the street” 

I could produce some relevant comparisons to illustrate this flippant attitude towards the murder of a British soldier on the streets of his capital city but I’ll leave that task for you to find your own.

But her attempt to reduce this carefully planned and executed murder to an act of insanity, is a very accurate indication of where her sympathies lie.

Thanks to commercialgnosticism for bringing the post to my attention.

News for 1 June 2013

Swedinburgh Below the Line

 “Finally settled down to study engineering, in case I ever grow up.”

I’m always suspicious when I can’t find mention of a poster in all the posts I’ve made on CiF, especially one who’s  been posting for over three and a half years.

But in his profile is this recent comment that puts him well in the Backtothepoint field of moral equivalence.

The cheek of it is, if/when a drone pilot is killed on the streets of suburban Las Vegas on his way home from a long, hard day of remote control airstrikes, that, too, will be called “terrorism”. 

And this just three days after the killing of Drummer Lee Rigby, slaughtered on the streets of Woolwich after a long hard day of drumming. No doubt Swedinburgh doesn’t consider this to be an act of terrorism either.

At times like this I always like to quote Peter Bracken:

Ask yourself this. When a suicide bomber walks into a bar and triggers the explosive that slaughters a score of relaxing drinkers is he any different from the American soldier who kills a household with a wayward mortar? If you can look beyond the outrageous complacency of the question, I think you will say he is different – culpably, objectively and, needless to say, morally.

Swedinburgh answers the question What’s the most annoying thing commenters do? with:

Expecting others to be their Google slaves.

Sadly had he done his own Google search he’d have come across the following paper and quote on Drone (UAS) technology developments:

“Unmanned Aircraft System ( UAS) can aid forces in combat and perform strike missions against pre-planned or high value opportunities, minimizing risk of collateral damage when it is a major consideration.”

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Anne Tanner writes:

Paul – please stop accusing people of insulting you by telling you stuff you know. None of us can possibly know the exact ‘catalogue’ of another’s knowledge. I don’t think any of us here is trying to belittle you. Sometimes it just feels like you are trying to shut people up. I don’t think you are but it is tilting at windmills. 🙂

For someone who repeatedly preaches basic Marxism like a Chinese school teacher – ie totally didactic, Ms Tanner seems to me to be the last person to protest about complaints that she’s telling us all something we already know.

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News for 27 May 2013

National Secular Society calls for Baroness Warsi – and her post of Minister for Faith – to go

The refusal of Baroness Warsi, the “Minister for Faith and Communities” to steer the flagship same-sex marriage bill through the House of Lords was condemned today by the National Secular Society……..

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 Backtothepoint  – the apologist for suicide bombers writes –  27 May 2013 8:25pm

@BeautifuiBurnout – Hmm. The only poster I know who is that obsessed with BB is creepy stalker bitethehand. But I can’t imagine him writing “c’mon”. Are you a relative or accomplice of bth? I don’t ask if you’re a friend for obvious reasons.

Here’s what Backtothepoint wrote about his intention to ignore me way back in October 2010:

<blockquote>I asked the mods to have a word with bitey and tell him to stop the personal abuse with me. It seems to have worked without him getting banned, which is all to the good (for me at least, since I can now ignore him).</blockquote>

To which  I responded:

What a pathetic statement from someone who spends a good part of his life exercising his right to free speech in a free press, by posting both here and at what is colloquially known as the other place. I wonder where this person was when the vast majority of posters on Natalie Hanman’s first piece as the new CiF editor, were demanding an end to the current moderation policy. Presumably he was busy composing his <i>”word with the mods”.</i>

There is a time and a place for personal abuse and in my book this aspiring censor qualifies for neither, so I won’t waste my time.

And if anyone else wants to know why I’m posting this here, it’s because the censors in the country where I’m currently living won’t allow me to access the place where this piece of pathetic self pity was posted. But my censors have no problem with The Guardian – except when it’s being ultra critical of the current Chinese government, when individual articles do get blocked.

And while I’ll fully accept that being critical of the attempted use of the moderators to pursue a personal case of limiting freedom of speech is probably off topic for this thread, although it might make a good article ATL, it seems no more so than for instance the discussion about how to make gravy.

And I see that on 29 May, he’s still apologising and now defending the Twin Towers murderers by suggesting that somehow those who captured and flew the planes were somehow manipulated into doing so.

News for 13 May 2013

EvaWilt asks on You Tell Us

13 May 2013 12:50pm:

Bella – is there going to be a piece about Leni?

I can’t imagine any of her friends on the Untrusted being able to write one –  but I probably will. As she wrote so perceptively on the first day of March:

We can list a string of names responsible for cruelty and terror – and sometimes indifference to the fate of others – but simply playing the blame game solves nothing .
Leni Farrer  – Ideas for 1-4 March.01 Mar 2013 11:16pm

News for 9 May 2013

From Thaumaturge

Hi Natalie and Iraandoost – Bella did dedicate the thread starting 26th April to Leni/afancdogge and unfortunately it was trolled. Fortunately most of it was deleted the moderators. (You won’t hear me praising mods often, but this is an exception.)

And of course the deleted posts included this comment from Thaumaturge: by far the most abusive:

“You despicable arse”

To which the extremely polite response was :

That is not something that the late <b>Leni Farrer </b>would have posted; she was by far a more sophisticated responder.

Of course she wouldn’t have minded a “god bless”, her entire posting history was a recognition that minorities, like pagans, must expect to be abused.

And she did it with considerable grace.

Sadly this was also deleted by the moderators but others can judge who was desecrating the thread set up to honour Leni Farrer’s long history of posting on Comment is Free.

News for 8 May 2013

Leni Farrer – On minority languages

There is a serious point to be made about this article, particularly for those who belong to a minority language group. Our mother tongue is a key element of our identity, our native culture is recorded in it. Minority groups have been persecuted, been forced to change their names and otherwise hide within the majority. Some Bulgarian Roma do this today. There are many more examples. There are efforts being made to revive Cornish, The Welsh are fighting hard to keep their language and often draw some very nasty fire in the press, particularly re. the cost this involves. Languages, like people, do very often have to fight to survive. Sometimes the fight is the same. Languages are attached to people.

afancdogge, 25 January 2008 2:53am

Leni Farrer On Sleep

Sleep it is a blessed thing and all that. Sleep, or lack of it, has featured in myth, story and poetry for ever. It is obviously something which has preoccupied us for a long time. We also have the moralising attitude which decries the night owl. “Early to bed…” I am a night owl, something of a free runner now I don’t have to get off to work in the morning at a given time. Self employment has its advantages. I can find myself out of sync with the busy day time world but can’t break myself from my love of the silent hours after midnight. To blame gadgets seems a poor excuse for demanding that we all obey the same rules. There have always been things around to keep ua awake at night. The over riding technological advance was the discovery of lighting. Cave men no doubt welcomed the warm glow of the camp fire, around which they gathered to set the world to rights or hack away at flints. My “best bit” is waking up, the feeling of comfort and just the right temperature. Often I feel so tired that the effort of going to bed is too much. Once I’m over that stage I can generally keep going for several more hours. There is now the additional lure of waiting for CiFers from other times zones

News for 6 May 2013

I see that after a period of absence, MontanaWildhack has returned to the Untrusted site to publish a very clear rebuke to Dean Hancock.

While the racist HankScorpio – “Maybe hermione can take you on as her houseboy” PaulBJ, returns, predictably to advise Deano:  “I wouldn’t bother either trying to defend yourself against charges of racism or anti-Semitism”.

And listen to the deafening silence from the cabal’s leader, the scourge of the BNP – “Sending you hugs. Stay strong, brother. x”

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Dean Hancock posts on the Untrusted site as part of his announcement of the latest news of the memorial service for Leni Farrer:

……… she will have the last laugh over our censorious pimp in China.

This “pimp” through recruiting Chinese students to study in British schools, colleges and universities for a total of over 34 years has contributed close on £1.3 million to the UK economy.

Of course this in no way compares to the amount of alcohol duty that Dean Hancock will have paid over the same period, but the outcome for the students will be a greatly enhanced life whereas for Mr Hancock it will be a greatly foreshortened one.

Dean Hancock is an abusive, sexist, racist drunk.   

News for 5 May 2013

Dean Hancock posts on the Untrusted site as part of his announcement of the latest news of the memorial service for Leni Farrer:

……… she will have the last laugh over our censorious pimp in China.

This “pimp” through recruiting Chinese students to study in British schools, colleges and universities for a total of over 34 years has contributed close on £1.3 million to the UK economy.

Of course this in no way compares to the amount of alcohol duty that Dean Hancock will have paid over the same period, but the outcome for the students will be a greatly enhanced life whereas for Mr Hancock it will be a greatly foreshortened one.

Dean Hancock is an abusive, sexist, racist drunk.   

News for 30 April

An Update

It should be remembered by those considering that she has a point, that it was MrsB who when a truce was offered rejected it out of hand. Furthermore, who was it who posted the following:

Those who seek to divide, cast asunder, obfuscate, lie and create discord, and who seek snidely to sully her memory are not fit to lick her shoes.

For shame, Bitey. This time you stoop too low.

This in response to the following vebatim quote from Leni Farrer:

When I first came to CiF long posts and interesting discussions were the norm – I learned a lot in areas I had little experience of and in some cases came to understand why others held views opposed to mine . I might not have come to agree with them but could see why they believed as they did . The aim of the discussion then became to try to bridge the gap .

But – all gone . We seem assailed on all sides by trite nonsense – I say this as someone who values the role of nonsense and silliness in our lives – in addition to the serious and thought arousing . I love the creative and the ponderous both . In short I am disappointed in CiF.

So if anyone sullied her memory though her inability to promote her own agenda, it was BeautifulBurnout.

BeautifulBurnout

(As an aside, I am really, really glad that you haven’t posted on Bitey’s site over the past few days, because the way he has used the death of someone we loved, respected and cared about as a way of getting at people on here and on CiF has been far and away the nastiest, most repugnant thing I have ever seen him do. And I should know.

I have as much right to post about Leni Farrer as anyone and far more than most, given the exchanges we had over the years. What has upset you and your Untrusted friends MrsB is that I refused to allow you to decide the agenda about how tributes were made to Leni and who would make them.  Furthermore your collective inability to control your tempers meant that you ended up posting abusive comments both on your own site and on the You Tell Us pages specifically set up to post tributes to Leni. And it’s something  that clearly you already regret.  The fact is that the world does not revolve around you and your UT friends, however much you’d like it to.

It is almost up there with the kind of brain-dead 4Chan-esque pillocks who go onto someone’s facebook page after they have died to write shit about them. And he’s still at it today.)

No it’s nothing of the kind, although I’m sure you wish it had been, in order to cover up your inability to moderate your own behaviour.  And for someone who was “dancing on the grave” of the late Prime Minister just c few days ago, you’re hardly in a position to instruct people on how to pay respect to the deceased.  Saying “God Bless” to someone who has publicly stated she’s a pagan or maybe an agnostic (I believe you can be both), is the kind of crude insensitivity Leni would have disliked and she would have stated why. For me it’s in the same category as calling a Welsh person “English”, (happens all the time in China) or asking a Hindu for her “Christian” name,  or saying of someone from a different ethnic group , “you all look the same to me”.

And while anyone is welcome to post on my site, as I’ve said before it’s not why I set it up, or indeed something I encourage.

frog222 – another craving publicity over Leni Farrer’s death:

I’m very happy to be judged by who my friends are . A small glance at the editorial side of the Biteysite would seriously worry my kids if on my death they might think he was ever a mate of mine .

The malevolence is so obvious.

And weren’t you the one Frog who was moderated on Leni’s tribute thread for being abusive?

Some friend of hers you are – I think children with any self-respect would have disowned you long ago.

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And not to be out done, here’s thaumaturge (also deleted)

You despicable arse. 

That is not something that the late Leni Farrer would have posted;  she was by far a more sophisticated and respectful responder.

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And Chekhov

You missed out thirdly…she took on the vile and inmentionable and totally eviserated him (we all know whom I’m talking of) and hung him out to dry …but not before leaving him with a fig leaf of humanity that he might cling to…and we all know what he did with that!

Got chapter and verse on that Chekhov or were you having a creative evening and made it up all by yourself?

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And Frog222 again

I confess to becoming a little annoyed that the hypocritical bth ( who I usually think of as ntf — nibblethefingers) was posting on YTU from Leni’s archive, when the little sod had been meanly and dishonestly attacking her only a few weeks before . Kicking self, because I should have saved his nastiness.

So I snapped, got modded, no sweat !

Well if you can drag yourself out of the Best Pub for long enough  perhaps you could post the evidence of my dishonesty?

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And the 13thDukeofWybourne

Wales has lost one of her very best and I will raise a toast to Leni this weekend. God bless.

Leni Farrer was a pagan and an agnostic – if you want to treasure her memory don’t sully it with religious mumbo jumbo.

afancdogge commented on Ideas for 22-25 June.23 Jun 2012 4:56pm 10

On (some) Christians and love.

When my husband died the local vicar refused to officiate at his funeral service – on the grounds that D and I were Pagans.

His grounds for refusal ? D had carved a large dragon for the local school – this in Wales. The children still love the dragon.

Leni

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On Human Rights and the Religious

The idea of Goddess worshippers falling into poverty seems more like a statement of intent than anything else. This tactic still exists – worship the wrong god/goddess and you will have fewer rights – this will lead to your impoverishment or possible banishment from society and therefore your livelihood.

Promises of Justice to follow in the after life may comfort some but does not alleviate suffering in this one . Worse than that it enables believers and those who control them to avoid completely inequalities and injustice. They are enabled to avoid responsibility for cruel and repressive behaviour – because ‘God said ‘.

I am not suggesting that all believers deny their human responsibilities – many are aware that any expression of the Divine – however understood – can only be expressed through human activity and attitudes to ‘other’ – all other.

News for 28 March

BTL with Cif contributors: ‘a choir of angels or a fanfare would be nice’

Our new feature showcases some of the personalities who operate ‘below the line’. 

Deleting your online presence – share your experiences – the Guardian investigates

Having recently deleted the entire posting history of BeautifulBurnout, an act of censorship of it’s own historical record, the Guardian has set up an investigation into the matter:   (Well not actually “the matter” but something similar)

Your online profile can be an increasingly useful tool in controlling your image, but what if you wanted to delete the ‘online’ you and start over again? Help the Guardian news team investigate profile deletion processes

To share your story with the Guardian contact mark.rice-oxley@guardian.co.uk or owen.bowcott@guardian.co.uk

I’ve invited Mark Rice-Oxley and Owen Bowcott to have a read of this site to save them some time in their investigation.

News for 23 March

Ally Fogg whose website Heteronormative Partiarchy I post on from time to time and whose articles I read with interest, has blocked me from following him on twitter.  He joins the editorial staff on Comment is Free, who have done the same.

In the light of a recent cyber attack on people visiting this site by that dreaded rhymester MasterOfRhyme, I have updated the About page.

An update on the Guardian’s censorship in advance of the Government’s post Levenson capitulation

News for 9 March

This was also posted on the Untrusted site on 9 March 2013, but my travels prevented my catching it until today. It was prompted by on 11 posts all day on a site that on busy weekend might attract over 300 a day.

Rexmundi posted:

Oh this is terrible. This thing is dying on it’s arse.
Where are the characters? The nutjobs the misogynists the trolls?
Come back Hank you fat tosser, all is forgiven.
Christ, even Bitey.

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News for 5 March

Gaza marathon: UN cancels race over Hamas ban on women. 

No mixing’

“We regret this decision to cancel the marathon but we don’t want men and women running together,” Abdessalam Siyyam, cabinet secretary of the Hamas government, told AFP news agency.

WOMEN’S RIGHTS in AFGHANISTAN

In 2000 there were roughly 5,000 girls in school.

In 2012 there are roughly 3.2 million girls in school.

News for 22 February

SquirrelNutZipper joins the Hall of Shame

SquirrelNutZipper 21 February 2013 5:42pm

GreatGramps just started posting on 31/12/2012 and he/she/it is complaining about cliques?…….. and nesting was introduced a full 4 weeks prior to your first sign-on.
Unless, of course, you’re a returnee from Ultimate Moderation with a new-look visage and the same old frothy bile.

The original post has been deleted but this follow-up is still there:

Needless to say the moderators obliged and banned GreatGramps.

News for 21 February

from – Royal Bodies – Hilary Mantel

For a time it was hoped, and it was feared, that Diana had changed the nation. Her funeral was a pagan outpouring, a lawless fiesta of grief. We are bad at mourning our dead. We don’t make time or space for grief. The world tugs us along, back into its harsh rhythm before we are ready for it, and for the pain of loss doctors can prescribe a pill. We are at war with our nature, and nature will win; all the bottled anguish, the grief dammed up, burst the barriers of politeness and formality and restraint, and broke down the divide between private and public, so that strangers wailed in the street, people who had never met Diana lamented her with maladjusted fervour, and we all remembered our secret pain and unleashed it in one huge carnival of mass mourning. But in the end, nothing changed. We were soon back to the prosaic: shirtsleeves, stacking chairs, little sticks. And yet none of us who lived through it will forget that dislocating time, when the skin came off the surface of the world, and our inner vision cleared, and we saw the archetypes clear and plain, and we saw the collective psyche at work, and the gods pulling our strings. To quote Stevie Smith again:

An antique story comes to me
And fills me with anxiety,
I wonder why I fear so much
What surely has no modern touch?

In looking at royalty we are always looking at what is archaic, what is mysterious by its nature, and my feeling is that it will only ever half-reveal itself. This poses a challenge to historians and to those of us who work imaginatively with the past. Royal persons are both gods and beasts. They are persons but they are supra-personal, carriers of a blood line: at the most basic, they are breeding stock, collections of organs.

News for 19 February

Pistorius case and the plague of violence against women, By Frida Ghitis,

Brutal attacks against girls and women have stirred the world’s conscience with increasing frequency in recent months.

There is no question that many societies are finally becoming fed up with the much-too-common practice of attacking, raping and killing women that goes on in all corners of the world.

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Julian Assange police guard at Ecuadorian embassy nears £3m cost

The cost of policing the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has been staying for
almost eight months, has reached £2.9 million, Scotland Yard said today.

Metropolitan Police officers have been stationed outside the embassy in Knightsbridge around the clock since last June.

The Met said that the estimated total cost of policing the Ecuadorian embassy between last June and the end of January is £2.9 million, of which £2.3 million is opportunity costs – police officer pay costs that would be incurred in normal duties – and £0.6 million in overtime.

A spokesman at the Ecuadorian embassy told the Press Association: “The Ecuadorian government is concerned by the significant cost to the taxpayers of London of policing the embassy at the present time.

News for 16 February

Hundreds of staff testify to abusive culture at BBC

“Over 850 of you got in touch one way or another and gave your thoughts on respect, behaviour and culture at the BBC today, including issues such as harassment (including sexual harassment) and bullying,” wrote Adams.

One member of the BBC’s staff described the scale of the response as “staggering”. They told The Independent: “These are people with real stories and details of harassment and bullying who are living with the scars of an abusive management culture.”

News for 9 February

Man on £122,434 and woman on £142,363 lead campaign against austerity

This is a call to all those millions of people in Britain who face an impoverished and uncertain year as their wages, jobs, conditions and welfare provision come under renewed attack by the government. With some 80% of austerity measures still to come, and with the government lengthening the time they expect cuts to last, we are calling a People’s Assembly Against Austerity to bring together campaigns against cuts and privatisation with trade unionists in a movement for social justice. We aim to develop a strategy for resistance to mobilise millions of people against the Con Dem government.

The assembly will provide a national forum for anti-austerity views which, while increasingly popular, are barely represented in parliament. A People’s Assembly can play a key role in ensuring that this uncaring government faces a movement of opposition broad enough and powerful enough to generate successful co-ordinated action, including strike action. The assembly will be ready to support co-ordinated industrial action and national demonstrations against austerity, if possible synchronising with mobilisations across Europe. The People’s Assembly Against Austerity will meet at Central Hall, Westminster, on 22 June (register at http://www.coalitionofresistance.org.uk).”

Among those calling for an end to austerity are:

Len McCluskey General secretary, Unite the Union – £122,434,
Mark Serwotka General secretary, PCS – £116,429
Christine Blower General secretary, NUT – £142,363
Bob Crow General secretary, RMT – £121,687

I might be more convinced about the sincerity of the signatories if each would pledge to take a cut in salary to the minimum wage until the objectives of the campaign are achieved.

News for 5 February

So Who Did Post it – and to whom does it refer?

Posted by MsChin on the Untrusted, 28 January 2013

Now who was it who said this and who were they talking about, I wonder?

” .. who was usually irritating on CiF became something of a cyberstalker on the Untrusted and I think we are seeing the rise of the undead, as I had suspected would happen (where’s my stake?). We have become an obsession for him and he really thinks he’s clever fooling everyone by taking on new identities. But there are clues if you look carefully enough – not the least of which is that most of us tend to fall asleep reading his posts. 

Aren’t we lucky we don’t know him in real life? He’d probably take to murdering us one by one or perhaps I’ve been reading too many thrillers”.

So far no one has offered an answer 🙂

News for 3 February

SheffP commenting on Nick Cohen’s article – Why ‘leftists revolutionaries’ are not the best feminists
My main gripe with the article was NC’s generalisations about the ‘left’ – not all of us operate like Leninist cabals by any means – lots of us have a widish streak of anarchism running through us

I’d have thought given the UT’s history of censorship and bannings, a streak of Stalinism would be a more appropriate description.

News for 29 January

An interesting article by Tory MP Jesse Norman:

Yet there has been an astonishing official reluctance to undertake a public review of the reasons why the crash occurred, the failures involved and the lessons learned. Phone hacking, yes; the greatest shock to the UK economy for 60 years, and arguably in modern times, no.

So where are the Labour MPs demanding such radical action?

News for 27 January

Deborah Orr tweeted:

“I love @allyfogg so much that I even crave his criticisms … Which are always accurate, damn him. “

To which I replied:

“You mean the same AllyFogg who’s the greatest supporter of the “Men’s Rights crowd online?” And posted a link to my recent  Ally Fogg re-defines sexism article.

And got the response from Ms Orr:

“Much more sensible than your “Gender doesn’t exist” crowd.”

But as her article was entitled “Misogyny stinks, but we need to say more than ‘This is horrible, poor us'”, it’s somewhat strange for her to come out with such prejudice. After all I don’t have any any “crowd”, and certainly not one that considers “Gender doesn’t exist”.

News for 25 January

Ann Tanner (AT42) once more eulogising about her late grandfather miner,  quoting Laurie Penny

I am the grand daughter of a miner, he worked damned hard every day of his life.

That’s why i liked the article especially: “How hard a person works is not and never has been proportional to a person’s salary: it is, as today’s politicians understand very well, proportional to their power and privilege. We don’t like to talk about power in this country, though; instead, we talk about “hard work”

Except when you look at small business start ups when there is a direct correlation between the hours put in and the likelyhood of success.

News for 15 January

kizbot, 14 January 2013 7:31 pm on You Tell Us:

Bitey stewed his own goose with his stalking of another commenter. Some of the unfounded and, frankly, bigoted accusations in response to that were very ugly but that doesn’t excuse his stalking…
Now apart from kizbot getting her geese and her juices mixed up, metaphors clearly not being her forte, she needs to have a look at this:

News for 10 January

Double Standards from the Untrusted’s BeautifulBurnout

BeautifulBurnout on CiF’s Funny men behaving boorishly demonstrating her right-on anti-sexist credentials and principles:

If I hear my teenage son (or, more likely, some of his friends) uttering any of these so-called ironic sexist jokes I pull them up on it in the strongest terms, because to me it is unacceptable.

And would this also apply to racist jokes, ironic or otherwise about which she’s always been far more condemnatory?

Here’s The Untrusted’s HankScorpio who MrsB has met and says she respects, even considers to be a friend, calling another member of the Untrusted a “paki” and another a “houseboy”:

Racism is in the eye of the beholden, sheff. Having said that, I did call habib a paki when, in extremis, I got a bit pissed off with him stalking my every comment.

And here he is abusing a black fellow poster:

Suits me. Fuck off back to waddya. As I said earlier, you’ll be more at home there. Maybe hermione can take you on as her houseboy.

So where is BeautifulBurnout’s post “pulling-up” Hankscorpio for his racism, against which she claims to have been fighting for most of her life?

News for 8 January

Social Attitudes and Trends among China’s fifth of the world’s population

A growing number of men expect their wives to earn more money but not more than they do.

Less than 1 percent of men said they hope their future spouses will earn more than they do, while the ratio of men expecting to find a wife who makes as much as men increased from 18.3 percent in 2005 to 25.7 percent in 2010.

Women’s income expectations for their spouses did not show any notable trends.Forty-four percent of female respondents said they believe their husbands should earn more money than they do.

Women respondents generally said they want to marry men older than them, but the anticipated age difference between men and women has narrowed in recent years.

More than 35,000 randomly selected users participated in the survey, and the analysis was based on31,435 respondents between the ages of 18 and 40.

News for 6 January

3UK takes a leaf from MontanaWildhack’s book of censorship

MontanaWildhack posted:

Chekohv, (sic) at the end of yesterday’s thread (despite the fact that today’s was already up by the time he posted this):

Errr….I’ve been trying to think this through and to be honest I’m not sure if my logic stands up to scrutiny but feel free to put me right……….so, what you are saying is that censorship on the internet is “chilling”…so what is the difference between censorship on 3UK and censorship on UT?….aren’t they both the same? 

Really?  You can’t see the difference between an ISP blocking ALL of its customers’ access to any website it wants unless people divulge personal details and one tiny little blog telling someone who has been a persistent pest and who has driven other people away that they are no longer welcome to post on it?

You can’t see that an ISP that does this will, quite possibly, simply decide in the future that it will just block any website it wants with no option for people to gain access to it and that this will severely restrict access to information to thousands, if not millions, of people?

Whereas, a blog that has maybe a dozen or so regular readers telling someone who has been a persistent pest and bully that they are no longer free to spout their crap on that one tiny little blog still leaves a great, big internet full of sites for that pest to spout their shit on and doesn’t, in any meaningful way, restrict that person’s access to information or ability to express him or herself?  Indeed, that person can start their own blog, where they are free to spout any shit they want to 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

It’s been explained to you ad nauseam by other people.  I can only conclude at this point that, despite this:

BTW; I’m not having a pop at you but as you are no doubt aware freedom of speech is an issue that close to my heart and also open to many interpretations and clarification is one of them.

you are, indeed, just having a pop at me.

Montana Wildhack in the second post ever on her UT site.

Hey, no problem! And I promise not to censor comments. Help me let people know that it’s here, okay

Chekhov responded:

“you are, indeed, just having a pop at me”
You needn’t take it so personally…..I was having a pop at censorship generally.

Whilst I have a lot of sympathy with the arguments and reasoning most of the contributors to this site subscribe to with regard to “moderating” policy, I don’t agree with them.

Furthermore, I really don’t see the difference between censorship on a “tiny little blog” and censorship on an ISP site……the principle is exactly the same…….although admittedly for different reasons.

I have already said I accept that it’s your blog and you make the rules up……….what I struggle with is how you can complain about another site doing exactly what you do……..

….censorship is censorship….which ever way you slice it….the scale is irrelevant.

Leaving the ever so refined Montana to reply:  (Since deleted)

News for 5 January

High-end products, infrastructure are targeted sectors, diplomat says

China’s investment in the United Kingdom will continue its “explosive” growth, with high-end manufacturing and infrastructure leading the way, a senior diplomat predicted. The UK is the most open economy, and also the most market oriented,” in Europe, said Zhou Xiaoming, minister counselor of the Chinese embassy in the UK. “It is estimated that the Chinese capital that flew into the country in 2011 reached $6.5 billion”. And the momentum will probably be sustained in the coming years. As a country that is proud of innovation and design, the UK is a “good place” for Chinese manufacturers to set up research and design departments.

News for 4 January

Ally Fogg Defends the sensitive menz against the self-righteous bullies of Tumblr and their feminist apologists

The India Rape Controversy – Ally Fogg v Owen Jones

News for 1 January 

After two days of almost continual Marxist-Leninist doctrine initiated by the real or the masquerading Ivo Petkovski during which sundry Untrusteds heaped praise on and agreement with the historical and inevitable role of the working class in liberating the rest of human kind from the oppression of capitalism, we get the following about turn from RedMiner, with which all the comrades immediately agreed:

And all this must end because the current working class are celebrity-obsessed morons, distracted by puerile crap served up in the slop bucket of advertising.

RedMiner continues with a long defence of the unemployed on which again the comrades heap praise, strangely forgetting the analysis Marx wrote about in his work from which Ann Tanner’s most frequently quotes:

“The “dangerous class”, the social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of the old society, may, here and there, be swept into the movement by a proletarian revolution; its conditions of life, however, prepare it far more for the part of a bribed tool of reactionary intrigue.”

News for 31 December

MontanaWildhack

In case anybody’s wondering — I’ve just banned smtx’s latest incarnation and deleted all of her posts. If she wants to exercise her right to free speech, the demented little bully can go spout her shit on ShiteyBitey’s site.

Sheffpixie

Montana – I kind of thought VictoriaStation was smtx. I know she can be a pain but the posts I read earlier didn’t seem worthy of banishing. Did she say something offensive that I missed?

Chekhov

Well since you have now officially acknowledged that this site is moderated, it might be an idea to post some regulations for what is and what is not acceptable.

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So has China Finally started to put some pressure on North Korea? 

“The North Korean leader has delivered a new year’s message on state TV, the first such broadcast for 19 years.

“Kim Jong-un, in power since 2011, spoke of the need to improve the economy and also to reunify the Koreas, warning that confrontation only led to war.”

Does this indicate that at last the people of North Korea have seen enough of the world outside of their dictatorship to start demanding the kind of change that their neighbours in China have come to enjoy since its  “Reform and Opening up”?

News for 30 December

Ratio of women to men born in the post-70s  China is 206 to 100.

There are 249 million unmarried Chinese people above the age of 18, with men more anxious than women to date, to be in a relationship and get married, said a joint report released byJiayuan.com and the National Population and Family Planning Commission.

The 2012-2013 Report on Marriage Values among Young Chinese said that among the unmarried population born in the post-70s, post-80s and post-90s years, there are 23.15 million more males than females. The unbalance of males and females is obvious, and the ratio among those born in the post-70s is 206 to 100.

This and the ageing population, both unintended consequences of the One Child Family policy.

News for 29 December

Complaints of crimes involving Facebook and Twitter increases 780% in just four years

And 99% generated by Backtothepoint and BeautifulBurnout   :lol:

News for 27 December

UK weather: rain prompts fears of landslides and further floods

A landslide warning has been issued by the Met Office, as continued heavy downpours sparked fears of unstable cliff faces.

Boxing Day walkers were urged to take extra care in “dangerous conditions” with flooding set to worsen across parts of England and Wales on Wednesday.

The Met Office, which issued the warning following advice from the British Geological Survey, said coastal areas in the south-west of England are in particular danger of collapsing cliff edges and rockfall, but stressed that all areas enduring heavy rain are at risk.

The photograph shows a section of South West Coast Path on the Roseland Peninsula  that had slipped by about 2 metres in the early morning of  8 December 2012.

News for 26 December

To censor or not to censor a dilemma for the Untrusted

Chekhov

Oh dear….did some one just get “zapped”…..bring ‘em on ….I say……we are surely big enough and generous enough to take on all comers without being “snooty” about who says what and to whom!

and

Chekhov

If this site is getting censored, it’s not the one I signed up to and as much as I’ve enjoyed your company I’m not much interested any more in summat that doesn’t sell what is “on the tin”!
Sorry about that………really…..really….sorry about that,

Prompting

Bitterweed

censor my arse

Montana Wildhack in the second post ever on the UT site.

Hey, no problem! And I promise not to censor comments. Help me let people know that it’s here, okay

And MrsBootstraps should try replacing “pub” with “Speakers’ Corner” in her juvenile analogy, which would lead her to a different conclusion.

News for 23 December

Was George Monbiot wise to call the US President Barack Obama a murderer?

Monbiot writes:

“Mere words cannot match the depths of your sorrow, nor can they heal your wounded hearts … These tragedies must end. And to end them, we must change.” Every parent can connect with what President Barack Obama said about the murder of 20 children in Newtown, Connecticut. There can scarcely be a person on earth with access to the media who is untouched by the grief of the people of that town.

It must follow that what applies to the children murdered there by a deranged young man also applies to the children murdered in Pakistan by a sombre American president. These children are just as important, just as real, just as deserving of the world’s concern.

But wait, a few lines down Monbiot admits to maybe getting wrong his accusation of “children murdered in Pakistan by a sombre American president”, with the rather less emotive “Obama does not kill children deliberately”.

Are there shades of George Monbiot and Lord McAlpine here?

No doubt we will hear in due course.

But will George Monbiot now write in such strong terms about the gunmen who killed nine health workers in Pakistan in order to stop the United Nations anti-polio vaccination campaign?  And about the long term impact on children if polio isn’t eradicated.

Even More News for 22 December

AllyFogg has written an extensive case study in two parts, about a man who rapes a women while she’s asleep.

Here

and

Here

There are remarkable similarities to the Julian Assange case here but its not mentioned in either part.

Yet despite 2600 words from Ally, there’s also no mention of marital rape.

This is surprising as women who have been raped within marriage, appear to be saying that it is all too common. And compared to the rape that prompted Ally to write about so extensively, marital rape in comparison, is still a major issue.

Ally takes exception to the suggestion that 50% of men have raped a sleeping women.

Maybe he’s right, maybe he’s wrong.

But he bases his claim on the unusual scenario, much like the Assange case, of two virtual strangers ending up in bed with each other.  We’re not told,  with any precision how this happened, although this might have been described in the original article about which Ally writes.

So I wonder, did Ally include those women who say they’ve been raped within marriage in his 50%? Or were they not worth considering?

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More News for 22 December

Naguib Mahfouz was the only Egyptian Nobel Prize for Literature winner and was effectively assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood in 1994.

The idea that this is something new is the product of unadulterated ignorance.

From Wiki:

Mahfouz did not shrink from controversy outside of his work. As a consequence of his outspoken support for Sadat’s Camp David peace treaty with Israel in 1978, his books were banned in many Arab countries until after he won the Nobel Prize. Like many Egyptian writers and intellectuals, Mahfouz was on an Islamic fundamentalist “death list”. He defended Salman Rushdie after Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini condemned Rushdie to death in 1989, but also criticized his Satanic Verses as “insulting” to Islam. Mahfouz believed in freedom of expression and although he did not personally agree with Rushdie’s work, he did not believe that there should be a fatwa condemning him to death for it. In 1989, after Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini’s fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie and his publishers to be killed, Mahfouz called Khomeini a terrorist. Shortly after Mahfouz joined 80 other intellectuals in declaring that “no blasphemy harms Islam and Muslims so much as the call for murdering a writer.”

The appearance of The Satanic Verses brought back up the controversy surrounding Mahfouz’s novel Children of Gebelawi. Death threats against Mahfouz followed, including one from the “blind sheikh,” Egyptian theologian Omar Abdul-Rahman. Mahfouz was given police protection, but in 1994 Islamic extremists almost succeeded in assassinating the 82-year-old novelist by stabbing him in the neck outside his Cairo home.

He survived, permanently affected by damage to nerves in his right hand. After the incident Mahfouz was unable to write for more than a few minutes a day and consequently produced fewer and fewer works. Subsequently, he lived under constant bodyguard protection. Finally, in the beginning of 2006, the novel was published in Egypt with a preface written by Ahmad Kamal Aboul-Magd. After the threats, Mahfouz stayed in Cairo with his lawyer Nabil Mounir Habib. Mahfouz and Mounir would spend most of their time in Mounir’s office; Mahfouz used Mounir’s library as a reference for most of his books. Mahfouz stayed with Mounir until his death.

News for 22 December

NRA chief breaks post-Newtown silence to call for armed guards at schools

Not an unexpected response from the National Rifle Association and one which I expect will prevail over calls for disarming the American public, or at least severely reducing both the number and type of firearms it can own, a position with which I fully agree.

However as far as I know the only places in the UK to which the public has free and unfettered access, indeed where according to their passports “Her Britannic Majesty requests and requires … to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance..” are it’s airports. And all that I have visited in the past 10 years or so have been guarded by heavily armed police. Although it is somewhat ironic that  in the one incident – at Glasgow airport where they might have gone into action, it was a local taxi driver who disabled and arrested the terrorist.

News for 21 December

Untrusted’s Heyhabib really does out perform even the most juvenile of posters

Sometimes the Untrusted’s Heyhabib really does out perform even the most juvenile of posters. Here he is writing about Adam Lanza, the Newtown gunman:

Little dweebs like the nutter that ended so many lives in Newtown are employed to sit behind a keyboard and kill children with drone attacks, by the US military.

From the ABSTRACT of  THE WARFIGHTERS OF TODAY: PERSONALITY AND COGNITIVE CHARACTERISTICS OF RATED FIGHTER PILOTS IN THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE

Theory and research established a schema for a successful fighter pilot, which includes advanced cognitive ability, unwavering emotional stability, and the will and motivation to achieve a goal or mission (Picano et al, 2006). Due to the high-risk nature of the job, an individual must have the ―right stuff to succeed as a USAF fighter pilot. In response to these requirements, USAF standards for aircrew were raised. Psychological data on student pilot applicants is obtained prior to entrance into pilot training. Psychologists evaluating pilots must be aware and have an understanding of how the psychological disposition of pilots differs from the general population and utilize appropriate normative data to base their interpretation and conclusions.

News for 20 December

BeautifulBurnout Selectively Seeking Anti-Muslim Hatred

BeautifulBurnout writes on Comment is Free quoting Berchmans:

If you wish to read posts expressing hatred for Muslims there are other sites but you will not change the moderation policy here I absolutely guarantee it.

and continues:

Bloody well said, that man! If I wanted to read sh*t like that I would go to Stormfront.

Or alternatively she could read The New York Times:

Gunmen Kill 5 Female Polio Workers in Pakistan

KARACHI, Pakistan (AP) — Gunmen killed five Pakistani women working on a U.N.-backed polio vaccination campaign in two different cities on Tuesday, officials said. The attacks were likely an attempt by the Taliban to counter an initiative the militant group has opposed.

But that would mean upsetting her rather blinkered world view and  her having to accept that by far the most hatred towards Muslims comes from other Muslims.

It’s a problem that puts Muslim deaths from others into true perspective.

News for 19 December

Dominique Strauss-Kahn fails to get judges to drop pimping charges

Oh dear, The Untrusted’s favourite world capitalist administrator has failed in his latest attempt to convince anyone other than The Untrusted cabal that he’s as innocent as the driven snow.

Dominique Strauss-Kahn fails to get judges to drop pimping chargesCourt in northern France to proceed with sex offence inquiry against former IMF chief relating to a luxury prostitution ring

So what was it the UT’s spokesman and Francophile Backtothepoint had to say about this:

Backtothepoint

Anyway, I see on French news that there’s a lot of disbelief being expressed, 
especially among the politicians who know and have worked with him, and quite a 
few people are disturbed by the timing of the accusation – just as the campaign 
for the Socialist primaries was about to begin.

and

I’m saying that it’s weird that a man who’s shown enough discipline for forty 
years to rise to the very top of politics in a major Western country could have lost 
control so totally as to throw it all away on an impulse crime he had no hope of 
concealing.

and

To me, it’s astonishing that a man such as DSK, who has shown remarkable intelligence and political instinct for forty years, could lose control to the extent of  throwing it all away to attack a chambermaid.

And that’s the chambermaid who accused DSKof attempted rape in May 2011, who he’s just come to a separate out of court settlement in a civil case in New York?

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News for 18 December

Update 2

Ann Tanner, AT42 – (“how dare you accuse me of not not knowing Marx is a materialist”) cites two pieces of evidence to justify her claim that:

“In 1968 we had the birth of the the ‘New Left’ who decided that the working class were too racist and sexist to bring on the revolution.”

The first provides evidence that the New Left developed from the 1950s with “the de-Stalinisation of the Soviet Union”.

The second, Identity Politics and the Left by Marxist historian and commentator Eric Hobsbawn has 48 references to identity politics but not one mention of racism or racist, or sexist or sexism.

The same Eric Hobsbawm, writing in Revolutionaries (London, 1973), p. 245 says:

During the Russian revolution, “the leadership of the Bolsheviks consisted overwhelmingly of intellectuals, as did that of all other popular parties of opposition.

As such it had the same composition as the New Left in the second half of the twentieth century – namely, overwhelmingly intellectual and certainly a minority identity group.

And even Hobsbawn falls into the trap of his own making.  Not the racism trap of Ann Tanner as she aligns herself with the racist HankScorpio, but the minorities trap:

“Secondly, whatever their rhetoric, the actual movements and organizations of identity politics mobilize only minorities.”

But women (one of Hobsbawm’s “minorities”), are in fact a majority in the UK and many other advanced industrial countries.

A generous conclusion is that Ann Tanner is intellectually naive.

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Update 1

It’s good to see Andy says seeking a few answers from Ann Tanner.

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The Ann Tanner – HankScorpio Alliance

“When older socialists like me and Hank say we are against ‘Identity Politics ‘. This is what we mean. –

“In 1968 we had the birth of the ‘New Left’ who decided that the working class were too racist and sexist to bring on the revolution. What we mean by saying we are against Identity Politics does NOT imply the abandonment of any minority. It actually means the abandonment of white working class men.”

I’m not quite sure what the final sentence here means and I don’t think the writer does either.

But leaving aside for the moment the alliance of Old Labour’s Ann Tanner with the violent racist HankScorpio, who on the “New Left” in 1968 advocated that “the working class were too racist and sexist to bring on the revolution”? Let Ann Tanner produce one quote from any “New Left” thinker, writer or intellectual who put forward that argument.

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News for 17 December

Asperger’s, Parents and the Newtown Shooting

It is widely reported that Adam Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome. This is something that has featured in Comment is Free articles on more than one occasion, when a parent has written about their child’s condition. The last time I believe was Why I ran a marathon to help my daughter with Asperger’s syndrome.

This article is quite adamant about the condition:

Asperger’s Is a Red Herring to Explain the Newtown Massacre

While this one isn’t so sure:

Adam Lanza Asperger’s Syndrome: Was The Shooter Mentally Disturbed?

What I find amazing however is how many parents, like this one of the Untrusted cabal who claims her child is aware of her online moniker, are prepared to inform all and sundry about their child’s condition, with little concern about the possible consequences. I notice that the writer is sufficiently expert in the nature of the condition that she can confidently make judgements about the behaviour of all people who are diagnosed with this condition.

My lad is on the very lowest end of the ASD spectrum. Not sufficiently a problem for him to be statemented, but still has difficulties with socialising/chaotic classrooms etc and will sometimes get up and walk out of class if it gets too stressful.

On the plus side, he has an IQ of 148, had a reading age of 16 when he was 10, is brilliant at science and an ace guitarist. And he is old enough now to be able to intellectualise what other people might be thinking or feeling in a given situation – which is what all Asperger’s people eventually do. They might not pick up on the signals being given out, but they are intelligent enough to work out that, for example, calling someone a prat is likely to make them upset (even if they don’t quite “understand” instinctively why that is)

News for 15 December

BeautifulBurnout, – who describes herself as a “middle-class phoney”, despite there being nothing phony about her middle class status, has discovered my twitter account:

Speaking of “racist trailer trash” host sites, I just checked out the stalker’s twitter account and it is hilarious. One follower – a charity fundraising organisation.

She might have appended to her own description – “slow on the uptake”.

You might also have concluded that after following my comments since February 2009 she’d have realised that the last thing I do, quite unlike her own modus operandi, is to court popularity.

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News for 14 December

I missed this one at the time

BeautifulBurnout 04 December 2012 7:33pm:

Sad to have to say this, but your techies have probably succeeded where Bitey, in his various disguises over the years, failed … by pissing me off so much that I cannot be bothered to post here any more.
:sad face:
Ciao for now.

And that flouncing off lasted for all two hours  🙂

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Update 7 to the Rotherham Fostering story

News for 12 December

An interesting twist on the Rotherham Foster  Parents saga with the children’s father accusing social workers of racism.

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More racist abuse from HankScorpio but not a word of rebuke from CiF’s doyenne of anti-racism, BeautifulBurnout. Here he is once again abusing PaulBJ:

You’re just another gutless fucking right-wing troll. Being black doesn’t exonerate you from all of that, Uncle Tom.

And here’s Chekhov turning the proverbial blind eye:

Just because contributors to this site don’t get involved with spats between you and Hank, doesn’t mean they agree or disagree with either of you and it doesn’t reflect badly on anyone to abstain from commenting on stuff that is none of their business.

News for 3 December

For some residents of leafy Crawley, their time has come:

We will sell the creaking Houses of Parliament and relocate our democratic institutions to Crawley – representative of the new dynamism and can-do spirit that will course through Greater Suburbia.

From A manifesto for Kelvin MacKenzie’s Greater Suburbians

And I gather Mr Mackenzie is seeking the support of the the resident of that leafy town who penned this tribute to self-reliance:

Just because rad-fems use the patriarchy as an excuse for not having achieved what they want in their lives doesn’t mean that they are not capable of achieving things if they put their minds to it and put some bloody back into it instead of seeking someone/something else to blame. (And, as a successful woman in a “man’s world”, I am living proof of that, but that’s another story)”

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More obscenities on the UT yesterday, preceded by yet another long, turgid condemnation of “identity politics” largely from the comfortably off middle class Anne Tanner instructing PaulBJ to wait until women and non-white people are accepted and acceptable to her “working class”.  James Dixon asks ” where are black(/x/y/z) people now, after several decades of Identity politics!?” apparently forgetting that one of them is President of the USA or that there’s yet to be a woman in that post.  Anne Tanner rambles on about  “working class people are 99% of the population”,  ignoring the 30+% of those who vote Tory and presumably are in favour of the government’s austerity measures and as such are highly unlikely to be joining her on the barricades.

 

News for 2 December

Classic HankScorpio Night on the Untrusted

 I fucking hate this country. A country in which we have to demonise the poor to justify robbing them to prop up the bankers who screwed us and offshored their profits.

The binmen have been privatised, outsourced and offshored.

Took me a while to get it but PaulBJ is a right-winger. As is his bessie mate, Hermione, who was first to welcome the coalition in 2010

If you had a bit more sense, you’d know why I get a bit pissed off with being called a fucking racist by some student.

Cif used to have lots of interesting posters, most of whom would have told BellaM to take her “bigC” up her arse.

You pissy fucking middle class twat, whining on about fucking grudges. You haven’t got a fucking clue, you little noncy showgirl.

Heh heh heh, turns out I’m great and you are all wankers xxx

PaulBJ responds to HankScorpio and Anne Tanner 

“You seem to have absolutely no grasp of things from a Black perspective. And like Hank i don’t think you’ve the slightest interest in acknowledging that your marxist perspectives on life don’t  always take into account the realities of  what some working class people have had to fight for.”

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News for 1 December 

Update 1

BeautifulBurnout puts us all on the right road:

The two lawyers also affirmed that the information in Le Monde about the amount of the settlement that would bring the matter to an end was “completely false”. This type of agreement is always accompanied by a confidentiality clause, preventing either party from disclosing the amount, under pain of rendering the agreement null and void. It’s like Leveson never really happened, eh?”

What attempted rape really never happened?

So if there’s a confidentiality clause, there must be something to keep confidential?  So maybe not $6,000,000?

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afanc / Leni posts on the Untrusted site:

It seems that Strauss-Kahn is to pay $6 million in compensation to the hotel worker who claimed he assaulted her .

this suggests he might not have been innocent and wrongly accused !

There seems to be some dispute about the accuracy of this $6 million payout, but nevertheless it must be quite embarrassing to those UT people like Leopold1904, EdwardRice, BTTP, BeautifulBurnout, NormanHadley and others, who ever since Dominique Strauss-Kahn was dragged off that flight from New York to Paris, have so strongly shouted about his innocence.

Maybe it’s time to re-visit what it was they said at the time?

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News for 28 November 

MrsB in her most Penelope Keithish:

No, the meme of the undeserving poor is a very useful one. It keeps the middle classes in their place, working longer hours for less money, just to prove that they are “different” and “special” and would never be the same as “them”. Poor misguided souls.

Oh that meme – how it comes back to haunt you MrsB  – And who is it that earns her middle class crust as a barrister by defending the undeserving poor, financed by legal aid, as a means of maintaining her middle class life style in leafy Crawley?

So misguided.

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BeautifulBurnout comes out in favour of discrimination on the grounds on religion. 

In the same way that as a Buddhist, if I were a foster carer and, having placed, say, a Christian or an atheist child with us, then social services decided we were not suitable because of our beliefs, I would say “Fair enough”.

Leaving aside the question of whether Buddhism is a religion, what a shallow approach to your system of beliefs; what an poor example to give to children that you allow council officials to decide that you’re unsuitable as foster parents because central to your belief is the need to get rid of suffering.

And if not a foster parent, why not a teacher?

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PaulBJ holds out an olive branch to The violent racist middle class tax inspector HankScorpio:

Hank

How about you and me starting again with a clean slate.? We’ve both said a lot of stuff and we’ve both been out of order .I hear what you’re saying about ID politics but you’ve got to be prepared to hear me too.It’s not all one way.

I suspect it will be both accepted and then rejected once Hank has a few beers inside him.

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MrsBootstraps has taken on the role of Public Relations front woman for Rotherham Council and it’s Children and Young People’s Services. Check her out here 

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News for 26 November 

Ally Fogg – the darling of Comment is Free addresses the conference of Menz:

If we want to rid the world of the horrors of female genital mutilation, how much easier would that be if we agreed that it is inexcusable to inflict unnecessary genital mutilation on any child, girl or boy?

The suggestion that male circumcision is in any way comparable to female genital mutilation is an obscenity that even in the long time I’ve followed Ally  Fogg’s  writings, I’d hoped he wouldn’t have made.

But he has and from a man steeped in feminism, it’s obscene.

News for 25 November 

Given the piece by the Guardian’s Readers’ Editor on what many consider is an anti-semitic Steve Bell cartoon, can we expect Hague and Blair to take the McAlpine route?

Of course it’s hardly surprising that the supporters of the racist HankScorpio find the cartoon to their taste or to quote one of the cabal – “Steve Bell has got it spot on”.

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Is the Bella Mackie who’s blocked my tweets, the same  Isabella Mackie, Community coordinator, for Comment is free?

Strange way to treat a long time Guardian reader, if that’s the case.

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New posts on the Rotherham case here.

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News for 24 November

Update 24 November – mbc1955 writes:

Thanks MsChin. The spirit of fairness suggests I should at least make to clear to Bella that I’m not holding her personally responsible, and that she is merely the ‘face’ of the papwer at this time.But I’ve confirmed I want my profile deleting, so, too late.

I’m sure “the face of the papwer” will be mightily relieved at this.

mbc1955 writing on The Untrusted about the new commenting format:

Sorry to be so untechie, but can anyone tell me how to delete my profile off CiF?

Since the whole point of this new format change is to deter from posting those who do because, well, as soon as they stop, millions of people will start, I’ve decided not to stay where I’m not wanted.

They really are as thick as pigshit, aren’t they?

It is of some relevance to the matter that in almost 4 years of posting, mbc1955 appears only twice in my archive. Even hermionegingold has managed the staggering total of five.

To say he won’t be missed is probably an understatement.

Which all a great shame as his profile portrays him as a far more interesting character. (reproduced here in case he does manage to get it deleted.)

Once and former Solicitor who’s given all that up as a bad thing. Once and formerly married, but we don’t talk about that. Now has new career, with enough income to buy more books but still waiting for new companion and new life. Lifelong small ‘l’ liberal now wondering who the hell he can vote for, next Election. Manchester United fan but hasn’t given them a penny since Glazer, and avid supporter of the rebels: come on FC!! And I writes books (global sales finally closing in on 70!). contactable via arduous.publications@gmail.com

Interests: Reading and writing is the biggie: I self-publish through Lulu.com and have had six novels taken by Stockport Library. I enjoy football and cricket, and still dream of getting to my career 200th run (only 18 more – ten innings should do it). Love music but going through one of those spells where my attention is firmly focussed backwards. Avid fellwalker – I’ve done all the Wainwrights, and it’s now officially recorded. And I still have a residual interest in comics: you really all ought to read 100 Bullets.

News for 23 November

ArecBalrin writes:

I’ll be taking a hiatus from CiF for some time until they decide what kind of readership and standards of debate they wish to cater for.

After his various outbursts recorded here, such as, on the holocaust:

….the gassing of prisoners was over-egged because nations frequently worked people to death on purpose and if that was the main method the Nazis used and the Nazis are bad because of it, what does that make us who did the same?

it’s rather surprising he’s been allowed to select his own exclusion period. Or perhaps he’s been given an ultimatum.

And rather predictably up jumps RichJames with:

Maybe it’s not fair for people to treat him as a saviour figure, and put a mantel of responsibility on him.

But to quote Monty Python:

He’s not the MessiahHe’s a very naughty boy. 

Although quite what a shelf above the fireplace has got to do with it is anyone’s guess.

News for 21 November

MrsBurnout fails to learn the lessons of those now facing the wrath and legal clout of today’s most famous Peer of the Realm.

She spits at one of The Untrusted’s guests:

Bored already with posting on a site run by a middle-aged man who thinks that there is nothing wrong with 27 year old teachers having sexual relationships with 15 year old pupils if they are “in love”, that girls should be encouraged to be lesbians at school to avoid teenage pregnancies and 15 year old boys sexually assaulted and abused by 49 year old women should be put on the sex offenders register even though they are the victims? You seem to enjoy yourself so much over there, though.

Piss off back there.

Charming sentiments from a barrister.  I always though that epithet was reserved for me.

I assume she’s referring to this place, so first of all thanks for the compliment about being middle-aged, so sweet of you MrsB. And I note that unlike with your past indiscretions you’ve become very careful in not actually identifying me. Not that it matters, as neither did the BBC.  But it still ended up paying a very large sum in damages.

So let’s have a look at who else she’ll be accusing, if she’s got the courage of her convictions. How about Barbara Ellen?

Barbara Ellen – This shameful liaison does not deserve prison

Looking at the case of Madeleine Martin, the 39-year-old RE teacher and mother of two, jailed for 32 months and placed on the sex offenders’ register for sleeping with a 15-year-old male pupil, do we seriously think that a female teacher sleeping with a male pupil is on a par with a male teacher sleeping with a girl pupil? I don’t. And neither, I’d wager, would most 15-year-old boys.

The issue shouldn’t be taken lightly. All teachers, male and female, are in a position of trust and should not abuse it, though reading of Martin and the boy having sex in car parks, of her buying him mobile phones and tattoos with her name on “so he wouldn’t forget her”, of her failing marriage and terminally ill sister, Martin seems more pathetic than predatory.

Certainly, she has been severely punished for her nine-day tryst with the teenager, who, his mother says, has been mocked by peers. If anything, one would have thought they might be jealous. The internet is awash with sites dealing with “older woman teacher-pupil” fantasies. And there lies the rub – should the law be treating male and female pupil victims equally when male and female teenagers are so different?

What about Victoria Coren?

Victoria Coren – Even now I’d not be confident enough to sleep with a teacher

We can’t help but be revolted by any tales of older people having sex with minors, yet this one is a real curio. A court has ruled that the couple are in love. Judge Anthony Pitts sent the Jazz Lady to prison for 15 months, but agreed she may retain contact with her schoolgirl lover, write regular letters and meet again on release.

What sort of crime is that? Goddard has done something so wrong that she must be jailed, but so right that it must continue at the first available opportunity.

Judges never tell burglars: “You are sentenced to prison, but you may plan your next robbery from there, such break-in to be conducted with my blessing in January 2011.”

And what about Jon Henley?

Jon Henley – Blurred boundaries for teachers

As obviously inexcusable as they are, however, some teachers feel the intense media and public focus on a small number of high-profile cases such as those of Goddard and Reen – or, to take two more, Jenine Saville-King, a Watford teaching assistant cleared two years ago of sexual activity after exchanging 200 pages of MSN messages in three months (and 120 text messages in four days) with a 15-year-old pupil, and Madeleine Martin, a religious education teacher from Manchester, who this month admitted an eight-day affair with a 15-year-old boy from her school whom she first arranged to meet on Facebook – may be missing a much broader point.

And to conclude with my post that confounds MrsB’s accusation, here I am responding to Ally Fogg who also favoured a custodial sentence:

Actually Ally I was too nice to you. You say:

You think a responsible adult who has sex with a 15 year old girl who is under their authority, their position of influence and their care should be treated leniently and non-custodially, because those relationships are healthy and romantic.

I didn’t say anything about romance or health, but what I did say was:

“If you think taking away someone’s career, her salary, her pension, her reputation, which was significant and international, giving her a suspended sentence, putting her on probation and on the register, but not sending her to prison, all of which were options for the judge, is treating her leniently, what would you want for someone who needs an ordinary, rather than a lenient
punishment?”

“Flogging in public?”

“Burying to her neck and stoning to death?”

“Care to reconsider?”

“People like Helen Goddard need people like you on her side – not deserting her to stand with the baying mob.”

Now MrsB, if I’d said as you claim, “there is nothing wrong with 27 year old teachers having sexual relationships with 15 year old pupils” why would I have agreed that taking away her career, her salary, her pension, her reputation, which was significant and international, giving her a suspended sentence, putting her on probation and on the register, was an appropriate punishment?

News for 20 November

HankScorpio on The Untrusted:

The trouble with some of the noisier posters on here is that they see the world through their own identities, which is why PaulBJ and Habib think they have something in common just because they belong to ethnic minorities.

PaulBJ thinks that I’m a racist because I take the piss out of middle class black people who promote identity politics which favour the interests of middle class people, black or white, ahead of class politics or union agenda which favour working people, black or white.

I doubt they do think that. It’s far more probable that they know you’re a racist for calling HeyHabib a paki and PaulBJ a houseboy.

And not a word of disapproval, yet alone condemnation from MsChin, SheffP, frog, MrsBootstraps, who just a couple of weeks back was telling the world the following:

BeautifulBurnout, 31 October 2012 9:37PM

I’ve been fighting off bigots and racists ever since I started posting in 2008, Kiz. Sadly, it is nothing new. It’s just that there appear to be more of them, and maybe they are emboldened by the comparative success of Golden Dawn. They see the normalisation of fascist hatred in an EU country and try to up the ante here too.

But not it would appear when the bigot’s name is HankScorpio.

News for 18 November 

From the Daily Mail’s report on Abu Qatada, from the secret dossier found in the ransacked British Embassy in Tripoli:

‘In arguing the legal case for the attacks of September 11, Abu Qatada advocates fighting jihad against America and the West.

‘However, he goes further to include not only the aggressor (the American government), but anybody associated with the aggressor (its civilians) as prospective targets.’

Now here is Backtothepoint on those who died in the Twin Towers:

When, like the USA, you encourage, fund and arm terrorism, you really shouldn’t whine when it turns round and bites you in the arse.

from What do you want to talk about? backtothepoint’s comment 2 May 2011 12:29pm

News for 17 November 

Backtothepoint – CiF’s very own “armchair bomber” on his support for terror:

If the Palestinians were then to aim accurate missiles at civilians, then they would rightly be internationally condemned. But somehow, I think they’d rather hit the Israeli armed forces.

The evidence suggest something quite different.

A 2007 study of Palestinian suicide bombings during the Second Intifada (September 2000 through August 2005) found that 39.9 percent of the suicide attacks were carried out by Hamas, 25.7 percent by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), 26.4 percent by Fatah, 5.4 percent by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) and 2.7 percent by other organizations

In most of these the targets were civilians.

News for 15 November 

ArecBalrin falsely claims to be  the world’s only consulting Autistic. Here he is in full flow yesterday, 14 November 2012 at  8:05PM,  on You Tell Us:

So fuck that and fuck the techs that think nesting is more important than making sure things work properly in the first place.

Two minutes later

…I withdraw my previous comment as my Work Programme post miraculously appeared even after the error message I got.

Except for the ‘fuck the techs’ part.

Clearly The Guardian has added its own staff to those who it considers should suffer abuse and not complain.

From the original post at 8:04PM which clearly hadn’t disappeared:

Few providers on New Deal and on this ever opt to actually provide real training with real qualifications to enable someone to do a job. Instead they assume the client has ‘barriers’, to use the soft wet diplomatic language that more serious people opt for instead of recounting real-world first-hand experiences of bigotry, bullying, complacency and ignorance.

To me there seems to be a failure in logic here where someone who can make such detailed and frequent posts on CiF and describes himself as a consultant, considers himself to be unemployed and in need of a New Deal type provision to acquire real training with real qualifications.

According to his CiF profile ArecBalrin is a consultant, just like me and thousands of others and as such should be self-employed and paying Class 2 National Insurance contributions of £2.65 a week although if his earnings are below £5,595 per year (2012-13) he might not need to pay.

So why would such a talented consultant be required to attend one Work Programme appointment, yet alone three?

News for 14 November 

ArecBalrin writes:

“Once again I’m reconsidering my CiF participation.

When ever a welfare thread comes along, the mod abandon all sense of responsibility, trolls roam free and any proportionate reaction to their posts is removed whilst their posts stay up seemingly indefinitely. This is the case on Sue Marsh’s current piece.

The Guardian will get the quality of discussion they ask for and deserve, but they should stop pretending to be fair, let alone ‘Left of Centre’ on welfare.”

Well I suppose he did reconsider, but not for very long,  just under four hours it would appear.

News for 13 November 

We had a visit from Sheffpixie yesterday. She writes:

Also, made a visit to bitey’s site, god knows why, except that I’ve never been there before.  I do wonder what kind of life he has; to spend so much of it obsessing over the UT and CIF seems such an utterly sad waste of his time.  He’d do much better focusing on his Chinese escapades, his photos – some of them are lovely and music.

As it happens Sheff I spend far less time maintaining this site than I did contributing to CiF and the Untrusted – which is why this weekend I was in London listening to four Finnish bands playing in the London Jazz Festival, one of which features in Today’s music.

And in fairness here’s one of your fellow Untrusteds on 29 March last year defending my reputation on an exchange prompted by the banning of someone referred to as the shark:

In fairness to bitey, these days he not only makes some interesting and challenging points elsewhere, but also has impressed us with his musical choices and some astoundingly beautiful photos taken on his travels in rural China.

I did search in vain for something of note that Sheff had posted but the best I could come up with was this:

sheffpixie:

There’s a poster called tinlaurelandhardy I have managed to annoy. I think its bitey one of his many disguises. Anyone know?

To which I replied: (at 8:17pm)

Your desire to embrace censorship will doubtless cause tinlaurelledandhardy some future grief as the accusation, usually from BeautifulBurnout, gets the poster banned. Maybe you’ll have the decency to go back to the thread and apologise.

My most recent incarnation isn’t tinlaurelledandhardy. And when you say “If my memory serves me right, bitey liked to trawl through other peoples old posts and quote them out of context in a derogatory manner”, I cannot recall anything you’ve ever written sheffpixie, that’s worth quoting in any way, derogatory or otherwise.

And if you want a lesson in how to win an argument on CiF I suggest you go and look at my contribution to this thread, posting as jiasa. (now also banned courtesy of MrsB)

News for 12 November 2012

The Culmination of how the BBC betrayed the world and instead of serious broadcasting  gave it Strictly Come Dancing

Had Entwistle ever worked in or studied an ordinary organisation he’d have known that you can’t get promoted and promoted and promoted, and continue to do the same job, without at some time having to reap the whirlwind.

At least his obituary will say – this was the man who destroyed the British Broadcasting Corporation.

Or as the Independent says:

Out of touch. Out of his depth. Out of a job: BBC Director General George 

Lord Patten said: “He has behaved as editor with huge honour and courage.”

And Lord Patten wouldn’t know honour and courage if it fell on him from a great height. He should also go now.

There is little doubt that this fiasco will make it far more difficult to ensure that those guilty of abusing children, will be named and  if still alive, brought to justice.

The likes of HankScorpio and BeautifulBurnout will forever have to live with their own misplaced abuse.

News for 10 November 2012

Monbiot imitates The Untrusted

SpinningHugo on You Tell Us, 9 November 2012 12:00PM

It has to be paedogeddon and libel.

What on earth was George Monbiot doing naming the ‘senior Tory’ via twitter. Far more serious than the slip on ITV. Deliberate naming is quite another matter.

Yes, monbiot has now apologised and recognised that this was a case of mistaken identity and apologised, but he should not have been going around making accusations of the most serious kind without any roof.

fortunately we have the law of libel in this country, whihc tells us

(i) It was wrong for Monbiot to behave as he did

and

(ii) if you behave wrongly you have to pay damages.

Long may the law of libel continue in this role: despite the campaign by the Guardian to have this important control of wrongdoing removed.

So, a piece in praise of the law of libel, and critical of the behaviour of idiots like Monbiot on twitter.

Why does Monbiot, who campaigns on so many serious things like climate change and (today) the Guardian’s hyopocrisy on fish, behave in a way so as to discredit himself?

There must be several Untrusted posters who’ve resorted to such accusations in the past who are rather concerned about their own past accusations.

I hope some of the Untrusted cabal for whom false accusations of paedophilia are at very least,  gross professional misconduct,  are seriously worried about their past indiscretions.

News for 7 November 2012

Peter Jackson on science and politics

In February 2012 Jacqueline Windh wrote for CiF – Sugar: it’s time to get real and regulate

Peter Jackson referred readers to this piece by Christopher Snowdon on the origins of this story.

An SJWood39 challenged with this –

Not Christopher Snowdon of the Adam Smith Institute? Why bother these chaps wouldnt even bother regulating banks so all your going to get is a lot of ideological slop with little or no nutrional content.

to which Peter responded:

No, the Christopher Snowdon who has written for the Adam Smith Institute as a freelance, having also written three useful books on the perversion of science for political purposes. Are you one of those who avoids opinions other than reflections of your own?

To which MontanaWildhack replied:

Whether he’s freelance or not, he’s a right-wing journalist and I see no reason to think he’s any more reliable than any other journalist with an axe to grind. That blog post you linked to was an immature, hysterical rant, not an informed, factual disputation of the argument against sugar.

Look, I think this article is pretty batshit crazy and they’re going to have to pry my Pepsi out of my cold, dead hand, but that guy that you linked to is just another sneering right-wing asshole.

So Montana presumably accepts that she is “one of those who avoids opinions other than reflections of your own?”

Probably sums her up quite well.

News for 6 November 2012

 

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A woman who sadistically tortured a teenage boy and made him drink his own urine during a terrifying two-hour ordeal has been jailed for four years.  Kerry Howle, 26, forced the defenceless 15-year-old schoolboy to eat a mouldy sausage roll which she had spat on and coated in cigarette ash.

Would MrsBootstraps and her hang em and flog em cabal now like to reconsider the disproportionate sentence handed down to teacher and jazz trumpet player Helen Goddard who got 15 months for having a loving relationship with a soon to be 16 year old student?

News for 4 November 2012

 And now mbc1955:

I realise that I don’t have the same kind of history as you, BB, when it comes to Bitey, but I can’t see the concern for whether he mentions someone on his site or not.

I’ve been told that occasionally my name has come up, but I haven’t seen any point in checking to see what he’s said. It’s going to have nothing to do with reality, and I really couldn’t give a toss what the paranoid old trout thinks of me. Nor for the opinion of anyone naive enough to listen to him.

MBC1955 describes himself as a Once and former Solicitor and not a psychiatrist. Nevertheless here’s what this “paranoid old trout” wrote about him in May 2011:

Then prompted by Montana’s link to the CiFUnderground site, I found between 5 – 10 April, my reputation being traduced by Spike, Tybo, hermionegingold, and someone called mbc1955, who admitted never having read anything of mine but still felt she had the authority to comment.

Another member of the legal profession who considers evidence to be immaterial. For some reason MBC I got your sex wrong.

Sunday morning and colinthestoat joins the fray:

I wasn’t able to sign on last night. Just as well I suppose. Fun reading it this morning though.
I just love the threatening tone of that silly little prick. And the phone number gag again! Talk about butch!

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After a few weeks of civility beyond the call of duty, I notice that HankScorpio has returned from charm school and is back to his usual abusive self.  Somewhat taken aback by reference to his being  a little overweight he lashed out at PaulBJ in traditional form:

“Stop tossing insults around on here, you snidey fucking coward.”

PaulBJ is “a misguided black liberal who’s lacking an ideology”, unlike Scorpio, that white middle class former old Labourite, hanging on to Clause 4 like the proverbial drowning man, while whinging about the attacks on his future Civil Service pension.

How much more of a “single issue fanatic” could you get?

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Has MrsBootstraps been appointed YTU Manager?

JackRoth, 2 November 2012 9:12PM Response to BeautifulBurnout who had posted:

A man who shouted “no public sector cuts” at David Cameron during a speech in Glasgow has been ordered to carry out 100 hours of community service.

Well no use whinging about it now. It was the Left that closed down free speech with their call for certain opinions to be made “hate crimes” By banging that thin end of the wedge further in the Right has outflanked you.

You have no cause for complaint

To which she replied:

BeautifulBurnout 2 November 2012 9:18PM Response to JackRoth, 2 November 2012 9:12PM

It wasn’t “the Left”, it was New Labour.

And I complained as much under New Labour about the encroachments on our civil liberties as I do today, as my posting history will show.

I suggest you look for another target of your ire, pal.   Jog on.

and:

BeautifulBurnout 2 November 2012 9:29PM Response to JackRoth, 2 November 2012 9:12PM

Wow.

Brand new nick. First time poster on the Graun and comes to this sleepy little backwater.

How bizarre

To which JackRoth replied:

JackRoth 2 November 2012 9:40PM  Response to BeautifulBurnout, 2 November 2012 9:29PM

First time poster on the Graun and comes to this sleepy little backwater.

Well I’ve been ‘looking in’ for a while now and thought this cosy little club of everybody furiously agreeing with each other could do with a shaking up, or aren’t new posters welcome?

(btw didn’t realise you were the ‘club’ entrance monitor)

To which MrsB replied:

BeautifulBurnout  2 November 2012 10:08PM  Response to JackRoth, 2 November 2012 9:40PM

A tad touchy, aren’t we, for someone who showed up without so much as a “Hi, I’m new round here” but jumped straight in to “BB, shut yo’ whinin’, beotch!”

Still. It’s only the internetz. Life is far too short to get irritated by a n00b with a grudge. :o)

And shortly after all posts disappeared and a search for JackRoth’s profile is met with:

Sorry      This user profile is not available.

News for 30 October 2012

arecbalrin on “the actions of the Nazis”

These have become part of the framing of history; the gassing of prisoners was over-egged because nations frequently worked people to death on purpose and if that was the main method the Nazis used and the Nazis are bad because of it, what does that make us who did the same?

It says a lot about the decline of the Guardian’s editorial control of its media that such a comment, from one of its ‘golden posters’, has been allowed to remain on its website for over 14 hours. There was a time when such denialist ranting would have received the most stern rebukes from both moderators and fellow posters. So where are those that claim to spend their lives “bashing the fash”?

News for 27 October 2012

Peter Jackson on Islamophobia

Jonathan, thanks for your reply; it deserves a full response in turn.

First, there could be some nuance to our general agreement that there is a problem for Muslim communities, but we can leave that for now and say that yes, some people do hate Muslims for what they are and believe. Your research can provide some useful information on how widespread that hatred actually is, if you take care over your definitions.

No problem there. But the reason you and others are accused of peddling an Islamist agenda is not just because your backers are Islamists, or that your advisory board has some familiar Islamist names on it. It is because you take the notion of Islamophobia as hatred and expand it to make political points. For you, even calling Al Qaida and Al Muhajiroun ‘bad Muslims’ is questionable, and criticising the Muslim Brotherhood, Jamaat-e-Islami, HizbUtTahrir and other groups is Islamophobic, it seems.

Secondly, it’s true that Andrew Gilligan is never knowingly out-overblown. But attacking his programme as pure Islamophobia that should therefore be ignored also marginalises those Muslim voices in Tower Hamlets who are opposed to the political aims and methods of IFE. I hope that your rather cheap shot about instant media-and-wiki experts isn’t aimed at me; although I have not personally investigated IFE, I have read rather more widely than that.

Third, politically active Muslims are no problem at all. The more the better. But politically active Muslims whose activity is purely Muslim politics, not so good. Particularly when that politics is aligned not with UK parties and local concerns, but with wider international groupings.

Lastly, I don’t think our discussions are getting bogged down. I’m afraid I don’t know your own background in any great detail, Jonathan, but I have followed Dr Lambert’s progress with interest since his strategy of using Islamist groups as a buffer against Al Qaida proved, shall we say, less than ideal. If you stick to empirical research that gives us useful information on just how many people in the UK actively hate Muslims – really, truly hate Muslims as Muslims – then that will heip. Political pronouncements will get you into deeper waters.

One final thing; your last paragraph demonstrates exactly the kind of blurring that I have been talking about. I’d be grateful if you would avoid hints about latent or explicit support for the EDL in anything I’ve posted here.

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Ally Fogg writes on Intersectionality? It’s been a privilege. Reflections on the End of Men pt 3.

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News for 25 October 2012

Only just had this comment from JimPress brought to my attention and it’s rather good:

“On balance, no, I don’t think that moderators actively patrol this thread looking for mildly critical posts to zap. And anyway, we know from proud past campaigns to purge supposed heretics like Bitey and Bracken that a small group of forum police work overtime to in an attempt to shape what is and isn’t acceptable here. If people can’t cope with dissenting views they’d be better off braying into an echo chamber than posting on a discussion forum.”

JimPress 6 Sep 2012, 9:55pm

News for 21 October 2012

I don’t have much time for the 13thDukeofWybourne after he posted this nonsense about me:

13thDukeofWybourne – 04 December, 2009 19:11

Hank,

I think you’ll find that because BTH has defended Brooks, Barbara Ellen and the other crackpot feminist articles on CiF he has what in Monoply is termed a ‘Get out of Jail free card.’

And that was one of the more complimentary things said about me on that thread. And coincidentally just a few days before I was banned from CiF.

So now the 13thDukeofWybourne posts a turgid, repetitive durge in Peter Jackson’s memory, that might send anyone metaphorically to an early grave.

I stand to be corrected but the only music I can ever recall Peter writing about was Steely Dan, so here’s something I think is more appropriate:

Steely Dan – Your Gold Teeth

With lyrics as complex as some of Peter’s many contributions.

And in one of his latest posts Peter did write:

Life, after all, is just one damned thing after another. Take it step by step, and don’t impose grand theories on it.

News for 20 October 2012

Peter Jackson on the Left and Islam

 PeterJackson, 29 January 2010 2:25PM  posting on “Muslims in the UK: beyond the hype”

@Damtheral

Thanks for the reminder of that piece – I’d forgotten its risible suggestion that groups like the Muslim Brotherhood front MAB were happily working with feminists and gay groups in the Stop the War Coalition.

That’s turned out well too.

And the piece Damtheal linked to the article – Hamas is not al-Qaida posting among other things:

There is a whole coterie of academics, journalists, far-left agitators and politicians who want to paint the whole Muslim Brotherhood galaxy as fellow anti-imperialists rather than religious totalitarians’

A message the armchair politicals on the Untrusted might like to contemplate, the next time they’re about to praise Islam.

News for 19 October 2012

Peter Bracken writes:

Such sad news about Peter. An online gent if ever there was one, and I can only imagine him wonderful company over a pint. Wish I’d met him. The world’s stock of characters of his generosity of spirit is rare indeed. The sheer unaffected tolerance, learning and affability of the man is what I’ll remember most. 

Of course I’m sure Peter Bracken would have posted this tribute on CiF had not those posters who feel they have proprietorial over the site not conspired to have him banned, time and again.

Having read many of Peter Jackson’s contributions to CiF, The Untrusted and PickledPolitics, I am sure he had far more in common with Peter Bracken than he did with any of the armchair revolutionaries and anarchists who now claim him as their own.

News for 18 October 2012

News for today was taken up with a tribute to the late Peter Jackson, a long time contributor to Comment is Free.

Rather than posts my comments here I’ll be setting up a new page to record them.

News for 17 October 2012

In his interview with Harriet Harman on the BBC’s Today Programme, John Humphreys came very close to defending both the sexual predator Jimmy Savile and those in the BBC who in the past allowed Savile to continue sexually abusing young people by either ignoring them, or Savile, or both.  These BBC employees are the ones that only an independent enquiry will identify and deal with appropriately.

News for 16 October 2012

Today’s and yesterday’s news is devoted to the total lack of consistency shown by BeautifulBurnout, Backtothepoint and others in the Untrusted cabal, with the exception of (MontanaWildhack) on their strident shouts of “innocent until proven guilty” where Dominique Strauss-Kahn was concerned, but total silence on the depraved actions of Savile.

News for 15 October

A request yesterday has prompted me to post this.

I read all comments left here before they appear below and fortunately there aren’t many. 0:)

But I also get 20 or so spam messages a day and the excellent WordPress software consigns them to the spam bin. They say things like “Have you ever thought about translating your blog into Spanish, French, Chinese, etc. But I have to check each one as from time to time real messages end up there and of course I rescue them and post them here. It takes a bit of time but so what?

So if you want to post anything here anonymously, go ahead and simply ask for it not to appear and I’ll decide what to do with the content.

News for 12 October 2012

Ally Fogg:

Leaving the ideological gender stuff to one side for a moment, it is worth pointing out that according to Ms Horley, a man who gets steaming drunk every so often, comes home and beats his wife to within an inch of his life, but displays no systematic, purposeful and patterned behaviour designed to gain control of her, is NOT committing acts of domestic violence.

And leaving aside AllyF’s ignorance and “anything that boosts my popularity with the menz”, how does he reconcile his views with Sandra Horley’s statement from her own article

“Domestic violence comes in multiple, ugly forms and can involve extreme physical brutality – black eyes, broken bones, bruises. Such physical abuse can be devastating – even fatal.”

I think that covers Ally Fogg’s “steaming drunk man” who “every so often, comes home and beats his wife to within an inch of his life”.

(I assume he meant “her”.)

There was a time when you could expect at least even-handedness from Fogg but now all he can do is heap abuse on a woman who has “worked with victims of domestic violence for over 30 years.”

Priceless

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Ally Fogg has written a new article A dangerous domestic violence myth revisited in which he repeats his claim that:

“The number of women killed by partners or ex partners over the past decade has hovered very consistently around the 100 per year mark. In 2010/11 there were 94. Since 2001 we’ve had a high mark of 117 and a low mark of 80 (in 07/08), but the overall trend is static.”

But

Kier Starmer, Director of Public Prosecutions, has reported a decline in Domestic Violence from 23% of all violent crimes in 1997, to 14% in 2011.

And using the figures Ally uses, between 2001 and 2011 the low and high points of 80 and 117 gives a decline of 31.7%. Taking the high point and the 2010/11 figure shows a decline of around 20%. This is not as he claims an “overall static trend”, but a fluctuating and declining one, rather like the incidence of  homicide and domestic violence

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News for 11 October 2012

MBC1955 posting on the article by John KampfnerMatthew Woods ‘joking’ about April Jones on Facebook is sick, not criminal. “Sites such as Sickipedia may encourage offensive behaviour, but this should not an be issue for the law.

Ok, so what’s the alternative? Does this grossly offensive little **** grow up to learn that he can say anything he wants, anywhere, at any time, that is sick, offensive, hateful and cruel, that causes hurt and pain to people already experiencing the worse kind of hurt that can be imagined, and that there are no personal consequences for him?

Is that the message you want idiots like him to get?

So when I ask is MBC1955 going to post a similar reprimand on the Untrusted site he now frequents, to Hank Scorpio, BeautifulBurnout, martillo, Monkeyfish and Backtothepoint who feel it quite alright to brand someone a paedophile?

It was good to see MBC1955 so resolutely put in his place by many posters on that thread.

But on this matter he lines up four square with BeautifulBurnout:

Freedom of speech does not include, therefore, an unqualified freedom to behave like a complete arse on someone else’s forum – including the Graun’s, this one or any other.

I think most people would consider that to be precisely what it does and the “complete arse” is none other than MrsB.

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The front cover of Birds, the magazine of the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds is this stunning photograph of a barn owl by Nigel Blake.

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There’s an interesting article in the Guardian today about a call to ban television for children under the age of three and a relevant article in the Independent from 2006 asking – Autism: Is there a link to watching television?

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News for 9 October 2012

3potato4 on the Untrusted after a long period of absence on a “Please help me become a censor” course.

“there is no hypocrisy in the banning of either semtex or bitey,,the hypocrisy lies in their expectation of equable rights when displaying constant aggresive hostile disingenuous attitudes”

Here’s my only ever serious post about 3potato4:

BeautifulBurnout  posted:

“3potatohead4″

Pah. One of the sanest voices around here. Dissing him doesn’t make you look very clever at all.

To which my response was:

I’ve looked through 5 pages of the vegetable’s most recent posts and have found nothing of any note.

So to give him/her the benefit of the doubt perhaps you could point me in the right direction?

Of course MrsB failed to respond with any of 3potato4′s literary gems.

MrsB’s comment was in response to this post of mine quoting “the late” Peter Bracken

I’m not talking about abuse or libel or defamation. I’m talking about the nuts and bolts of opinion.

Some posters here really do need a reality check. It’s should be perfectly acceptable to be offensive about a commentor’s ideas. Let me make this very important point crystal. I can say, without fear of recrimination, that peterbracken’s observation that the poor are feckless and indolent, is a travesty of compassion. I can say, too, that he is clearly devoid of empathy, which is borne of his slavish adherence to the spirit-sapping cosh of capitalism.

What I can’t say is that he is so predisposed because he abuses his wife and children and was probably bullied at school.

The difference between the the nature of these observations is so fabulously obvious I have no idea why the Guardian can’t discriminate between them. But, the fact is, it doesn’t.

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News for 8 October 2012

From Nick Cohen’s piece in today’s Observer:

Not one representative from the teaching or medical professions would go on air to explain why they never protested. We live in a country where the law prohibiting genital mutilation has never been enforced; where the authorities go wild when a 15-year-old white girl runs off to France with her teacher but stay silent when Asian girls are yanked out of school and forced into marriage.

Wellcitedevidence:

For more than a week the UK’s headlines have obsessed about a 15 year old who’s missed a week away from school with her maths teacher. At the same time, the Institute of Physics (IOP) has found that nearly half of all state schools in England do not send any girls on to study A-level physics.

I look forward to reading BeautifulBurnout’s condemnation of Nick Cohen in the same way as she did Wellcitedevidence:

Reducing the case to “a 15 year old who’s missed a week away from school with her maths teacher” is the height of wilful ignorance and/or deliberate trollery.

Of course MrsBootstraps would say, as she’s said in the past – well Christians do FGM as well. In fact here is a brief history of her equivocation on the subject of Female Genital Mutilation:

Almost three years ago and rather begrudgingly, BeautifulBurnout had wrung out of her the following condemnation of FGM.

BeautifulBurnout
7 January 2010 5:26PM

Maybe I am not what you would normally term a feminist, as I am more of an egalitarian, but I condemn FMG unreservedly as a barbaric practice.

However earlier on the same thread she had made her real position rather more clear:

BeautifulBurnout
7 January 2010 2:55PM

It is not a religious ceremony, it is a tribal practice. It is practices in Christian areas of Africa as well as Muslim areas.

Not that she’s alone in this attempt to defend the indefensible. Here’s her fellow Untrusted MsChin:

mschin
25 July 2010 9:36AM

FGM is also practised in Christian communities. It is a cultural practice, not a religious one, which is seen as rite of passage into womanhood.

A rite of passage?  MsChin should read this account from  African Women Organization.

And even more nonsense here from MrsB:
BeautifulBurnout
16 October 2010 9:53AM

Yet the US is just as religiously extreme as virtually any middle-eastern country you could name.

So which of these Middle Eastern countries did MrsB have in mind?

Iraq, Iraqi Kurdistan (72.7% prevalence (excluding Dohuk), Type I and II
There is no law against FGM in Iraqi Kurdistan, but in 2007 a draft legislation condemning the practice was submitted to the Regional Parliament, but was not passed. A 2011 bill criminalizing the procedure was passed by the parliament of Iraqi Kurdistan and now awaits the ratification of President Massud Barzani.

Jordan
Female genital mutilation is prevalent in Jordan.

Oman
The practice is prevalent in Oman.

Palestinian territories
Female genital mutilation is present in Palestinian territories. (which is why Backtothepoint refuses to condemn it – see later)

Qatar
Female genital mutilation is present in Qatar.

Saudi-Arabia
Female genital mutilation is prevalent, but is declining.

Syria
Circumstantial evidence suggests FGM exists in Syria.

Turkey
Circumstantial evidence suggests FGM exists in regions inhabited by Kurdish populations.

United Arab Emirates
The WHO mentions a study that documents FGM in the United Arab Emirates, but does not provide data. The practice is reportedly prevalent in rural and urban UAE, but is declining.

Yemen
23% prevalence in women 15 to 49; in addition to the adult prevalence, UNICEF reports that 20% of women aged 15–49 have a daughter who had the procedure.

On 10 June 2011 7:19pm  Backtothepoint was quoted here refusing to condemn FGM

Certainly not, since excision and infibulation are practised by Christians and Animists as well as Muslims, so they aren’t specific to a religion. FGM is a very unpleasant cultural tradition that has no basis in the Koran or Hadith.

And here an absolute refusal to condemn FGM from MrsB after being asked to do so:

BeautifulBurnout
10 June 2011 8:13PM

We are being invited in a very Bitey fashion to cobble-together fatally-flawed illogical rhetoric, innuendo and bizarre non sequiturs so that you can misrepresent what someone was saying.

and finally, earlier this year:

BeautifulBurnout
28 April 2012 4:10PM

FGM is not practised in the West, though. Although it is not an exclusively Muslim practice either, and is practiced in some parts of Africa – including in so-called Christian communities.

Not practised in the West?

According to the WHO, it is practised in 28 countries in western, eastern, and north-eastern Africa, in parts of the Middle East, and within some immigrant communities in Europe, North America, Australasia.

But don’t let the view of the World Health Organisation interfere with your prejudice. FGM is child abuse of the worst kind.

News for 7 October 2012

I wonder if the Guardian would like to re-open this piece for new comments?

Jimmy Savile’s good deeds are the real story

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I wonder if this poster would like to reconsider given what we know now?

Starskytherabbit
14 Mar 2008, 2:24PM

I used to work in a cafe on top of Sutton Bank (a beauty spot in North Yorkshire) Jimmy Savile used to come in when he was training for his marathons. One day he even let me look after his Range Rover keys while he was running up the hill. No thats not a euphamism!

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News for 6 October 2012

POLICE have started investigating a stabbing that seriously injured a tourist couple at the popular Huashan Mountain tourist spot Tuesday night. The incident occurred after thousands of tourists found themselves trapped on the mountain and asked for ticket refunds, police of northwest Shaanxi Province said today.

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mschin 6 October 2012 9:15PM

Responding to Leopold1904, 6 October 2012 9:03PM (since deleted for very good reasons)

I could tell you a tale or two about the local sausage factory but yours are better .. or worse, depending on which way you look at it.

Leopold1904’s post, since deleted claimed, with no evidence, that men employed in a popular UK yoghurt producer ejaculated into their employer’s product before it was sent off to supermarkets for the general public to buy.

It is one of the most objectionable posts I have ever read on CiF but despite its stomach churning implication I will eat a double portion of yoghurt with my breakfast tomorrow, just to protect the jobs of those who make it.

I do hope Mschin and Leopold1904 have sufficient evidence to convince the Food Standards Agency Inspectors that they weren’t simply being mischievous.

After all over 16.5 million people are employed in the food industry and I know how much the Untrusted are concerned about saving the jobs of those in work and getting unemployed people back into work.

And now MercyCroft has joined in:

Response to mschin, 6 October 2012 9:15PM

Dear mschin

Sausages, or mystery bags as I call them. Mind you, you do get what you pay for. If you go for the value range, you’ll get nipples, knuckles and all the gristly bits…

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And here’s Fripouille speaking about scratch007 -, displaying his contempt for Liberty, Equality and Fraternity:

As to the fact that the account is still active, and whatever the various opinions on that person, I have always thought that banned posters would be immediately rebanned if they showed up under another name.

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News for 5 October 2012

On On 3 October 2012 MrsBootstraps tried once again to get a poster she assumed to be Bitethehand banned. The full account is here:

BeautifulBurnout; promises as good as a Lib-Dem Pledge

News for 3 October 2012

Ally Fogg writes here in an article headed – “It’s not the end of men – but the rules of the game need changing”.

To a large extent, the newly fashioned workplace is a victory not for feminism, but for capitalism.

With a single sentence, to a large extent Ally has consigned to the dustbin of history every achievement of feminism from the vote, the right to own property, equal pay and the minimum wage, to name but four.

If some men, and Ally seems to be one, are now objecting because some women are showing that they can compete as well and even better than men, then complaints by the men seem to me to be a serious case of sour grapes.

He expands on his theme here.

And by coincidence the reality is presented to us just a day later:

State schools ‘failing girls who want to study physics’

For more than a week the UK’s headlines have obsessed about a 15 year old who’s taken a week away from school, running off to France with her maths teacher.  At the same time, the Institute of Physics (IOP) has found that nearly half of all state schools in England do not send any girls on to study A-level physics.

IOP president Prof Sir Peter Knight says many girls are not receiving the education they are “entitled to”.

Is this another example of a feminism producing a victory for captalism?

Five hours after the news was released Google News had only one news outlet, the BBC, covering the story.

News for 2 October 2012

MontanaWildhack  complaining about her pro-censorship comments being censored.

Really, mods? It’s okay for people to stamp their feet and cry about how unfair and mean you’ve been for banning someone but it’s not okay for me to point out that returning under a new name after a banning is enough reason for someone to be banned again?

I pointed out that Kawtara1 was at least her second Cif ID and that returning under a new name was a banning offence in and of itself.

This was the same Montana who just yesterday was saying:

some people on the left who are motivated by jealousy or spite

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News for 1 October 2012

And a response from JimPress

30 September 2012 5:34PM

BB, I assume that people grass posts up to the mods because they’ve so gleefully boasted about in the past. Periodic Bitey-esque purges are a constant on this particular thread, and there’s normally a pitchfork wielding faux-socialist leading the mob. We know this, so why pretend otherwise?
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BeautifulBurnout to Jim Press:

why do you insist on assuming that when a comment is deleted by the mods, it is because someone has reported it to them? They are perfectly capable of deleting stuff themselves (as I have found out to my cost on many occasions). We have had this conversation before, not that long ago. It is really getting a bit boring now.

Could it be it’s because both she and Backtothepoint have a history of reporting posters to the mods in order to impose their own censorship?

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From JimPress, who’s been posting on CiF for over 5 years:

What a strange and disturbing place this thread has become. Kawtara, an at times unsettling but seldom abusive poster, is banned for challenging one of this thread’s consistently abusive rape-deniers. The rapist’s friend himself, despite a string of deleted posts, lives to abuse another day. Meanwhile Pagey muses on the possibility that a thirty old maths teacher was “groomed” by a child to have a sexual relationship with her, and Gegen reminds us that fifteen year old girls are notoriously “manipulative” when it comes to their apparent seduction of grown men. Neither of these apologists for adult/child sexual liaisons has felt the wrath of the moderators.

What the feck is going on here?

And the delicious irony is that the post was deleted within minutes of being posted.

 

News for 30  September 2012

MontanaWildhack opines on the UT:

There probably are some people on the left who are motivated by jealousy or spite towards those who have more wealth and power than they, but the vast majority of people who adhere to leftist political principles do so out of a desire to see a more just and equitable world.

And on YTU:

She is below the age of consent in the United Kingdom. It doesn’t matter whether she wanted to go with him or not — legally, she just isn’t old enough to have responsibility for that decision.

So in Ms Wildhack’s socialist paradise 15 year olds will only be allowed to travel with the agreement of their parents on both their company and their destination?

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BeautifulBurnout’s comment, 29 September 2012 11:49am

If a Met police officer told me it was Saturday, I would have to go and check a calendar for myself to make sure…

To which tomper2, responded:

If a lawyer told me it was Saturday a bill would probably drop through my letter box the next day.

MrsB takes every opportunity to denigrate the entire Metropolitan Police Service with its 31,000 officers, 13,000 police staff and 3,700 Police Community Support Officers. But I’d be interested to know given her intimate knowledge of corruption and illegal activity in the Met, how many times she’s reported this to the independent Police Complaints Commission?

I hope next time she requires their assistance she’ll at least be honest and decline their offer of help.

And I wonder whether she discloses her contempt for the police service when she is in court prosecuting?

Furthermore:

The three main professional bodies have all set out their stalls against lawyers being “named and shamed” if found guilty by the Legal Ombudsman (LeO) of providing an inadequate service.

Also:

One of the country’s highest paid civil barristers, Jeremy Rosenblatt, has been banned from taking on new clients for three months after he was found guilty of trying to inflate his publicly-funded legal fees.

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AndyLucia, wallowing in self-pity about his resignation from CiF:

I know it means Bitey and his little group of sycophants have silenced another voice (thought you were FOR free speech BTH?), but I have to stay true to myself.

So he runs off sulking from CiF, demands sympathy for his childish behaviour and tries to scapegoat me.

As for me having anything to do with denying him free speech, I’m baffled. Surely this can’t be another case of misidentification a la Xianchen / Xiangchen?

In over 6 years posting on CiF I’ve only ever responded to him once directly, and with others (JaneBasingstoke, Brusselsexpats, fripouille, AndyLucia, HowMeanisMyDetractor, whippersnapp, kizbot, Pagey, Gegenbeispiel, RichJames, unexceptional, goldenmeme, MBC1955) five times. One of these, was to draw his attention to the existence of this site.

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fripouille about Jeremy Forrest:

In other words, he is a man who thinks that if he thinks it’s okay in his mind, he acts. Whatever the cost to others. He is antisocial. He is a narcissist, a man who is incapable of respecting laws which punish his actions, an egotist, a manipulator and a downright nasty piece of work.

BeautifulBurnout

*round of applause*

Now fripouille might be right, time will tell, but who was it who shouted from the rooftops about Dominique Strauss-Kahn – “innocent until found guilty”?

and later:

.……. the guy is 30 years of age, knows what his responsibilities are as a teacher, knows what the law says, and still disregarded it all and flitted off to France with one of his pupils, holding hands and embracing on the boat.

He deserves what’s coming. IMO.

and later still:

If they had a sexual relationship, he will be charged under s.16 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 – Abuse of Position of Trust: Sexual Activity with a child.

If they have not been in a sexual relationship, I dunno… it will depend on what the facts are. But no, assisting a teenage runaway is not an offence.

If they have not been in a sexual relationship, I dunno…

And this is a barrister speaking.

And not for the first time jonniestewpot brings some intelligence to the matter.

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AndyLucia on You Tell Us

Maybe it’s time for me to give this place a bit of a rest too. After all, don’t want to upset Rob, do we.

See you around folks.

And from the Untrusted:

Think of it as my parting gift to Waddya Thaum. I’ve just put in a request to have my profile deleted.

And this over MBC1955‘s post:

Don’t you dare let that boring, hectoring little tit stop you posting! Just ignore him, it is really easy to do

Posters have been banned for being far less abusive.

News for 29  September 2012

BeautifulBurnout’s comment, 29 September 2012 11:49am

If a Met police officer told me it was Saturday, I would have to go and check a calendar for myself to make sure…

To which tomper2, responded:

If a lawyer told me it was Saturday a bill would probably drop through my letter box the next day.

MrsB takes every opportunity to denigrate the entire Metropolitan Police Service with its 31,000 officers, 13,000 police staff and 3,700 Police Community Support Officers. But I’d be interested to know given her intimate knowledge of corruption and illegal activity in the Met, how many times she’s reported this to the independent Police Complaints Commission?

I hope next time she requires their assistance she’ll at least be honest and decline their offer of help.

And I wonder whether she discloses her contempt for the police service when she is in court prosecuting?

Furthermore:

The three main professional bodies have all set out their stalls against lawyers being “named and shamed” if found guilty by the Legal Ombudsman (LeO) of providing an inadequate service.

Also:

One of the country’s highest paid civil barristers, Jeremy Rosenblatt, has been banned from taking on new clients for three months after he was found guilty of trying to inflate his publicly-funded legal fees.

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AndyLucia, wallowing in self-pity about his resignation from CiF:

I know it means Bitey and his little group of sycophants have silenced another voice (thought you were FOR free speech BTH?), but I have to stay true to myself.

So he runs off sulking from CiF, demands sympathy for his childish behaviour and tries to scapegoat me.

As for me having anything to do with denying him free speech, I’m baffled. Surely this can’t be another case of misidentification a la Xianchen / Xiangchen?

In over 6 years posting on CiF I’ve only ever responded to him once directly, and with others (JaneBasingstoke, Brusselsexpats, fripouille, AndyLucia, HowMeanisMyDetractor, whippersnapp, kizbot, Pagey, Gegenbeispiel, RichJames, unexceptional, goldenmeme, MBC1955) five times. One of these, was to draw his attention to the existence of this site.

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fripouille about Jeremy Forrest:

In other words, he is a man who thinks that if he thinks it’s okay in his mind, he acts. Whatever the cost to others. He is antisocial. He is a narcissist, a man who is incapable of respecting laws which punish his actions, an egotist, a manipulator and a downright nasty piece of work.

BeautifulBurnout

*round of applause*

Now fripouille might be right, time will tell, but who was it who shouted from the rooftops about Dominique Strauss-Kahn – “innocent until found guilty”?

and later:

.……. the guy is 30 years of age, knows what his responsibilities are as a teacher, knows what the law says, and still disregarded it all and flitted off to France with one of his pupils, holding hands and embracing on the boat.

He deserves what’s coming. IMO.

and later still:

If they had a sexual relationship, he will be charged under s.16 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 – Abuse of Position of Trust: Sexual Activity with a child.

If they have not been in a sexual relationship, I dunno… it will depend on what the facts are. But no, assisting a teenage runaway is not an offence.

If they have not been in a sexual relationship, I dunno…

And this is a barrister speaking.

And not for the first time jonniestewpot brings some intelligence to the matter.

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AndyLucia on You Tell Us

Maybe it’s time for me to give this place a bit of a rest too. After all, don’t want to upset Rob, do we.

See you around folks.

And from the Untrusted:

Think of it as my parting gift to Waddya Thaum. I’ve just put in a request to have my profile deleted.

And this over MBC1955‘s post:

Don’t you dare let that boring, hectoring little tit stop you posting! Just ignore him, it is really easy to do

Posters have been banned for being far less abusive.

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News for 28  September 2012

For those who feel that my posts about BeautifulBurnout, here’s something I posted on YTU as thevorticist on 2 Dec 2011, at 11:00am:

BeautifulBurnout

The government are currently looking at expanding the purview of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. Perhaps that is the only thing that will stop you pursuing me. Who knows. But I am certainly not putting up with your garbage.

An interesting development that could well threaten the enhanced freedom of speech many are enjoying through the increased interactivity between newspapers, their journalists and their readers, that the internet has allowed. As a contributor both above and below the line, you have benefited more than most from this paradigm shift in media – public relationships.

In the wrong hands though this suggested legislation could be the greatest threat to our freedom of speech since the use of super injunctions for this purpose were exposed by this very newspaper.

Yesterday Adhamhnan provided us with a link to all the 2406 results that the poster you now refer to as a weasel, rather appropriately another endagered species:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/search/comments?page=1&q=bitethehand&section=search-contributions

As a lawyer – perhaps you would select for us those posts you feel you’d be confident putting before a judge and jury under either the current or the proposed Protection from Harassment Act 1997 in order to secure a conviction?

You’re beginning to sound like the naked women flouncing around in front of her curtainless windows, complaining to the police that her neighbours were looking at her.

News for 26  September 2012

BeautifulBurnout, stung by the exposure of her dubious position on holocaust denial and announcing her withdrawal from You Tell Us.

I’m done with that place. It stinks to high heaven.

Well that pledge didn’t last long did it? Three days if my maths is correct, when she posted:

How about something on how recent events have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the police can and will lie – including under oath – obfuscate, exaggerate and smear when it suits their agenda to do so?

Which got this response from notatrotX4

I’m talking about one based in reality and fact. How you were all completely wrong on the Duggan case. That would be quite interesting.

And of course barristers are legendary truth tellers aren’t they.

News for 25  September 2012

Megan Stammers

I look forward to hearing the recommendations of the Untrusted cabal on the fate of  30-year-old Jeremy Forrest whenever he returns to England.  The last time something like this happened the UT  “hang and flog em brigade” were all in favour of the custodial sentence handed down to the 26 year old teacher Helen Goddard.

More on this later.

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In the past I would have posted this on YTU but it will only be deleted by the censors.

Backtothepoint posts:

“I remember two teachers who shagged my fellow schoolboys, aged 13 and under.”

Backtothepoint has posted about a serious criminal offence but hasn’t said whether he’s reported this to the appropriate authorities, whether that’s the police or Ofsted.

But he seems to be quite comfortable that the rapists “Probably got jobs in other boarding schools.”

Update

I notice the post above has been deleted by a moderator but I hope the post has been forwarded to the police so that they can seek an interview with Backtothepoint to obtain the identity of his two former teachers.

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Not for the first time BeautifulBurnout has attempted to denigrate Christianity in its  entirety by portraying as common place, Christians burning little girls for engaging in witchcraft. Here she is castigating Sophiestry on Deborah Orr’s article “The west and the Islamic world should leave one another to live and let live”.

“Don’t get started on quoting bits from the Qu’ran or I will have to start wheeling out bits of the Bible, and it is really tedious when we start doing that, cos all sorts of people say “Oh, but we don’t interpret it in that way!”

Guess what – the majority of Muslims don’t interpret the Qu’ran “in that way” either. And in some countries so-called Christians burn little girls because they are witches.”

This was in response to Sophiestry who had quoted from Sura 4 about the “basic legal apparatus and status of women” under Islam.

Sophiestry responded with the following excellent post that silenced MrsB:

The overwhelming majority of Jewish and Christian ‘scholars’ do not regard the Bible as the direct word of God. There are some fundamentalists who believe so. But in general, Christians and Jews are more inclined to read the Bible through 
the lens of historical context as a result.

But Muslims believe that the Qu’ran is a recitation of the exact word of God. Indeed, it’s written in the Qu’ran that there are tablets in heaven with the Qu’ran itself written down. Even Tariq Ramadan, everyone’s favourite Western Muslim, believes the Qu’ran is the word of God.

I think that puts things in a slightly different light. It’s very difficult to ‘interpret’ several passages telling us that men shall inherit double what women inherit so that you get gender equality. It’s possible, but there’s no doubt that the belief 
that the Qu’ran is the word of God hamstrings such efforts.

By the way, have you yourself read the Qu’ran? I suspect you haven’t.

Neither I suspect has MrsB read much of the Bible, other than the bits Backtothepoint has passed on to her. But I’m intrigued about why she attempts to equate the widespread barbaric practices of Islam – beheading, judicial amputation, stoning, female genital mutilation and so on, with a tiny number of “so-called Christians” burning little girls because they are witches. Even the article she linked to that cites the case of a church in rural Nigeria contained the statement “some of the churches involved are renegade local branches of international franchises.”

So what is her motivation?

Is it to portray both religions as equally barbaric? In which case she’d better find a single member of the Christian church hierarchy who wouldn’t unconditionally condemn “burning little girls because they are witches”. If she can her views might have just a tiny amount of credibility.

Or is it to avoid being critical of these grotesque excesses of Islam?

The reality is that the Buddhist MrsB is adopting the most grotesque aspects of the Islamic religion in condemning all other belief systems in favour of her own.

News for 23  September 2012

Ally Fogg, a CiF censor, writes in a part serious part non-serious article reflecting on the director of public prosecutions’ intervention in the twitter offensive comments issue :

2. Using what you know about people’s work or family life against them. The devil keeps an extra sharp pitchfork to hand for anyone who has ever posted a comment like “You’re a public sector worker? I pay your wages, get back to work.” or “What kind of parent are you if you’re chattering here online all day?” or “You have mental health problems? That explains your views on…” Not only does this deter people from talking frankly about their lives, it reveals the offender to be a judgmental supercilious snotrag. It’s the worst.

Worse than being an online censor Ally?

To which weltschmerzman responded:

There is absolutely NO good reason to “talk frankly” about your private life online. Once you do, however, it becomes your public life, and is, therefore, fair game for use in any interaction. Think about the unfairness of what you’re asking for…

You: I’m a parent and, as such, I consider myself expert enough in that field to say this or that…

Me: In my opinion, if you were a good parent, you’d do this or that…

If you get to use “as a parent”, so do I. Just as when those above the line us “as a feminist” or “as an MP”, etc., I get to take that down and use it in evidence against them.

The Golden Rule of online interaction is:

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of the Internet.

And on the same thread:

BeautifulBurnout

If you want to go down that route, you will have to chuck me out of the country as well because I can guarantee that I hold some opinions about our government and their activities that you will find un-British.

Could she be referring to her support of the 2011 looters, arsonists and rioters?:

Or, as my 16 yr old lad put it when he saw Cameron on the telly this evening: “Well, Mr Cameron, this is what happens when you f**k people over.”

Small wonder she considers that her role as a barrister is to be lenient with young offenders.

MrsB is rather fortunate she didn’t end up in the same article as John Briggs.

News for 22  September 2012

What’s the difference between MontanaWildhack and Chief Whip Andrew Mitchell?

MontanaWildhack would never use the word pleb.

News for 17  September 2012

BeautifulBurnout, stung by the exposure of her dubious position on holocaust denial and announcing her withdrawal from You Tell Us.

I’m done with that place.  It stinks to high heaven. 

Late update from MrsBootstraps, who as a self made business woman who at last recognises where her interest might be, and decides less than a day later that she’d rather spend her life with the CiF minnow, nevertheless responds:

Bella!

Lovely to see you’re back. Congratulations and best wishes. x

News for 16  September 2012

A continuation of the dispute reported below with 4QFive9 joining the discussion, along with Wellcitedevidence:

Wellcitedevidence 15 September 2012 4:48PM

“4QFive9 wrote:

The phrase “playing the Holocaust card” isn’t just disproportionately 
disrespectful, it implies that one of the worst excesses of man is a fucking piece 
in a game. It is an intentionally offensive phrase, deliberately and unnecessarily 
provocative, and one which will be met with disgust by most Jews, whether 
Israeli or not.

4QFive9, you should know that both BeautifulBurnout and Backtothepoint have
previous where Holocaust denial is concerned.

Well cited evidence here and here

Needless to say the post disappeared from the thread without a trace and without even a deletion comment from the moderator.

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BeautifulBurnout on Comment is Free about the poster Kawtara1

But here’s the thing. It’s a free world, this is a free forum, and she can say what she likes and rant about what she wants.

Other than the fact the BeautifulBurnout on one of the chief censors on CiF.

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An interesting dispute between PaulBJ and Jim Press on the one hand and Backtothepoint and BeautifulBurnout on the other.

Reminded me of the time when BTTP and BB staunchly supported holocaust denial on the Untrusted thread. 

BTTP kicked off this episode with the following:

The Gypsies/Roma are an ancient people and were perhaps proportionally the number-one victims of the Nazi holocaust.

Note the weasel word “perhaps”.

Then MrsBootstraps chimed in with:

BTTP said “perhaps” because we don’t actually know – some say proportionally more Roma were killed, some don’t.

“We don’t actually know?” And this is a UK barrister speaking.

MrsB managed to find one academic source that suggested this “proportionally” claim might be the case:

Ian Hancock, Director of the Program of Romani Studies at the University of Texas at Austin, has argued in favour of a higher figure of Roma people killed of between 500,000 and 1,500,000.

However the higher figure is twice the next highest estimate and as such must be questioned.

And to suggest that the enormity and horror of the holocaust against Europe’s Jews can be decided on empirical data alone, is precisely the trick that’s pulled by the deniers and I’m surprised MrsB is using it so willingly.

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Backtothepoint:

As for the reaction in Libya, well, these things happen when the West attacks a country to bring Al Qaeda and its allies to power in the hope of improving the already obscene profits of the oil cartels. The torture, slaughter and oppression of women and ethnic minorities continues apace in Libya. And the conflict has spread to neighbouring African countries, above all Northern Mali, now occupied by Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghrib – something that nobody seems eager to do anything about.

when the West attacks a country to bring Al Qaeda and its allies to power

I’ve previously pointed out Backtothepoint’s inability to comprehend the meaning of “intent” and here once again he proves me right.

As for his crocodile tears about the death of the US ambassador Christopher Stevens and his three colleagues, judge him by his response to the Twin Towers massacre of the innocents:

When, like the USA, you encourage, fund and arm terrorism, you really shouldn’t whine when it turns round and bites you in the arse.

from:

What do you want to talk about?backtothepoint’s comment 2 May 2011 12:29pm.

News for 15  September 2012

BeautifulBurnout on Comment is Free about the poster Kawtara1

But here’s the thing. It’s a free world, this is a free forum, and she can say what she likes and rant about what she wants.

Other than the fact the BeautifulBurnout on one of the chief censors on CiF.

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An interesting dispute between PaulBJ and Jim Press on the one hand and Backtothepoint and BeautifulBurnout on the other.

Reminded me of the time when BTTP and BB staunchly supported holocaust denial on the Untrusted thread. 

BTTP kicked off this episode with the following:

The Gypsies/Roma are an ancient people and were perhaps proportionally the number-one victims of the Nazi holocaust.

Note the weasel word “perhaps”.

Then MrsBootstraps chimed in with:

BTTP said “perhaps” because we don’t actually know – some say proportionally more Roma were killed, some don’t.

“We don’t actually know?” And this is a UK barrister speaking.

MrsB managed to find one academic source that suggested this “proportionally” claim might be the case:

Ian Hancock, Director of the Program of Romani Studies at the University of Texas at Austin, has argued in favour of a higher figure of Roma people killed of between 500,000 and 1,500,000.

However the higher figure is twice the next highest estimate and as such must be questioned.

And to suggest that the enormity and horror of the holocaust against Europe’s Jews can be decided on empirical data alone, is precisely the trick that’s pulled by the deniers and I’m surprised MrsB is using it so willingly.

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Backtothepoint:

As for the reaction in Libya, well, these things happen when the West attacks a country to bring Al Qaeda and its allies to power in the hope of improving the already obscene profits of the oil cartels. The torture, slaughter and oppression of women and ethnic minorities continues apace in Libya. And the conflict has spread to neighbouring African countries, above all Northern Mali, now occupied by Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghrib – something that nobody seems eager to do anything about.

when the West attacks a country to bring Al Qaeda and its allies to power

I’ve previously pointed out Backtothepoint’s inability to comprehend the meaning of “intent” and here once again he proves me right.

As for his crocodile tears about the death of the US ambassador Christopher Stevens and his three colleagues, judge him by his response to the Twin Towers massacre of the innocents:

When, like the USA, you encourage, fund and arm terrorism, you really shouldn’t whine when it turns round and bites you in the arse.

from:

What do you want to talk about?backtothepoint’s comment 2 May 2011 12:29pm.

News for 14  September 2012

MsChin quotes from the Guardian:

For sure, the origins of the police manipulation of the truth and the press track record of distortion were in Orgreave and Wapping.

I’m surprised she didn’t mention the “Zinoviev Letter in her failure to look any further than her own prejudice.

It is quite right that the police failings at Hillsborough and more importantly after the tragedy, should be the main focus of attention, but so far the criminal negligence of the owners and managers of Sheffield Wednesday Football Club has been given too little attention. From this evidence it is quite clear that had these people heeded the warnings they were given eight and eleven years earlier the foreseeable tragedy would have been avoided.

The ground was not used for semi finals again until 1987, by which time there had been various moderations and alterations – none of which led to revised safety certificates. Recommendations to feed the pens from designated turnstiles, enabling the club to monitor the number of fans in each one, were ignored because it would cost too much.

“It is evident from the disclosed documents that South Yorkshire Police were preoccupied with crowd management [but] … Sheffield Wednesday’s primary concern was to limit costs.”  The issue of congested access to the turnstiles remained unresolved, with over 24,000 fans entering through 23 turnstiles at Leppings Lane. The panel found that key issues were not “discussed or recorded” at annual safety inspections. There was a delayed kick off at the 1987 FA Cup semi-final and crushing at the 1988 semi-final. The debriefings from both were “inadequate”.

And:

This extract from the independent panel’s report indicates why it (Sheffield Wednesday FC) was moved to apologise:

From the earliest safety assessments made by safety engineers commissioned in 1978 by SWFC, it was apparent that the stadium failed to meet minimum standards under the Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975 and established in the Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds (known as the ‘Green Guide’), 1976. Documents released to the Panel confirm that the local Advisory Group for Safety at Sports Grounds carried out inadequate and poorly recorded inspections. There is clear evidence that SWFC’s primary consideration was cost and, to an extent, this was shared by its primary safety consultants, Eastwood & Partners….

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More nonsense from Anne Tanner here stating, with no evidence:

…. the level of cooking skills in the UK is appallingly low….

It’s possible to eat well for very little. But we Brits have been weaned off healthy basic foodstuffs and become a ‘just pop it into the microwave’ culture.

Well the first part is true ( It’s possible to eat well for very little) and is regularly and frequently stated by those anti-benefit crusaders who Mrs Tanner and her armchair radicals castigate.

But the second part is prime nonsense as the most healthy diet the vast majority of Britons experienced was during the period of food rationing from 1942 to 1954, and this was imposed on them by central government. Nevertheless it contributed to producing the most healthy and long lived generations ever, including the despised baby boomers.

News for 13  September 2012

BeautifulBurnout

I’m lucky my lad is mild – Aspergers – and has been able to “learn” intellectually over the years (as opposed to instinctively knowing) appropriate responses to most situations. It is never 100% though.

And lucky she certainly is if Nobel Laureate Vernon Smith can be believed, although not I suspect in the way MrsB intends:

What happens when children with autism grow up? It may sound paradoxical, but some with the mildest form, Asperger Syndrome, may turn out to be stars.

People with Asperger’s often have extreme difficulty interacting socially, preferring to focus on narrow fields of interest. But often they’re able to pursue those interests with great intensity. Geniuses throughout history, including Albert Einstein, Andy Warhol and Emily Dickinson, have all been thought to have had Asperger’s. And now Nobel Laureate Vernon Smith has decided to speak openly about what he calls the deficiencies and the selective advantages of Asperger’s.

“I can switch out and go into a concentrated mode and the world is completely shut out,” he said in a recent interview. “If I’m writing something, nothing else exists.”

Smith received the Nobel Prize in 2002 for inventing the field of experimental economics, which uses laboratory methods to test economic theories. Smith says his capacity for deep concentration contributed to his ability to win the Nobel Prize.

“Perhaps even more importantly, I don’t have any trouble thinking outside the box,” he said. “I don’t feel any social pressure to do things the way other people are doing them, professionally. And so I have been more open to different ways of looking at a lot of the problems in economics.”

So exactly what is the disability that results from “mild-Asperger Syndrome”?

News for 12  September 2012

Here’s irony:

Julian Assange threatened to sue the film festival South by Southwest if it aired a documentary titled WikiLeaks: Secrets and Lies.

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News for 11  September 2012

BeautifulBurnout, 10 September 2012 4:44pm……

Defending unpaid intern work in her Barristers’ Chambers:

Oh do shut up all you “work placement = slavery” idiots. Honestly. Get a grip.

So how does this attitude sit with the ATOS = G4S =SLAVE DRIVERS accusation, that if I’m not mistaken, MrsBootstraps has been very eager to support, when made by the likes of ArecBalrin and RichJames, among others.

News for 7  September 2012

Interesting time on YTU tonight:

Here’s BeautifulBurnout – self made women:

JimPress – Bitey isn’t a “heretic”, he’s a stalker and a Peeping Tom. If CiF were a village, he would be the one sending anonymous poison pen letters, carefully handwritten in green ink, and furious missives to the authorities typed on an old Remington, of a “down with that sort of thing” ilk.

(P-Brax, on the other hand, is funny as f00k. I have quite a soft spot for him, and I miss his rants.)

OK MrsBootstraps, lets see what we each said about your flirtation with Backtothepoint‘s adulation of the Soviet dictatorship:

Here’s me:

BeautifulBurnout, re The Prague Spring and the Soviet dictators, yesterday said:

They, (the PCF) told Dubček he had misjudged the situation. There was nothing in that statement that said “You misjudged the situation because you were wrong” or “You misjudged the situation because the power of the mighty USSR will crush you with our support”.

To which I replied:

“But with 5000 tanks and 250,00 troops on the border they didn’t have to say much, just wait for the Soviets to butcher 72 Czechs on the streets of their own capital city and keep control for another 21 years.

So no you weren’t eulogising, but IMO you were making excuses for one of the most brutal regimes that ever graced the planet.”

And PeterBracken responded the folllowing day:

She was, Brooklynowes, and her defence was the kind of shabby appeal to understanding that has made sections of the Left the joke that it is.

To which I added:

“Except that when subject to a proper analysis, I suggest they are not consistently on the left, but that in some cases, as with the events of 1968 and the struggle for freedom and democracy that was so brutally snuffed out in Czechoslovakia, they are very definitely with the right wing government status quo, whether that is in the West or the Soviet bloc.”

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Here’s the despicable Backtothepoint responding to the question, What would you call a suicide bomber?

It depends who or what they’re bombing

And later just to clarify his position he posted:

When you say “suicide bomber”, people think of a hate-filled, fanatical Muslim bent on blowing up innocent civilians. But what about a Tommy throwing himself into a German machine-gun nest on a Normandy beach with a live grenade to take it out and protect his mates? Both caricatures. Both suicide bombers.

That Tommy would be a British soldier sacrificing his life to free Backtothepoint’s adopted country from the scourge of Nazism.

I very much doubt that Backtothepoint could produce a single example of a British soldier who acted in the way he decribes on 6 June 1944, despite his weasel words “both caricatures”.  But even if such an event had happened, for him to equate that soldier’s act of courage and sacrifice with the cowardice of his precious Hamas suicide bombers is obscene.

And later still just to compound his ignorance:

My point was, would you have condemned a suicide bomber who took out Hitler? For instance, if Stauffenberg had succeeded in blowing up Hitler, but had blown himself up too in the process? Historical enough for you?

Except that for Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg an army officer and aristocrat to have contemplated such a move would have contradicted the entire basis of his opposition to Hitler. It was a lack of leadership in the anti-Nazi resistance that resulted in the failure in Operation Valkyrie. Backtothepoint’s suggestion that von Stauffenberg would ever have considered suicide is frankly laughable.

News for 6  September 2012

BeautifulBurnout, 4 September 2012 11:04PM  trying to re-write history in order to score points over Kawtara1

MrsB states about the bail jumping Julian Assange:

At this stage there is “probable cause” – in English law that is “reasonable grounds to suspect” that an offence has been committed.

I hope that clarifies the issue. I usually charge for this kind of legal advice, but seeing as it is you, you can buy me a pint instead. :p

But MrsB’s original legal advice was:

Call me a tinfoil hatter if you like but does anyone else believe this pile of steaming crap?

Will MrsB now post an apology to the two Swedish women she traduced?

I’m beginning the wonder whether MrsB is one of those who has lost her bail money.

And if any more evidence were required to condemn MrsB as a rape apologist, she goes on to say:

Originally the complainants did not make a rape complaint.

So rape victims who don’t immediately report the crime to the police are to be denied justice?

Is MrsB proposing a time limit – a couple of hours, two days, a week, or what?

Isn’t this is exactly what rapists and their lawyers have been arguing in court and out of court for decades?

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News for 4  September 2012

More nonsense from Northminer and BeautifulBurnout

NorthMiner, speaking presumably about the Labour Party:

…the only party that spoke for the vulnerable, now they don’t even hide the fact that they’re trying to kill people.

“trying to kill people”?

And continuing in hyperbolic mode urging people to sign his petition:

If you were in the Third Reich, would have kept quiet or would you have spoken up for decency and what is right? We’re now facing a progrom of the vulnerable through starvation

I assume he means pogrom.

1933 November 28 A pogrom at Jassy in Romania is carried out by the Iron Guard.

And BeautifulBurnout displaying even more ignorance:

Nobody could have said in 1933 what the outcome was going to be by 1943.

Presumably apart from these people:

1933 February 12, Jews begin an exodus from Nazi Germany.

So what were they doing MrsB, going on holiday?

And plenty of other examples from the same source for the ignorant MrsB to start educating herself.

News for 1 – 2 September 2012

For all her success as a practising barrister, self-made business woman and sterling example to unemployed people to locate their backbone and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, MrsB and her beau Backtothepoint really do come out with some nonsense.

I’ve posted a new piece illustrating the pair at their most obscene – BeautifulBurnout, Backtothepoint – Nazi = NATO = United Nations

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News for 31 August 2012

Untrusted Sheffield meet up at The Rutland Arms, Sheffield from 4.00pm on Saturday, 1 September 2012.

My photographer will be there at 3pm to get a good seat – it’s bound to be crowded.

News for 30 August 2012

MsChin writes

Who hides the money made in the drugs trade?

“In the 2005 World Drugs Report the UNODC put the value [of the global drug trade] at US$13bn at production level, $94bn at wholesale level and US$332bn based upon retail prices”.

http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012&#8230;

And if the Untrusted didn’t contribute,  that $94bn would be considerably lower. After all there’s barely a day goes by when someone on the UT isn’t extolling the virtues of the products that produce the need to launder that amount of cash,

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News for 29 August 2012

Backtothepoint posts:

Has anyone beaten my personal record of over a thousand recs in under two minutes? Can’t remember what it was about, but I expect it’s still in my posting history somewhere. And I can only think of one person who’s obsessive enough to know exactly where.

Surely there can’t be that many Hamas terrorists reading CiF  🙂

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I have never once sworn at anyone in my entire posting history…..

Well said Brusselsexpats and the same for me.

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Backtothepoint posted yesterday:

And the only thing you find disgusting is a comment denouncing the fact that the terrorist Israeli state continually plays the “terrorist” and Holocaust cards in an attempt to silence any criticism of its war crimes and apartheid?

Isn’t this the same Backtothepoint who argues that a homicidal suicide bomber who detonates his explosives in a university restaurant is the same as a pilot whose bombs might fall on an unoccupied school at night, from which rockets are suspected of being fired?

And who said in his taunt to those whose friends and relations died in the Twin Towers:

When, like the USA, you encourage, fund and arm terrorism, you really shouldn’t whine when it turns round and bites you in the arse.

from:

What do you want to talk about?backtothepoint’s comment 2 May 2011 12:29PM

Is hypocrisy the correct term?

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News for 28 August 2012

Untrusted Sheffield meet up at The Rutland Arms, Sheffield from 4.00pm on Saturday, 1 September 2012.

My photographer will be there at 3pm to get a good seat – it’s bound to be crowded.

An interesting response to John Pilger’s New Statesman piece on Assange here:

The Voice of (Male) Privilege

This is a breathtaking article – breathtaking in its bigotry, breathtaking in the poverty of the research that went into it, breathtaking in its sheer lie-spinning. This is truly one of the worst pieces of ‘real’ journalism I have ever read.

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News for 27 August 2012

Another  interesting piece here about whether it’s ever legitimate to joke about rape and mental health issues:

Legitimate Language on Rape and Mental Health

It reminded me about an exchange I had with one of CiF’s censors AllyF about this very issue, one he’s repeated since, so clearly sees nothing wrong with it:

Comment on The subtle art of misogyny, by Bidisha 13 Oct 09, 9:53pm

AllyF posted among other things:

Tell you what – you commission Bidisha to explain what she means by misogyny, how she defines it, how it manifests itself, how it differs from other forms of sexism, and if I / we think she has a point, then we’ll acknowledge it.

To which I responded:

Tell you what – you write an article to explain what you mean by “paranoid fruitloop” how you define it, how it manifests itself, how it differs from other forms of paranoia, and if I / we think you have a point, then we’ll acknowledge it.

News for 26 August 2012

From Cath Elliott’s – Rape is not……

As we now know – in fact as we’ve known since about an hour after Stephens’ bizarre announcement – the lawyer got it wrong. Assange was and still is wanted for questioning in Sweden about allegations of rape, unlawful coercion, and sexual molestation. ‘Sex by surprise’ doesn’t even exist as a crime in Sweden, or indeed anywhere in the world, it’s simply a really rubbish mistranslation of the word ’överraskningssex’, which is a Swedish slang term for rape.

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And here’s the rape apologist Backtothepoint: or is that just backtotheconfused?

If I woke up with someone even if we’d only had sex for the first time the night before, I would feel I could still assume enough consent to at least take them in my arms. If they showed no signs of stirring, I’d be a little worried and end up shaking them. If they still remained firmly unconscious, I’d probably call an ambulance.

I just can’t imagine someone undrugged continuing to sleep during penetration.

So according to you BTTP if they don’t wake up and they’ve not been rendered unconscious by drugs, they can’t have been raped?

and Backtothepoint again:

I’m delighted to have lived my youth at a time when you didn’t apparently have to get a permit signed and witnessed in triplicate to have sex with someone.

How many of us have never at some point in our lives drifted drowsily into sex on waking up with a partner and have we always checked it was OK with the other person first? I’ve pretty much always counted on being pushed away or grunted disapprovingly at if my attentions are unwelcome.

And is it possible for a woman to remain asleep while being entered without being drugged (I include alcohol in that)? As far as I can remember, every partner I’ve ever had has woken enough to react PDQ in one way or another on being touched intimately (as have I), let alone entered.

And here’s someone called Mspithy agreeing with him:

Yes, as a liberated woman who had been there done that too – but has no truck with rape, I agree. that this is a clumsy attempt to get someone for other reasons (just like the British Ambassador in the news – at last) is just so obvious one could weep that otherwise educated people can not see it for what it is – trumped up rubbish!

News for 25 August 2012

From Cath Elliott’s – Assange, and feminism’s so-called male allies

That’s the narrative that suggests that Assange’s two accusers are part of some CIA inspired honey-trap and that the great man himself is the only victim here – a victim of some dark and covert plot. It’s also a narrative that says, yet again, that women who accuse men of rape are not to be believed, and that the rights of important men doing important work should trump a woman’s right to justice.

News for 24 August 2012

From Today’s Guardian:

Lisa Longstaff, in We are Women Against Rape but we do not want Julian Assange extradited. 23 Aug 2012

It is not for us to decide whether or not the allegations are true and whether what happened amounts to rape or sexual violence – we don’t have all the facts and what has been said so far has not been tested.

Compare with:

Victims report rape assuming that their report will be acted on. Not tea and sympathy, but protection and justice.

Lisa Longstaff, in Rape victims don’t want tea and sympathy but protection and justice. 2 April 2009.

Despite decades of campaigning publicly and privately for the police to take rape seriously, all we have seen is a series of public relations exercises that change nothing. Rape continues to be deprioritised. Each time we complain we are told that rape is particularly difficult to prove.

There is a readiness to believe the man over the woman; to dismiss the word of any young woman who has been drinking or drugged, and even the word of children. There is a habit of delaying arrest for days, weeks or months while rapists continue to assault girls and women.

Lisa Longstaff, in The rapists’ best friend.  14 March 2010

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Akin and Galloway have three things in common. Both are men. Both encourage rape deniers. And both have acted like fools

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Julie Bindel writes on Assange and Galloway on 21 August 2012:

What is depressing is that it is, in this instance, coming from men on the left – those who are supposed to be our comrades and allies. Yet again I am hearing loud and clear: “Yes dear, you can have your equality, but can you wait until we have ours first please?”

But sadly “men on the left” and indeed some “women on the left” – like Anne Tanner have too often taken the view that the demand for female  equality has been and still is “identity politics”, that should be denied its legitimacy.

Bitethehand wrote, 04 June 2009, 4:31pm:

When feminism confronted the revolutionary movement, almost exclusively led by men, it was those men who rather than recognise feminism as an age old legitimate demand that women should have equality, instead, perverted its aims in an attempt to divert it into their own ‘revolutionary movement’. It was the men’s inability to recognise that even capitalist society could exist without patriarchy or indeed with matriarchy, that allowed them to assume that feminism and socialism were one and the same and as such the women should hold off with their demands until after the men had stormed the barricades and established the socialist state.

Fortunately feminists saw through this farrago of nonsense and went their own ways.

And from the same thread in response to my post, this one by Bochi:

I can remember that too, we got the same fed to gays, we were all supposed to sit on the picket line at Grunwicks waiting for the dawn of world revolution while the brilliant theorists of the party worked out the correct line. Indeed I can recall being told by one ageing communist that my sexuality was a “bourgeois aberration” which would disappear under a truly socialist society. Bollocks to that.

And what did AllyFogg contribute?

This:

I’m not entirely sure what the point is here. It’s like one of those People Front of Judea meetings where someone stands up and says: “Sisters, we must stop fighting amongst ourselves and unite behind our common cause.” and everyone agrees for about 30 seconds, until they have to decide what the common cause actually is, at which point they all start fighting again.

It’s interesting looking back at CiF threads how Ally Fogg liked to turn anything he didn’t agree with into a Monty Pythonesque comedy. Which presumably is why he’s now pegged his tent so firmly in the Menz camp.

Ally Fogg is a CiF censor.

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Here’s thaumaturge posting on YTU:

But Assange is only wanted for questioning; there have been no charges laid, and neither of the women actually accused him of rape; that was the prosecutor.

So here for thaumaturge is her own newspaper’s condemnation of her trickery:

And there is no older trick in the rape denial repertoire than to blame the victim instead of the perpetrator .

If she thinks the highest court in the UK would send Assange back to Sweden merely to question him she needs to point us to where in the court’s judgement this appears.

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News for 23 August 2012

Backtothepoint, in defence of Assange and Dominique Strauss Kahn and in order to condemn Nafissatou Diallo, a poor, black, single mother immigrant, trade unionist, hotel cleaner wrote:

I forget who said the other day that if the DSK Sofitel affair had been a honeytrap organised by Sarkozy’s people, they would have used a better operative. 

Well wouldn’t Nixon have used better burglars?

The bungling operative of course according to Backtothe point is  Nafissatou Diallo.

And Backtothepoint, when the DSK affair first came to light, all but accused Sarkozy, the CIA, the management of the Sofitel hotel and the French Secret Service of conspiracy:

There are a lot of people (well, mainly Sarko) who would like to see DSK set up, so I’d be looking for lots of supporting evidence.

and

If I were writing a thriller, I might run with the idea of the CIA liking Sarkozy’s pro-Americanism. If they can try firing poison into Castro’s lemonade, I would have thought a sexual assault fit-up would be well within their capabilities.

and

On this morning’s Today programme (0:40:50), they mentioned the Mail saying that a UMP (Sarkozy’s party) activist apparently knew about the scandal before it happened. Anyone heard anything about that?

But Better burglars?

G. Gordon Liddy was the chief operative for the White House Plumbers unit that existed from July–September 1971, during Richard Nixon’s presidency. Separately, along with E. Howard Hunt, Liddy organized and directed the Watergate burglaries of the Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate building in May and June 1972.

Gordon Liddy who recruited and trained the Watergate burglars was at age 29, the youngest Bureau Supervisor at FBI national headquarters in Washington, D.C., earning multiple commendations from Hoover, the notorious head of the FBI. He left the FBI in 1962 to practice international law in Manhattan. Liddy worked as a lawyer in New York City and a prosecutor in Dutchess County, New York. In 1966, he organized the arrest and unsuccessful trial of Timothy Leary.

Backtothe point is one of CiF’s censors.  The proof is here, and here and here.  He would have made an excellent member of Liddy’s anti-democracy squads.

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News for 22 August 2012

thaumaturge whose CiF avatar I believe, portrays her as a seductive temptress and who once posted, somewhat ironically, “I’m not really worried about the employment prospects of workers in the fashion industry”  posts on YTU, in support of Assange,

thaumaturge posts:

Fully agree that Galloway’s comment is reprehensible.

But Assange is only wanted for questioning; there have been no charges laid, and neither of the women actually accused him of rape;

But Galloway and Assange are both denying that women who are asleep cannot be raped and you thaumaturge are agreeing with them.

One women states Assange raped her while she was asleep when she could not have given consent. Assange is being given the opportunity to return to Sweden to defend himself against this accusation before he is charged or allowed to go free. He admits to being in the woman’s bed and having sex, so the question he needs to answer is whether it was consensual. The entire legal process in the UK has been at his disposal for two years and despite some of the finest legal brains in the world (no not you MrsB), that process and those legal brains have decided he must return to Sweden.

If thaumaturge is also saying that women who are alseep cannot be raped, which is the only position open to her, then she puts herself in the same court as Galloway and Todd Akin whose claim, now retracted, was that raped women cannot get pregnant.

thaumaturge is one of the CiF censors.

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Anne Tanner exhorts us yet again:

Try reading the Communist Manifesto Chekhov available here:

This in defence of her claim that the theories of Karl Marx are as relevant today as Newton’s theory of gravity:

Lots of theories developed in the 19th century are very far from past their sell by date and Marx is no different, the basics still apply.

For goodness sake Newton was 18th century and much of his work, that governing the laws of gravity   for example, still stands.

So what does Marx write in the Preamble?

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

Except they didn’t and it wasn’t. This was a figment of Marx’s imagination; probably something he hoped was true, but for which there was and is no empirical, or any other proof.

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Understatement of the year from Anne Tanner:

Frog  in my everyday life I don’t bang on about Marx all the time.

And without reading any further I knew she was going to end with this from his 1845 “Theses on Feuerbach”:

Philosophers have long sort to explain the world the point is to change it.

Doubtless when they’ve sorted it they’ll seek another problem to explain.

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News for 21 August 2012

Anne Tanner exhorts us yet again:

Try reading the Communist Manifesto Chekhov available here:

This in defence of her claim that the theories of Karl Marx are as relevant today as Newton’s theory of gravity:

Lots of theories developed in the 19th century are very far from past their sell by date and Marx is no different, the basics still apply.

For goodness sake Newton was 18th century and much of his work, that governing the laws of gravity   for example, still stands.

So what does Marx write in the Preamble?

I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a power.

Except they didn’t and it wasn’t. This was a figment of Marx’s imagination; probably something he hoped was true, but for which there was and is no empirical, or any other proof.

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Understatement of the year from Anne Tanner:

Frog  in my everyday life I don’t bang on about Marx all the time.

And without reading any further I knew she was going to end with this from his 1845 “Theses on Feuerbach”:

Philosophers have long sort to explain the world the point is to change it.

Doubtless when they’ve sorted it they’ll seek another problem to explain.

News for 20 August 2012

And now Anne Tanner that staunchest of supporters of the Labour Party has come out in support of HankScorpio’s racism, with not a word of condemnation.

Sadly though, by the 80’s the Labour Party was becoming infected with the ideas developed in 1968 (the post modernist New Left) which effectively abandoned the working class as an agent of revolution, turning instead to blacks and women. this is what I (and I think Hank) mean by identity politics……So actually we agree.

Infected?

Anne Tan makes it sound as if the Labour Party was  a victim of some unknown disease that made it racist and misogynist and about which it could do nothing other than await a cure. It was her Labour Party, as is clearly demonstrated by her views here that failed to provide an organisation in which women and black people were welcomed and felt they were wanted. Small wonder and good for them that they decided to fight for their own identity whatever the members of that increasingly moribund organisation decreed.

Despite the rabid racism displayed by HankScorpio over a number of years, has Anne Tanner ever spoken out against it?

I’ll return to the subject of Anne Tanner’s prejudices later.

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News for 19 August 2012

Yet despite better advice, Montana Wildhack continues to give support to Putin over his persecution of the heroic women of Pussy Riot :

As I said in my first comment on this, I’m just questioning the reaction in the West that ignores the fact that what these women did was a criminal act even in our own countries.

A criminal Act – presumably Montana is now an expert in international law?

Or is she accepting that Putin’s corrupt legal system is beyond criticism and without even seeking the opinions of her foot soldiers, putting the weight of the Untrusted collective behind her assertion?

In my brief time posting on CiF (six years) I can’t recall that people from any of what Montana refers to as “our own countries” have expressed anything other than support for the freedom of speech the Pussy Riot protesters are seeking.

But if I’m wrong, doubtless she’ll advise me.

So my conclusion is that Montana, despite her protestation is what in more civilised times would be referred to as a Soviet toady.  

And as such she joins that other Soviet disciple Backtothepoint. 

Do I detect a pattern here?

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And despite all the requests from her friends on YTU, Montana Wildhack still refuses to accpet any criticism of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and his regime’s persecution of the Pussy Riot protesters.

I’m trying to think of a new heading for Montana’s site but the best I can come up with now is, to paraphrase her latest  post on CiF,

There are limits on free speech and Putin determines them.

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afanc / Leni / afandogge a much admired and respected UT and CiF contributor states in support of the racist HankScorpio:

Hank – Agree about identity politics – but not with your approach.

So if you despise and oppose identity politics, as does the racist HankScorpio, what is this quite admirable obsession of yours with “sick and disabled people”?

Sick or disabled people who are honest on their applications will not get interviews – on the rare ocassion that they do this is uasually simply to comply with legislation. Sick and disabled applicants are never told the real reason for not getting the job

Or are they an exception to Hank’s identity political groups?

Or are you just pandering to a racist bully?

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A certain shazzbot who’s been posting on CiF since August 2006 has announced her / his resignation.

So here’s his  / her first post:

I’m American, and I think the problem with politicians is how they speak to each other in Parliament. It’s a bunch of school-boy braying and macho posturing! It’s no wonder that respect for colleagues is so difficult in the workplace here … although “the kids today” might not be paying that much attention to politics, surely that kind of behaviour (not just reported in newspaper sketch columns but also shown on the TV news) MUST have some sort of influence. Parliament’s the honing ground for saying things for effect rather than to convey content, and for behaving eternally like unruly children.

An excellent first post shazzbot on a thread that attracted just 12 posts.

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And now HankScorpio, the darling of the UT cabal, really nails his colours to the mast with this racist jibe aimed at paulbj:

It’s about class and money, Uncle Tom. Always was.

Uncle Tom?

When was it that HankScorpio joined the KKK / National Front / BNP?

Maybe he was a founder member who only now has come out of the closet.

And will any of the pseudo revolutionary socialists on the UT dare to upset him by opposing his racism?

Well here’s Leni – also posting as afanc:

Hank  –  Agree about identity politics – but not with your approach. 

Whatever you intend – no matter how you defend yourself – it comes across as racist. 

Come across as racist?

Nicely honest Leni, although only after being challenged on CiF by kawatara1:

why would you question why you comment on here -think about why you comment elsewhere- you have some raving middle class white man slagging of pauljb (no response from you on there is there) or anyone else

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Busy night – and now HankScorpio has joined in with his racist post on Montana’s site aimed at PaulBJ:

The shortened version was classic Cif. Identity politics mixed with the authentic voice of the house-trained exotic.

If you were realy radical, you’d emerge from the ghetto occasionally and make some noise about the fact that your handlers are all middle class, regardless of their race or gender.

“house-trained exotic”?        emerge from the ghetto?

Isn’t that the kind of racist slur that Hank used back in 2010 when he posted:

02 October, 2010 03:05  HankScorpio said…

You’re not proud, Paul. We all know that. Your humble and subservient, and very very greedy for approval. It’s sad to see. You need to get some self-respect.

As for wiping the floor with my white arse, don’t be silly. You’re playing up to racial stereotypes there.

“You’re dont exist as far as i’m concerned.”

Suits me. Fuck off back to waddya. As I said earlier, you’ll be more at home there. Maybe hermione can take you on as her houseboy.

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MontanaWildhack, whose banning of me from her site prompted me to set up here, and whose hatred of her own country she has documented ATL on CiF, at last has the honesty to proclaim her allegiance to the thug that presides over Russia, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

Here she is on You Tell Us:

Three women who call themselves Pussy Riot (and are part of a larger feminist group?) entered the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour during a service, went to the rood screen (which, as I understand, is a part of the church where only priests are allowed in the Russian Orthodox Church) and started singing an obscenity-laced anti-Putin song invoking the Virgin Mary that they refer to as a “punk prayer”.

Do I have that right? Furthermore, do I really understand people to believe that this was something that shouldn’t be punished at all?

How hatred of your own country can destroy your critical faculties Montana.

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Brilliant response from JimPress to Backtothepoint’s defence of Dominque Strauss-Kahn, the disgraced former head of the International Monetary Fund:

I repeat, it was very revealing to see cartoon communists instinctively branding a poor black powerless immigrant woman as a liar while defending the honour of a rancid, but powerful, old (as you rightly say) right-winger.

Cartoon Communists?

Since when was someone who spends almost his entire life courting MrsBootstraps on You Tell Us, in any way a communist?

I thought they were supposed to out and about fomenting revolution and storming barricades.

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Does anyone know why ellymiranda was banned from CiF after making an appearance on the thread following Ally Fogg’s article  New fathers’ depression is not narcissism?

She posted five times on that thread yet despite Ally responding below the line fifteen times, he totally ignored her contributions.

I do know that earlier Backtothepoint accused ellymiranda of being me, (posting as Taxonomist),  after I’d provided evidence of BeautifulBurnout, a senior female member of the UK’s legal profession, claiming that an accusation of rape was “a pile of steaming crap” and “stinks to high heaven”.

But then Julian Assange’s anti-US stance would I suggest, in MrsB’s eyes redeem him from involvement in just about any crime.

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In response to a post from Adele about accusations of her being another poster I thought I’d put together a case study in which over the course of a couple of days, Backtothepoint managed to convince himself that I and Peter Bracken were one and the same person.

Backtothepoint – a case of mistaken identity and obstinacy beyond the call of duty.

News for 18 August 2012

So is Ally Fogg now suggesting that all men should be allowed to sit next to unaccompanied children on international flights, without the airline staff being concerned?

And all in the name of some dubious concept of equality?

News for 17 August 2012

So is Ally Fogg now suggesting that all men should be allowed to sit next to unaccompanied children on international flights, without the airline staff being concerned?

And all in the name of some dubious concept of equality?

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Julian Assange

As and when and if Julian Assange arrives in Ecuador, he might after having some time to reflect, conclude that it might just have been better to have risked spending a little time in one of Sweden’s civilised prisons, where he could also have reflected on his appalling attitude to women.

But in time he would have left as a free and reformed, or even unreformed individual.

Instead he has decided to become an unwanted guest in a country whose president has volunteered it for international opprobrium, by giving diplomatic protection to someone who has exhausted what is probably the world’s most extensive judicial process, but refused to accept it’s verdict.

In the meantime the two women who accuse him of attempted rape and sexual assault must abandon their constitutional rights to have their claims properly investigated.

Of course Comment is Free’s resident barrister, BeautifulBurnout decreed at the very beginning , with a rhetorical question,   that this was all a pile of steaming crap.

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News for 16 August 2012

I watched the first two episodes of Ken Hom and Ching-He Huang’s series on Chinese food and cooking. Somewhat repetitive so far with excessive praise for steamed buns featuring in both episodes. This photograph shows a typical Chinese meal for maybe a dozen people and all the dishes have yet to arrive.  So far the programmes have largely featured Ken and Ching cooking a solitary dish each. Very little so far on the claim that to understand Chinese culture you need to understand Chinese food and cooking.

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News for 14 August 2012

I watched the first two episodes of Ken Hom and Ching-He Huang’s series on Chinese food and cooking. Somewhat repetitive so far with excessive praise for steamed buns featuring in both episodes. This photograph shows a typical Chinese meal for maybe a dozen people and all the dishes have yet to arrive.  So far the programmes have largely featured Ken and Ching cooking a solitary dish each. Very little so far on the claim that to understand Chinese culture you need to understand Chinese food and cooking.

Riveting stuff on the UT Sunday night with Hank Scorpio in his new guise as BillyBragg (sic), heyhabib, PaulBJ, as ever the voice of reason, well almost, and MsChin.

Here’s Hank:

You’re like a lot of puffed up internet windbags, full of sound and fury and signifying nothing. A pompous little man with nothing to say.

Sites like this are all the worse for little people like you chasing the interesting people away.

and

I genuinely think it’s sad that a black man is so lacking in self-esteem that he sucks up so cravenly to his white middle-class mistresses.

And a response about his offer of an offline chat:

Additionally i can name at least two other posters here who you’ve had charming little offline chats with and then at a later date you’ve publicly humiliated them by repeating stuff here that they told you -offline- in confidence .So i’ll pass on calling you up because to be frank with you i wouldn’t trust you further than i could fling you.

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News for 13 August 2012

Riveting stuff on the UT last night with Hank Scorpio in his new guise as BillyBragg (sic), heyhabib, PaulBJ, as ever the voice of reason, well almost, and MsChin.

Here’s Hank:

You’re like a lot of puffed up internet windbags, full of sound and fury and signifying nothing. A pompous little man with nothing to say.

Sites like this are all the worse for little people like you chasing the interesting people away.

and

I genuinely think it’s sad that a black man is so lacking in self-esteem that he sucks up so cravenly to his white middle-class mistresses.

And a response about his offer of an offline chat:

Additionally i can name at least two other posters here who you’ve had charming little offline chats with and then at a later date you’ve publicly humiliated them by repeating stuff here that they told you -offline- in confidence .So i’ll pass on calling you up because to be frank with you i wouldn’t trust you further than i could fling you.

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News for 11 August 2012

“Just hard working and graft”  – Mo Farah. –  post 5000 metres gold medal win.

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I’ve been away but got back just in time to watch Mo Farah win twin golds.

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But while away Ally Fogg has posted on his site, about me……….

I suspect if they opened up your torso they’d find a little shrivelled black worm where your heart used to be.

…………………. A response which I might have predicted, would have come from someone who’d managed to jump from feminism to Menz4Justice  in a single post.

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News for 8 August 2012

From Peter Carey’s tribute to Bob Hughes:

He was unashamedly elitist, and was happy to declare his preference for the company of the cultured to the ill-read.

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But for at least two of the Chinese nationals in the crowd even this gesture did not overcome what they perceived as an in-built bias against the Olympic medal table-toppers. “I thought it was a bit disappointing, not very fair,” said Guo Dongyi, standing with girlfriend Luo Zhoungyue, both from Chengdu in south-west China and studying at Glasgow University. “They were cheering for Japan all the way through. There was no support for China. I went to the Beijing Games, to watch the basketball. I thought the crowds there were much more friendly, much more welcoming to other teams.”

Despite their time at Glasgow University, Guo Dongyi and Luo Zhoungyue have yet to understand that while in my experience many people in China support the favourite and the best, as the article says later, for many in Britain, “cheers tend to otherwise be distributed fairly equally, with perhaps a tendency of bias towards perceived underdogs.”

Continuing his theme, Ally Fogg writes on female on male violence:

Coronation Street is performing a valuable role in getting us talking about this topic. Let’s hope viewers are willing to listen.

If social media is any guide, Corrie has succeeded in getting the nation talking about the subject.

Really, I thought they were talking about all those medals in the Olympics.

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News for 7 August 2012

Continuing his theme, Ally Fogg writes on female on male violence:

Coronation Street is performing a valuable role in getting us talking about this topic. Let’s hope viewers are willing to listen.

If social media is any guide, Corrie has succeeded in getting the nation talking about the subject.

Really, I thought they were talking about all those medals in the Olympics.

 

News for 5 August 2012

What kind of scheduling is it that makes Andy Murray have to play the men’s tennis finals against Roger Federer and on the same afternoon play the mixed doubles final with Laura Robson?

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When Ally Fogg included the word Patriarchy in the name of his blog, I thought maybe it was a tongue in cheek reference to the Fathers 4 Justice followers who he attracts whenever he write for Comment is Free.

Now given his defence of Tamen, I think Ally’s actually crossed the road and pitched his tent in their camp site.

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News for 3 August 2012

Ally Fogg posts:

I can only apologise for the comment by Bitethehand.

To which my reply is:

I’m doubtful about the existence of deities but Ally comes quite close to destroying my certainty.

But not that close.

I guess as one of the Gold Medalists in hypocrisy,  he’s one of  Comment is Free’s censors,  he feels sufficiently deified to apologise for someone else.  Amazing.

If I feel the need to apologise I’ll do it myself. And  if Ally Fogg wants to use his site to re-write history, so be it, but he can’t expect this to go unchallenged.

And this from someone who seems unable to comment on an article about rape without all too often introducing the red herring of “false accusation”.

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News for 2 August 2012

Having paid my tribute to Danny Boyle’s Olympics opening ceremony, here’s something with which I’m in complete agreement:

The one thing that really disappointed about the opening ceremony was the complete absence of our contribution to science – we had a couple of engineers in Brunel and Berners-Lee, but where were Newton and Darwin? They are the only two Britons that would make the top 10 most influential humans of all time (and regularly do in polls, etc). People in other countries must have looked on in disbelief.

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Ally Fogg has written about the appropriateness of the term “victim blaming” when women are raped and has instead proposed something like ‘responsibility-shifting.’

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News for 1 August 2012

Ally Fogg has written about the appropriateness of the term “victim blaming” when women are raped and has instead proposed something like ‘responsibility-shifting.’

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News for 31 July 2012

MrsBootstraps opines:

What’s this about JoeMcCann being deaded?

Nooooooo!

That sucks big time.

BeautifulBurnout pioneered an alliance with the moderators with the objective of banning posters with whom she didn’t agree, and who didn’t agree with her.

Now she reaps her own whirlwind.

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News for 31 July 2012

MrsBootstraps opines:

What’s this about JoeMcCann being deaded?

Nooooooo!

That sucks big time.

BeautifulBurnout pioneered an alliance with the moderators with the objective of banning posters with whom she didn’t agree, and who didn’t agree with her.

Now she reaps her own whirlwind.

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News for 28 July 2012

Ally Fogg opening the CiF comments on the Opening Ceremony:

Oh my god, what an embarrassment!

What a disaster!

…..Ooh look, it’s a giant golden spliff… spark it up mate.

I’m quite surprised at such infantile pseudo-populism from Ally Fogg.

Danny Boyle, the creator of the greatest show on earth on Friday night, and previously the creator of some of the most socially relevant movies of recent history,  is a man who describes himself as a “spiritual atheist”, and as such somewhat like the Ally Fogg I’ve read in the Guardian since 2007.

Indeed some seem to have recognised that there was more in Boyle’s message than at first appeared to be the case.

But not it would appear the populist AllyF

The problem with the pursuit of small time populism Ally is that occasionally you find yourself inadvertently rubbishing those who are your closest allies and heroes.

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I might have chastised the BBC for the clips it showed of the Opening Ceremony, but was most impressed by Boyle’s  masterpiece.

Underworld – Caliban’s Dream (London 2012 Olympics Opening Ceremony)

The hauntingly beautiful music from the lighting of the Olympic Cauldron at the London 2012 Olympic Opening Ceremony. Featuring vocals from Alex Trimble, Only Boys Aloud, Dockhead Choir, Elizabeth Roberts and percussion by Dame Evelyn Glennie

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Having been told in no uncertain terms not to “let the door bang yer arse on the way out”, I felt it only fair to respond here to Ally Fogg’s article  “We don’t call this sexism, we call it, err…” “Don’t let the door bang yer arse on the way out.” – Ally Fogg re-defines sexism

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I was surprised to read that Ally Fogg who at various times has described himself as “basically an anarchist at heart”, has come out so firmly in favour of social determinism.

To a determinist …… Causes, including unconscious causes, are operating to bring the person inevitably to what he or she will eventually do. The appearance of multiple options is an illusion, to a determinist. From: Just Exactly What Is Determinism? by Roy F. Baumeister, Eppes Eminent Scholar, Professor of Psychology, and head of the social psychology graduate program at Florida State University. Which in my view, does rather fly in the face of being an anarchist.

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News for 27 July 2012

I was surprised to read that Ally Fogg who at various times has described himself as “basically an anarchist at heart”, has come out so firmly in favour of social determinism.

To a determinist …… Causes, including unconscious causes, are operating to bring the person inevitably to what he or she will eventually do. The appearance of multiple options is an illusion, to a determinist.

From: Just Exactly What Is Determinism? by Roy F. Baumeister, Eppes Eminent Scholar, Professor of Psychology, and head of the social psychology graduate program at Florida State University.

Which in my view, does rather fly in the face of being an anarchist.

From Wiki:

Tiger Feet is a popular song by the English glam rock band Mud. Written and produced by the songwriting team of Nicky Chinn and Mike Chapman. It was the bands first number #1 single, and to this day is regarded as one of the best-loved party records from the glam rock era.

Tiger Feet?

Is this really the best that the BBC can provide to publicise the opening ceremony?

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News for 24 July 2012

I’m away for a few days – normal service when I return.

News for 23 July 2012

GrandpasBarn posts:

She (JaneBasingstoke) pointed out that the half-witted james seems able to post what ever he wants without fear of moderation and is “as nasty as bitey and Gramps” (he probably now has the moderators “sympathy vote” with his claims to be mentally ill, which he is – but not in the manner he claims of course)

martillo,

As for BTH, he was happy to do some unpleasant labelling himself so….

Evidence please martillo.

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Interesting observation from josephmalik

I miss the good old days. On a YTU thread in May 2009 the moderators posted this warning:

Please restrict new comments on this thread to “subjects you’d like us to cover on Comment is free”.

Subsequent comments that persist in off-topic discourse will be removed.

Thanks

If the current moderators took this attitude, then this chat thread would be dead in a few days, and a lot of people would have an awful lot of free time on their hands.

How about an article on people’s incessant online posting in a world where it is often claimed that people have much less time than they used to have, and everybody is always ‘busy’? Where do they find the time?.

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So what did JaneBasingstoke post that resulted in four posts being deleted and provoked responses from Lamp Salesman, Adhamhnan, Blaydon, martillo, RichJames and Katyia who hinted with this presumably about the obnoxious censor RichJames, from a deleted post:

No one criticises this person fully and directly any more. Direct snipes get modded. Oblique snipes survive, but their very opaqueness is a form of self gagging.

Seems she started off accusing RJ of being like me who responded with:

Since when am I comparable to Bitey or Barney? How exactly am I aggressive towards people, or nasty?

fripouille totally misses the point with:

I simply cannot understand the animosity that inspires some comments about RichJames, and I can’t understand why some people have the arrogance to delude themselves into thinking that they are in a position to ‘judge’ him. He can a combative commenter sometimes, but then again so can I, and I can list half a dozen others who are in the same boat, some of whom are much more aggressive than he ever will be. Lesson-givers are a pain in the ass.

When fripouille has anyone on CiF made false accusations like this against two completely innocent posters?

“People dislike Bitey because he is a piece of human filth”, and Personally, I look at it this way: if somebody is creepy and spiteful enough to resemble a notorious cyberstalker, they forfeit the right to whine when they’re mistaken for him.”

And as Adhamhnan points out, the man’s obsession would delight a psychiatrist.

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News for 22 July 2012

GrandpasBarn posts:

She (JaneBasingstoke) pointed out that the half-witted james seems able to post what ever he wants without fear of moderation and is “as nasty as bitey and Gramps” (he probably now has the moderators “sympathy vote” with his claims to be mentally ill, which he is – but not in the manner he claims of course)

martillo,

As for BTH, he was happy to do some unpleasant labelling himself so….

Evidence please martillo.

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Interesting observation from josephmalik

I miss the good old days. On a YTU thread in May 2009 the moderators posted this warning:

Please restrict new comments on this thread to “subjects you’d like us to cover on Comment is free”.

Subsequent comments that persist in off-topic discourse will be removed.

Thanks

If the current moderators took this attitude, then this chat thread would be dead in a few days, and a lot of people would have an awful lot of free time on their hands.

How about an article on people’s incessant online posting in a world where it is often claimed that people have much less time than they used to have, and everybody is always ‘busy’? Where do they find the time?.

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So what did JaneBasingstoke post that resulted in four posts being deleted and provoked responses from Lamp Salesman, Adhamhnan, Blaydon, martillo, RichJames and Katyia who hinted with this presumably about the obnoxious censor RichJames, from a deleted post:

No one criticises this person fully and directly any more. Direct snipes get modded. Oblique snipes survive, but their very opaqueness is a form of self gagging.

Seems she started off accusing RJ of being like me who responded with:

Since when am I comparable to Bitey or Barney? How exactly am I aggressive towards people, or nasty?

fripouille totally misses the point with:

I simply cannot understand the animosity that inspires some comments about RichJames, and I can’t understand why some people have the arrogance to delude themselves into thinking that they are in a position to ‘judge’ him. He can a combative commenter sometimes, but then again so can I, and I can list half a dozen others who are in the same boat, some of whom are much more aggressive than he ever will be. Lesson-givers are a pain in the ass.

When fripouille has anyone on CiF made false accusations like this against two completely innocent posters?

“People dislike Bitey because he is a piece of human filth”, and Personally, I look at it this way: if somebody is creepy and spiteful enough to resemble a notorious cyberstalker, they forfeit the right to whine when they’re mistaken for him.”

And as Adhamhnan points out, the man’s obsession would delight a psychiatrist.

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News for 21 July 2012

 

News for 20 July 2012

Spotted on YTU:

JaneBasingstoke, 16 July 2012 8:33PM

Waddya Productions, in association with C o m m e n t I s F r e e Present

The C L I Q U E

It is the year two thousand and twelve. It’s all in a day’s work for down-at-heel private eye JosephMalik as he fights a losing battle against the all-pervading tendrils of The Clique. But things look up when he gains a mystery helper: the enigmatic GrandpasBarn…

Starring

Bruce Willis
as JosephMalik

Adam Sandler
as RichJames

Mr Benn of 52 Festive Road
as AndyLucia

Overweight Balding Bloke in A String Vest and TuTu
as The Recommend Fairy

Hugh Laurie
as Chablis

Will Self
as The Dictionary

Jeremy Paxman
as Bitey

Michelle Yeoh
as Not-Bitey #1

Joan Rivers
as Not-Bitey #2

And introducing
BILL SHATNER
as Grandpa S Barn

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BeautifulBurnout, on the UT:

I dunno what it is, whether it is the nice shiny uniforms or the fact that some rozzers are such accomplished liars, but too many get away with literally murder.

Apart from MrsB metaphorically murdering the English language who are these members of the police force, or rozzers as MrsB affectionately refers to them, who literally get away with murder?

I have no doubt that had PC Simon Harwood not been defended by barristers of the status and reputation of MrsBootstraps, the result of Ian Tomlinson’s trial might have brought more satisfaction to his grieving relatives.

On the other hand…….

Such are the outcomes of adversarial trials before the United Kingdom’s jury system where barristers are able to prevent those twelve good men and women and true hearing the evidence.

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RapidEddie makes an interesting post on the UT about the financial crisis facing the Guardian and the possible outcomes.

Which reminded me of something I’d posted on You Tell Us around the end of January:

CiF Closure – or just You Tell Us?

It seems those who are having sleepless nights on the financial situation facing the Guardian are somewhat concerned at the cost of running what has become little more than a private online club for a group of people with too much time on their hands and too little income to be of any use in attracting advertisers, sponsors and the like.

So I had a look at a recent weekend thread where about 60 posters contributed 430 or so comments many of which were, as usual, inane gossip, repetitions of the “aren’t the tories bad” kind and very occasionally a suggestion for a CiF article. If you exclude those who only posted once you’re probably talking about 30 – 35 posters.

For this there are three full time members of staff who devote some of their working hours to monitoring, contributing to and policing the thread as well as round the clock moderation. An annual cost of what a six figure sum? And for what? Comments like this one from TigerDunc, who contributed a further 15 similar pieces of garbage:

Here’s my hastily assembled effort. It is still a work in progress, a group effort if you like, so please feel free to make any amendments or changes. Batteries not included.

Shag the PA on the trolly

Fa la la la la
la la la la etc etc.

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News for 18 July 2012

I posted a recommendation for Ally Fogg’s new blog a few days ago and yesterday sought his opinion about the recently most publicised rape story – that of Julian Assange. BeautifulBurnout stated her legal opinion when the matter first came to our notice, that the complaint of the two Swedish women was “a pile of steaming crap”.

And what is Ally’s response?:

Censorship with the following “justification”:

I won’t have it here, not because I’m protecting anyone or stifling reasonable opinions, but because those posts of yours are the most brain-shrinkingly tedious comments I’ve ever encountered in my entire time on the internet.

No offence.

I guess he’s probably forgotten this one, among many of mine that heap praise on his contributions over the years:

AllyF, responding to my pointing out that in the past he had defended his right to ogle any women who took his fancy:

If you’re going to make allegations like that, I think it is only polite that you provide some examples. I’ll admit to many weaknesses and failigs but ‘appalling sexism’ is not one I take lightly.

To which my response  as thevorticist, on 10 November 2011 at 1:31PM was:

Actually “appalling” was a bit over egging the pud, but it did at least catch your attention and again thanks for visiting this thread, as you’re really needed to counter some of the really sexist comments that have been posted here.

But your question – albeit one that I think you’d probably hoped might have been rhetorical.

Didn’t you write an article or maybe a comment about there been nothing wrong with “admiring” a strange, attractive woman’s breasts because it’s quite a normal a thing for men to do?

Or maybe that was someone else with a big C? If so please accept apologies.

Like I said you’re one of the few men here who regularly shows your feminist credentials and your defence of Julie Bindel is worthy of a mention in dispatches, by the way. But in my book, the man on the scaffolding wolf-whistling the women he’s never met, who’s going about her business and doesn’t need his unwanted attention, should be left unhindered, verbally, vocally and visually.

And later:

thevorticist, 10 November 2011 1:50PM

 AllyF 10 November 2011 11:38AM

Response to coulrophobic, 10 November 2011 11:38AM
I’m back! (briefly)

And a great post AllyF – but as you hint, doubtless pearls before…..

And I fear we are fighting a rearguard action here – but in time we will win.

But it seems Ally Fogg is so insecure that he can’t even accept praise. But that only to be expected for the most brain-shrinkingly tedious posts.

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News for 17 July 2012

I posted a recommendation for Ally Fogg’s new blog a few days ago and yesterday sought his opinion about the recently most publicised rape story – that of Julian Assange. BeautifulBurnout stated her legal opinion when the matter first came to our notice, that the complaint of the two Swedish women was “a pile of steaming crap”.

And what is Ally’s response?:

Censorship with the following “justification”:

I won’t have it here, not because I’m protecting anyone or stifling reasonable opinions, but because those posts of yours are the most brain-shrinkingly tedious comments I’ve ever encountered in my entire time on the internet.

No offence.

I guess he’s probably forgotten this one, among many of mine that heap praise on his contributions over the years:

AllyF, responding to my pointing out that in the past he had defended his right to ogle any women who took his fancy:

If you’re going to make allegations like that, I think it is only polite that you provide some examples. I’ll admit to many weaknesses and failigs but ‘appalling sexism’ is not one I take lightly.

To which my response  as thevorticist, on 10 November 2011 at 1:31PM was:

Actually “appalling” was a bit over egging the pud, but it did at least catch your attention and again thanks for visiting this thread, as you’re really needed to counter some of the really sexist comments that have been posted here.

But your question – albeit one that I think you’d probably hoped might have been rhetorical.

Didn’t you write an article or maybe a comment about there been nothing wrong with “admiring” a strange, attractive woman’s breasts because it’s quite a normal a thing for men to do?

Or maybe that was someone else with a big C? If so please accept apologies.

Like I said you’re one of the few men here who regularly shows your feminist credentials and your defence of Julie Bindel is worthy of a mention in dispatches, by the way. But in my book, the man on the scaffolding wolf-whistling the women he’s never met, who’s going about her business and doesn’t need his unwanted attention, should be left unhindered, verbally, vocally and visually.

And later:

thevorticist, 10 November 2011 1:50PM

 AllyF 10 November 2011 11:38AM

Response to coulrophobic, 10 November 2011 11:38AM
I’m back! (briefly)

And a great post AllyF – but as you hint, doubtless pearls before…..

And I fear we are fighting a rearguard action here – but in time we will win.

But it seems Ally Fogg is so insecure that he can’t even accept praise. But that only to be expected for the most brain-shrinkingly tedious posts.

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News for 16 July 2012

And now The Untrusted’s favourite Marxist “juvenile” resorts to racism, to her eternal shame:

Annetan942

Does the US have to turn into Somalia?

I presume here she’s referring to the United States.

So what does this mean as she’s referring to  Scranton, a “city” of 76,000 in the USA that’s run a bit short of short term cash.

Hence the “Somalia” reference.

Isn’t racism so easy when you’re trying to curry favour, and:

What did Somalians do to be compared to the  “city” that’s the subject of Anne Tan’s racist wrath?

I suggest most Somalians would love to live in Scranton USA, bankrupt or otherwise. Indeed given their gratitude to being allowed to live in the world’s richest country, I dare say they’d find ways of sorting out its problems.

But the racist Annetan942 would doubtless say – well what would she say?

She always quotes Marx so let’s await her response.

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Montana Wildhack

Is there something about Merseyside that creates nasty, bitter killjoys?

Is there something about Cowpat Junction that creates foul mouthed, self-important bigots?

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An interesting question put to BeautifulBurnout to which she has yet to respond:

BB, you are on record as declaring this country a “ repugnant … banana republic”. Why would you fight for people to stay in such a hell hole?

Could it be that were she to enthuse about the country of her birth as much as the clients she represents do, she would lose face with her many admirers on CiF and the UT and quite rightly be branded a rank hypocrite.

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Montana Wildhack

It hurts me more that people like PhilippaB, Jennifera30, Meerkatjie, TimSimmons, CordeliaM. et al., have left UT because they felt the atmosphere here was too toxic than the notion that anyone has left because they thought the place was too boring.

Oh the self-delusion grows by the day.

Meerkatjie fled the site as she wisely heeded this warning from me:

And Meerkatjie, as you’re new here the following might be of interest.

If you analyse what goes on you’ll find that what happens is that moderation is replaced by scapegoating, where even the best of friends will turn on each other until a poor insensitive soul has had enough, disappears and allows the process to start all over again.

We had a visit from PaulBJ earlier who has himself been the victim in this game.

Here is an analysis of a recent exchange involving some of the regulars:

MrsBootstraps abuses her host Montana Wildhack, Montana responds with abuse to MrsB, scherfig abuses everyone and gets abuse from HankScorpio who not to be outdone abuses everyone. Monkeyfish responds and abuses MrsB and Montana. Paul abuses everyone. Andy gets the ultimate in abuse from MrsB by being likened to everyone’s enemy, me, for whom he has a pathological hatred and Fariha is accused of being my illegitimate child.

Take care Meerkatjie unless you’re made of sterner stuff than young Mr Paul.

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Montana Wildhack

It hurts me more that people like PhilippaB, Jennifera30, Meerkatjie, TimSimmons, CordeliaM. et al., have left UT because they felt the atmosphere here was too toxic than the notion that anyone has left because they thought the place was too boring.

As for TimSimmons, he fled after I exposed him as an over-protective patriarchal male:

Surecate said…

I’m disinclined to do the whole ‘are you really who you say you are’ thing with new posters, but this did seem a little odd. I guess it’s possible that they’re ‘I heard her on the radio’ thing is true.

To which my response was:

Well my question to meerkatjie was as always, quite genuine, having read sufficient of her contributions both here and on CiF to appreciate her considerable knowledge of psychology and literature.

Most people would consider being compared to a professor, especially one as erudite and well read as Julie Sanders, as a compliment, which was exactly what I intended it to be.

Indeed I’ll go further and say that Professor Sanders came across as a prime example of how women, even in higher education need to be twice, even three times better than their male colleagues, to achieve such a rank in their chosen profession. I cannot recall anyone making Melvyn Bragg appear so defensive about his own lack of knowledge of the subject under discussion.

And the fact that Timsimmons and JimPress felt the need to play the over-protective patriarchal male does them no credit.

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Montana Wildhack

It hurts me more that people like PhilippaB, Jennifera30, Meerkatjie, TimSimmons, CordeliaM. et al., have left UT because they felt the atmosphere here was too toxic than the notion that anyone has left because they thought the place was too boring.

CordeliaM left because she didn’t like being made an ally  to censors like BeautifulBurnout

Comment on: What do you want to talk about? BeautifulBurnout 17 Mar 10, 10:59pm

Cordelia
Jiasa aka BiteTheHand aka Auxesis aka IsItJob

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Montana Wildhack

I keep telling people this and nobody ever seems to get it through their fucking skulls:

I didn’t have any ‘ambitions’ for this place when I started it!  

No just ambitions for yourself as CiF’s anti-American voice of America.

And you perform that role to perfection

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Montana Wildhack

I don’t think ‘boring’ is quite why Hank has left, either. 

No he left because his employers warned him about the serious misconduct involved in “making false accusations of paedophilia against an innocent victim”.  And once Montana and the other UT cowards caved in to his threats and banned me, he ran off like a frightened child and hasn’t posted again.

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Montana Wildhack

And you’re glossing over all of the people who’ve left because they thought that the tolerance of fuckwads like RW made this place too toxic and unpleasant……………I don’t expend the time and energy of maintaining this place so that cunts like RW can come along and insult me.

Oh the irony of Montana accusing others of making the place too toxic. She who would win the foul-mouth of the century award hands down.

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Chekhov

Anyway I have made some good friends from this site, so I thank you for that and as ever it is your site so you are quite entitled to do with it as you wish.

Oh the self-delusions that some people manage to live with.

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Chekhov

Although even Chekhov can manage a perceptive remark from time to time.

Sorry but I disagree. It was all well and good banning “Bitey” because he  took over the threads and tried to set the agenda but this site will now plunge back into the lame twenty odd comments a day regurgitating what we all know and agree about with the odd link to summat by Pollyanna or Monbiot and we won’t make any progress whatsoever.

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Beautiful-Burnout

Ladies and Gentlemen, please be upstanding for a round of applause for Ms Wildhack!

*standing ovation*

And this from the person of whom Montana said “I felt and continue to feel, that her response to me was patronising and dismissive.”

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BeautifulBurnout

Might I suggest you go up to your room, take your trousers and yellow-stained underpants down, and try to see if your penis can reach you anus?

So is MrsBootstraps trying to grab Montana’s crown?

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Montana Wildhack after hosting a site that bans posters who are the epitome of anti-fascism, posts “La Marseillaise” from Casablanca, with the cry “Aux armes, citoyens!”.

I suppose she should be congratulated for not including a profanity or an obscenity in her post, but her failure to recognise the conflict of the spirit of “Casablanca” with her own behaviour and that of her fellow posters is proof of her ignorance of even day to day standards of civilised behaviour.

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News for 12 July 2012

RichJames displays gross hypocrisy with this post on You Tell Us

Everybody should be able to enjoy posting here – and not be subject to constant false accusations, or racial/sectarian abuse, let alone threats.

He omitted to include the words “unless I decide otherwise”

and:

But there is a dark side, which should have no place here at all. Nobody should be subject to bullying here at all, for any reason.

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News for 12 July 2012

RichJames displays gross hypocrisy with this post on You Tell Us

Everybody should be able to enjoy posting here – and not be subject to constant false accusations, or racial/sectarian abuse, let alone threats.

He omitted to include the words “unless I decide otherwise”

and:

But there is a dark side, which should have no place here at all. Nobody should be subject to bullying here at all, for any reason.

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Ally Fogg has an interesting site here

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News for 10 July 2012

Thanks to Brusselsexpats for posting the correspondence with Montana Wildhack in the comments section.

And thanks for MrsBootstraps to bringing to our attention the relevant thread on WDYWTTA, where my own comment still exists:

So Brusselsexpats becomes the latest victim to join those who discover that supping with the devil has its paybeack as well as its rewards. And once again the host of a site that stores for all to see and read, some of the most vituperative, foul-mouthed remarks that CiF moderators would remove in a trice, is portrayed here by her grateful disciples as a poor downtrodden, abused and too little appreciated innocent volunteer.

So as a “perimenopausal single mum” Ms Wildhack, so recently snatched from the jaws of unemployment, perhaps you should step back a little and consider for a while, given the hurt and damage, not to mention entertainment that your little sanctuary for the unfortunate refugees from CiF clearly causes, whether you have any responsibility for the unfettered and unregulated freedom of speech and publication you encourage?

So here’s a subject for debate; does the publisher have any responsibility?

And just to add a little reality to the discussion here’s one of those refugees Monkeyfish after it was suggested that foul mouthed comments about other posters should be toned down a little:

WTF has been going on here? Anyhow,looking forward to the official list of exemptees from this compulsary courtesy rule or are there no exceptions? Presumably BTH, a certain Finn, Tony Blair etc. could turn up and be welcomed with open arms? Just as long as they’re polite, eh? No worries.

Fuck this for a game of dead fish. I’m takin my ‘abuse’ elsewhere.
The Untrusted – 17 September, 2009 17:54

But of course he didn’t.

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I’m away for a few days – more mountains, different country, weather forecast’s bad. It’s a problem with making long term arrangements.

Montana Wildhack writes: at 03:05 PM

Thank you for letting me know about Bru’s typically crass behaviour in putting the contents of an e-mail exchange on Bitey’s blog.

So now the writer has identified herself it’s time to put them on the front page so to speak. They join other obscenities from her recorded elsewhere on this page. Here she is:

Go fuck yourself.

Listen, you stupid cunt — there isn’t anyone on the UT right now who posts on Waddaya as anything other than what they’ve always called themselves. Most of the current UT regulars have given up on Cif.

And indeed given up on The UT.  She continued:

Drop the snide attacks on UT. Then go straight to hell, you vacuous bitch.

Furthermore, you lying cow — I never asked anyone to send me anything, so cram your insinuations about me trying to get anything out of anyone right up your wrinkled, useless arse, bitch.

MrsBootstraps joined the fray at 08:57 PM

For someone who believes in freedom of speech at any cost, including freedom to libel all and sundry, it is mighty hypocritical to set your own blog up to pre-mod.

Once again she is challenged to specify exactly which of my many thousands of posts are libellous? Put up or shut up MrsB?

Even shazthewombat risked joining in at 10:42 PM

…just visited Bitey’s blog (thanks for the linky, guest…) and now in worse mood – wouldn’t recommend it.

I’m surprised at such sensitivity from someone who’s a regular on The UT.

Finally just to clear up a few misconceptions about this site. It is primarily an historical record on which I currently allow visitors to post comments. I do not monitor it 24 hours a day, as my recent absence demonstrates very well. Neither
am I prepared to allow spam posts for Viagra, legal firms, cheap flight outlets, etc. to litter the site while I’m away.  So while Alec Llewellyn you might delude yourself into thinking that “I expect this comment to be posted here – are we are very clear on that?”, your self-importance, here and on The UT, is a bit pathetic.

 

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News for 5 July 2012

Thanks to Brusselsexpats for posting the correspondence with Montana Wildhack in the comments section.

And thanks for MrsBootstraps to bringing to our attention the relevant thread on WDYWTTA, where my own comment still exists:

So Brusselsexpats becomes the latest victim to join those who discover that supping with the devil has its paybeack as well as its rewards. And once again the host of a site that stores for all to see and read, some of the most vituperative, foul-mouthed remarks that CiF moderators would remove in a trice, is portrayed here by her grateful disciples as a poor downtrodden, abused and too little appreciated innocent volunteer.

So as a “perimenopausal single mum” Ms Wildhack, so recently snatched from the jaws of unemployment, perhaps you should step back a little and consider for a while, given the hurt and damage, not to mention entertainment that your little sanctuary for the unfortunate refugees from CiF clearly causes, whether you have any responsibility for the unfettered and unregulated freedom of speech and publication you encourage?

So here’s a subject for debate; does the publisher have any responsibility?

And just to add a little reality to the discussion here’s one of those refugees Monkeyfish after it was suggested that foul mouthed comments about other posters should be toned down a little:

WTF has been going on here? Anyhow,looking forward to the official list of exemptees from this compulsary courtesy rule or are there no exceptions? Presumably BTH, a certain Finn, Tony Blair etc. could turn up and be welcomed with open arms? Just as long as they’re polite, eh? No worries.

Fuck this for a game of dead fish. I’m takin my ‘abuse’ elsewhere.
The Untrusted – 17 September, 2009 17:54

But of course he didn’t.

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I’m away for a few days – more mountains, different country, weather forecast’s bad. It’s a problem with making long term arrangements.

Montana Wildhack writes: at 03:05 PM

Thank you for letting me know about Bru’s typically crass behaviour in putting the contents of an e-mail exchange on Bitey’s blog.

So now the writer has identified herself it’s time to put them on the front page so to speak. They join other obscenities from her recorded elsewhere on this page. Here she is:

Go fuck yourself.

Listen, you stupid cunt — there isn’t anyone on the UT right now who posts on Waddaya as anything other than what they’ve always called themselves. Most of the current UT regulars have given up on Cif.

And indeed given up on The UT.  She continued:

Drop the snide attacks on UT. Then go straight to hell, you vacuous bitch.

Furthermore, you lying cow — I never asked anyone to send me anything, so cram your insinuations about me trying to get anything out of anyone right up your wrinkled, useless arse, bitch.

MrsBootstraps joined the fray at 08:57 PM

For someone who believes in freedom of speech at any cost, including freedom to libel all and sundry, it is mighty hypocritical to set your own blog up to pre-mod.

Once again she is challenged to specify exactly which of my many thousands of posts are libellous? Put up or shut up MrsB?

Even shazthewombat risked joining in at 10:42 PM

…just visited Bitey’s blog (thanks for the linky, guest…) and now in worse mood – wouldn’t recommend it.

I’m surprised at such sensitivity from someone who’s a regular on The UT.

Finally just to clear up a few misconceptions about this site. It is primarily an historical record on which I currently allow visitors to post comments. I do not monitor it 24 hours a day, as my recent absence demonstrates very well. Neither
am I prepared to allow spam posts for Viagra, legal firms, cheap flight outlets, etc. to litter the site while I’m away.  So while Alec Llewellyn you might delude yourself into thinking that “I expect this comment to be posted here – are we are very clear on that?”, your self-importance, here and on The UT, is a bit pathetic.

News for 4 July 2012

On Shell-shock, London just after World War One ends.

“Commuters trudging to work each morning have them as well, as do the pleasure seekers shuffling around the West End. They can’t all have been at the front. The children outside Great Ormond Street display them. The dope fiends especially display them; the cocaine sniffers too, when they’re not too temporarily fired up with charges that will run down in minutes, leaving them more empty than before. It’s like a city of the living dead, only a few of whose denizens could proffer the excuse of having shells constantly rattling their flesh and shaking their nerves. No the shock’s source was there already: deeper, older, more embedded…”

From – Tom McCarthy’s novel – “C”.

 

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News for 3 July 2012

Mrs Bootstraps opines:

In my view, the US would find it easier to extradite Assange from Sweden than from the UK because Wikileaks servers are (or were) based in Sweden, so he has therefore committed an alleged offence against the US from Sweden – there is a legal (or alleged legal) nexus between Assange, Sweden and the US that does not exist between Assange, the UK and the US. The reason he went to Sweden in August 2010 was to ask for residency because Swedish residents would be protected by the domestic whistle-blower laws and, thus, he would have been safe………

Now apart from the fact that Assange isn’t a whistle-blower, but a whistle-blower’s publicist,  what about the far stronger legal nexus between the two women and the UK, as defined by the European Arrest Warrant?

The two women were 27 and 31 at the time of the claimed offences, so both are young enough to be MrsBootstraps’s children. So if her daughter had come to her to complain about being raped by a visiting Australian businessman who had subsequently fled to Sweden, would she be telling her daughter her complaint was a “steaming pile of crap”?

Somehow I very much doubt it.

 

News for 2 July 2012

MrsBootstraps quotes Martin Luther King:

Cowardice asks the question, ‘Is it safe?’ Expediency asks the question, ’Is it politic?’ Vanity asks the question, ‘Is it popular?’ But, conscience asks the question, ‘Is it right?’ And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but one must take it because one’s conscience tells one that it is right.

This from someone whose constant bed fellows are expediency, vanity and popularity.

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So the Guardian is at last having to shuffle off the fence and agree that Assange should at very least face his accusers.

The readers’ editor on… reporting Julian Assange’s extradition battle:

It is always important for journalists to report with precision when dealing with criminal allegations

But nothing in the comments  from BeautifulBurnout, defence and prosecution barrister, who when Assange was first brought to our atttention as somewhat less than the saviour of the world, posted:

Call me a tinfoil hatter if you like (and I wish I could remember KT’s neoligism for it), but does anyone else believe this pile of steaming crap?

So accusations of rape = “steaming crap”.

And as yet no retraction from the barrister who sees herself as the inheritor of George Carmen’s reputation – who had he survived, would doubtless have been on the side of the women Assange is accused of abusing.

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rexmundi

Btw I’m a bit worried about our friend Bitey. He said he would be gone for a week as he was walking in the mountains. I do hope he hasn’t fallen off of one.

Nothing doing I’m afraid – just a little delayed.

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News for 1 July 2012

So the Guardian is at last having to shuffle off the fence and agree that Assange should at very least face his accusers.

The readers’ editor on… reporting Julian Assange’s extradition battle:

It is always important for journalists to report with precision when dealing with criminal allegations

But nothing in the comments  from BeautifulBurnout, defence and prosecution barrister, who when Assange was first brought to our atttention as somewhat less than the saviour of the world, posted:

Call me a tinfoil hatter if you like (and I wish I could remember KT’s neoligism for it), but does anyone else believe this pile of steaming crap?

So accusations of rape = “steaming crap”.

And as yet no retraction from the barrister who sees herself as the inheritor of George Carmen’s reputation – who had he survived, would doubtless have been on the side of the women Assange is accused of abusing.

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rexmundi

Btw I’m a bit worried about our friend Bitey. He said he would be gone for a week as he was walking in the mountains. I do hope he hasn’t fallen off of one.

Nothing doing I’m afraid – just a little delayed.

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No news from 16 June – 30 June – away walking in the south west of Ireland.

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News for 14 June 2012

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has failed in his bid to reopen his appeal against extradition to Sweden where he faces sex crime allegations.

Assange’s legal team now has 14 days to apply to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg to hear his case.

MrsBootstraps will doubtless be weeping on Backtothepoint’s shoulder.

And two Swedish women will have to wait for two more weeks to know whether they have any rights to have the man they claim has sexually assaulted them, questioned by a lawyer of MrsBootstraps standing. Or even one a tenth of her calibre.

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Zoe Williams writes and asks:

What is an internet troll?

Hence the mantra, “Do not feed the trolls.” But that’s destructive as well, because it makes you look afraid, which empowers trolls, or there’s a chance that you might have mistaken a troll for someone who has a good point but bad manners.

Or deliberately mistaking someone who has a good point and good manners, as all too often happens on CiF.

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CordwainerBird asks about Zoe Williams’ example:

“People shouldn’t have kids if they can’t afford to pay for them” is not a legitimate proposition to start a debate?

and responds with the excellent observation:

Yes, here we get to the nub of the matter. Here this would be considered trolling. On another board it would be considered a perfectly logical and supportable statement.

At some level we all think a troll is just someone who has a different opinion to ours and has the cheek to express it within range of our hearing or reading.

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An article in the Guardian yesterday:

Should people be fined for swearing in public?

Compare these two responses and decide who you would prefer having responsibility for your children.

MontanaWildhack  12 June 2012 6:19PM

Oh fuckety fuck fuck! I keep trying to convince people that not all Americans are utterly batshit and my compatriots keep doing stupid shit like this and making me look like a twat.

Actually Montana you manage to achieve that without the aid of articles in the Guardian.

emmi14  12 June 2012 6:54PM

Okay, I object to the amount of foul language I hear all around me. I hate trying to explain to small children (nephews & nieces and friends thereof) that they shouldn’t use it, when they hear it all around them. There is also the aggression of it. I have friends who struggle to teach in schools and who are constantly being abused by both children and their parents and foul language is a big part of that abuse. There is an element (to me at least) of contempt for others, expressed by foul language.

If you’re on the bus or the Tube, you can’t just walk away. If you have hauled four children into McDonald’s after taking them to the movies/park/swimming baths and got them food and sat down, etc., it isn’t easy to then get up when the people at the next table start using fruity language! I suspect that most of the people posting on this don’t have children, and might feel a little differently if they did!

Overall, a lot of foul language is just an expression of contempt for others and verbal laziness. I wish we had more respect for one another and more respect for public space. I wish we had more respect for our children and what they hear and see. i think this issue is in the same box as public drunkenness, littering, aggressive behaviour towards others in public. Overall, it just makes daily life that bit more unpleasant. Why are we so keen to promote it? Why do we lack consideration towards others? (I’m going to get hammered by you all, aren’t I?)

News for 12 June 2012

Looks like HankScorpioBeautifulBurnout and others in the UK are going to be allowed to keep their internet connections. From the Telegraph:

Stopping internet troll using computer would breach his human rights, judge rules

The internet troll who threatened Louise Mensch’s children must be allowed to have computer access otherwise it may breach his human rights, a judge has ruled.

Unlike the Guardian, the Telegraph has invited comments, so here’s one of them:

If you want to see some real abuse from a senior tax inspector and a UK barrister among others, who are safe behind their anonymity, you might want to visit this site:

https://therealuntrusted.wordpress.com/hankscorpio-beautifulburnout-paedophilia/

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Bitterweed on the UT:

“fuckin hell, this is worse than mogadon, see you around people.”

And I can understand him completely as the UT progressively descends into the meaningless conversing with the inconsequential. Here’s what things used to be like when we both posted there:

Bitterweed asked:

If you think there’s a difference (other than semantic one) between structural and systemic problems, please outline them here:

To which I responded:

Capitalism is a system – a global economic and social system in which we all live.

Capitalism does however take on a number of different structural forms – and as you’ve mentioned the place – compare China and the UK. In the former the state has a far more central role in directing but the private sector is far less regulated.

We talk about the solar system but never the solar structure. We talk about the structure of the atom but never the system of the atom. Or if never, very rarely.

Or, as most people here are heavily into music look at what we call a stereo system. The system can take a number of structural forms each of which produce what to those without a very sophisticated sense of hearing and training produce the same outcome. But it is qualitatively different to a mono system.

So in the case of the banking crisis – the financial institutions – primarily the banks retained the same structure before, throughout and after the crisis. But the system operating in those structures changed dramatically. So instead of our archetypal bank manager making decisions, based on local knowledge, experience and nous, these were made by financial whiz kids and the computer programs they built. Instead of experienced investment bankers making decisions, these were being made by brilliant mathematicians / statisticians who no one else could understand and therefore couldn’t challenge, even if they had the bottle to do so. And because for some time they were very successful they were allowed increasing freedom to package the sub-prime debt and “engineer” the crisis. And because most banks were part of the same competitive system, each was obliged to participate. Some just saw the writing on the wall before others.

You might find this piece useful, on System and Structure, Structure and Function, Whole and Part, and Form and Content.

I did.

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Maybe Montana should spend more time on her site and less posting gems like this on CiF.

Because you’re a Cameron apologist, perhaps?
I’m happy to scream blue fucking murder about both situations, myself.

Somewhat ironic on a thread about caring for children.

 

News for 11 June 2012

Perlmann looked again at the passages Miller quoted from his own writing. He could hardly believe that he himself should have written them. Not because he thought they were bad. But the author of those lines had a grasp of his subject and a firmness of opinion that Perlmann was so unable to remember that he suspected that he had not even been present when they were written. That remote alien author was not a bit closer to him than Miller’s academic voice, so that he felt like a referee in a dispute between strangers; a referee whose neutrality went so far that he pursued argument and counter argument without the slightest desire to become involved himself.

Perlmann’s Silence by Pascal Mercier.

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After almost a day on YTU, when posters mused about their favourite cars and aeroplanes, Leopold1904 and cbarr at 6:39pm introduced crude sexist, racist attempts at humour with an added smattering of of bestiality, that the likes of Bernard Manning would have been proud to have produced:

Leopold1904 kicked off with – “Reminds me of a legion joke – new recruit at an outpost asks what they do for sex and is told, well the camels come round at 6. So new chap gets up at 6 and starts humping (sic) a kneeling camel – the others mount their camels in more orthodox fashion and ride off to the brothel. They come back and ask the recruit why he didn’t wait before having sex with the camel and he says well i didn’t want an ugly one.”

cbarr responded – “Lol. Thats funny. But yes I get your point.” and not to be outdone Leopold1904 came back with “So did the camel”, to which cbarr rounded off with “This wasn’t a joke was it. It was a conffession ;)”.

Imagine Backtothepoint’s and the rest of the clique’s apoplexy had the subject of the joke been not the French but the Palestinian Arabs?

And not a peep from the members of the clique. It’s a sure sign that the Guardian now hosts and supports a tiny group of that others have correctly identified as a clique, that feels so comfortable with their protected and financially supported  position that this behaviour which in times past would have been challenged immediately, is considered to be normal.

 

News for 10 June 2012

slobbydosh writes:

Word tonight is that the Observer will be running with a front page splash on the CPUK fire marshall contract for the Olympics.

But maybe not quite what slobbydosh and company were quite expecting:

From today’s Observer:

It seems a win-win situation for all involved. The young people gain work experience and possibly some paid work – CPUK provides stewards for football matches and other sporting events. CPUK itself, meanwhile, adds to its pool of labour, while LDC earns money offering training courses which come with guaranteed work experience.

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slobbydosh 9 June 2012 1:37PM, who’s managed over 400 posts in just over 4 months:

Could we have an article by a member of the Taxpayer’s Alliance please. I’m sure they would like to comment on the grotesque waste of taxpayer’s money to pay for free workers for the jubbly.

They have and they’re four square with you on this one:

In theory, job brokers sound like a good idea. But in practice, in the hands of our simple shopping evidence-lite commissars, it’s turned into yet another opportunity for sharp operators from the private sector to get their noses even deeper into the public trough.

Strange bedfellows.

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John Harris has written in the Guardian – Back to the workhouse

Now whatever you think about the current and the previous governments’  Workfare schemes, they’re hardly comparable to life in the workhouse.

A more accurate description of life in the workhouse can be found here:

The old and poor of Ware, 1839-1982 – By S Williams

The ‘workhouse’ was a word that sent a shudder through every generation up to the Second World War. They were harsh places where those unable to support or care for themselves could end up living and working. Inmates were usually old and infirm, sick and poor, orphans and unmarried mothers. It was always a last resort and would have been a distressing and degrading experience.

Ware’s workhouse loomed high above the town and served as a reminder of what would happen to you if you became destitute and had to rely on the state.

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Compare and contrast this:

Ideas for 8-11 June, 8 June 2012 8:47PM

Jesus

And we wonder why there is such a high attrition rate in rape cases?

Another Operation Sapphire police officer arrested for falsifying documents in rape cases.

With this:

Call me a tinfoil hatter if you like (and I wish I could remember KT’s neoligism for it), but does anyone else believe this pile of steaming crap?

So very convenient…

So good to see you’re getting your priorities right at long last MrsB and recognising that the police should do all they can to assist women who report sexual assaults.

 

News for 9 June 2012

slobbydosh 9 June 2012 1:37PM, who’s managed over 400 posts in just over 4 months:

Could we have an article by a member of the Taxpayer’s Alliance please. I’m sure they would like to comment on the grotesque waste of taxpayer’s money to pay for free workers for the jubbly.

They have and they’re four square with you on this one:

In theory, job brokers sound like a good idea. But in practice, in the hands of our simple shopping evidence-lite commissars, it’s turned into yet another opportunity for sharp operators from the private sector to get their noses even deeper into the public trough.

Strange bedfellows.

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John Harris has written in the Guardian – Back to the workhouse

Now whatever you think about the current and the previous governments’  Workfare schemes, they’re hardly comparable to life in the workhouse.

A more accurate description of life in the workhouse can be found here:

The old and poor of Ware, 1839-1982 – By S Williams

The ‘workhouse’ was a word that sent a shudder through every generation up to the Second World War. They were harsh places where those unable to support or care for themselves could end up living and working. Inmates were usually old and infirm, sick and poor, orphans and unmarried mothers. It was always a last resort and would have been a distressing and degrading experience.

Ware’s workhouse loomed high above the town and served as a reminder of what would happen to you if you became destitute and had to rely on the state.

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Compare and contrast this:

Ideas for 8-11 June 8 June 2012 8:47PM

Jesus

And we wonder why there is such a high attrition rate in rape cases?

Another Operation Sapphire police officer arrested for falsifying documents in rape cases.

With this:

Call me a tinfoil hatter if you like (and I wish I could remember KT’s neoligism for it), but does anyone else believe this pile of steaming crap?

So very convenient…

So good to see you’re getting your priorities right at long last MrsB and recognising that the police should do all they can to assist women who report sexual assaults.

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From Today’s Guardian:

Nicola Brookes was granted a high court order after receiving “vicious and depraved” abuse on Facebook after she posted a comment in support of the former The X Factor contestant Frankie Cocozza.

The woman, from Brighton, was falsely branded a paedophile and drug dealer by anonymous Facebook users who set up a fake profile page on the website.

Now Brookes plans to bring a private prosecution against at least four alleged internet trolls, after the high court said Facebook should reveal their identities.

Facebook must now reveal the names, email and IP addresses of those behind the abusive messages, showing who they are and where they posted from.

It is believed to be one of the first cases where an individual has successfully taken legal action against Facebook to reveal the identities of cyberbullies.

Some people whose abuse is recorded here might ponder on the implications of this case.

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BeautifulBurnout writes, 7 June 2012 10:21pm about the jubilee volunteers issue:

Ms Prince

Could you explain why it is my taxes are used to improve your private profit margin, please?

Is this an announcement that MrsB will henceforth be accepting no legal work funded by British tax payers?

And will she and her cohorts now be campaigning for the end to all unpaid voluntary activity?

There was a time when staying up all night in order to travel to the nation’s capital city to attend a once in a lifetime event, (actually a once in many lifetimes event), would have been highly sought after, even if a little or even a great deal of discomfort was involved.

And only 7 hours for MorethanExist to invoke Godwin.

And when those involved were asked to say something:

Robert Cooke, 30, from Plymouth:

“Organisers found somewhere for us to shelter, and said that if any of us wanted to get into our sleeping bags to keep warm, then we could. Most of us just stayed up chatting. It was a good laugh, and we had access to the portable loos the whole time. They have paid for all the training for my licence and an NVQ in crowd safety. They gave us boots worth £80, and a uniform. We worked out that what they’ve spent is the equivalent of us being paid £45 an hour.”

Kirsty Nicholls, 23, also from Plymouth:

“I would like to thank CPUK for the amazing experience I was a part of this weekend. I am extremely grateful for this opportunity. We were treated with the utmost respect and highly praised for the work we had done. I personally volunteered to do all three days work as I found the experience incredibly pleasurable. I look forward to a long career with CPUK.”

Markus Hanks, another volunteer, said:

“Thanks for a great time at the Diamond Jubilee. Brilliant company to work for, great staff, brilliant atmosphere between everyone, looking forward to working with Close Protection UK again at the London 2012 Olympics. I’m supporting you and the Close Protection UK 110%.”

As for Prescott’s intervention, it didn’t take long to find this about Labour’s New Deal:

Labour’s Welfare Warfare

Slave labour

Labour’s welfare to work scheme through the New Deal is designed to provide cheap labour to the employers through training, education and job opportunities. Those who refuse to be forced into derisorily low paid jobs will have their benefits removed.

And would MrsBootstraps, Afancdogge and others feel the same about these volunteers at CSV, The UK volunteering and learning charity?

And these volunteers?

After many months of planning, Games Maker recruitment began in September 2010. We received more than 240,000 applications and interviewed 100,000 people at selection centres across the UK.

Successful applicants are attending at least three training sessions to make sure they are as prepared as possible for their role. Many volunteers have also been taking part in the London Prepares series test events: an invaluable opportunity to gain experience and a greater understanding of how a large sporting event is staged.

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News for 8 June 2012

BeautifulBurnout writes, 7 June 2012 10:21pm about the jubilee volunteers issue:

Ms Prince

Could you explain why it is my taxes are used to improve your private profit margin, please?

Is this an announcement that MrsB will henceforth be accepting no legal work funded by British tax payers?

And will she and her cohorts now be campaigning for the end to all unpaid voluntary activity?

There was a time when staying up all night in order to travel to the nation’s capital city to attend a once in a lifetime event, (actually a once in many lifetimes event), would have been highly sought after, even if a little or even a great deal of discomfort was involved.

And only 7 hours for MorethanExist to invoke Godwin.

And when those involved were asked to say something:

Robert Cooke, 30, from Plymouth:

“Organisers found somewhere for us to shelter, and said that if any of us wanted to get into our sleeping bags to keep warm, then we could. Most of us just stayed up chatting. It was a good laugh, and we had access to the portable loos the whole time. They have paid for all the training for my licence and an NVQ in crowd safety. They gave us boots worth £80, and a uniform. We worked out that what they’ve spent is the equivalent of us being paid £45 an hour.”

Kirsty Nicholls, 23, also from Plymouth:

“I would like to thank CPUK for the amazing experience I was a part of this weekend. I am extremely grateful for this opportunity. We were treated with the utmost respect and highly praised for the work we had done. I personally volunteered to do all three days work as I found the experience incredibly pleasurable. I look forward to a long career with CPUK.”

Markus Hanks, another volunteer, said:

“Thanks for a great time at the Diamond Jubilee. Brilliant company to work for, great staff, brilliant atmosphere between everyone, looking forward to working with Close Protection UK again at the London 2012 Olympics. I’m supporting you and the Close Protection UK 110%.”

As for Prescott’s intervention, it didn’t take long to find this about Labour’s New Deal:

Labour’s Welfare Warfare

Slave labour

Labour’s welfare to work scheme through the New Deal is designed to provide cheap labour to the employers through training, education and job opportunities. Those who refuse to be forced into derisorily low paid jobs will have their benefits removed.

And would MrsBootstraps, Afancdogge and others feel the same about these volunteers atCSV, The UK volunteering and learning charity?

And these volunteers?

After many months of planning, Games Maker recruitment began in September 2010. We received more than 240,000 applications and interviewed 100,000 people at selection centres across the UK.

Successful applicants are attending at least three training sessions to make sure they are as prepared as possible for their role. Many volunteers have also been taking part in the London Prepares series test events: an invaluable opportunity to gain experience and a greater understanding of how a large sporting event is staged.

 

News for 7 June 2012

Brusselsexpats writing on You Tell Us, 6 Jun 2012, 9:17AM

LaGrande,

You’re not the culprit. In fact you don’t turn up here that often.

I’d settle for the burial of this obsession with Bitey. He has a blog now – would they take it over there?

Well I’d prefer they kept the gossip and inanities over there and kept the editorial staff and the mods in gainful employment.

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BeautifulBurnout writing yesterday with general agreement of fellow UTers:

I agree dott. Having read “The Spirit Level” – and despite the attempted drubbing the Tax Payers’ Alliance, among other, tried and failed to pull off – the best, happiest societies are not necessarily those with the highest GDP, but those which are more equal.

It really is a fascinating read, and one which I would recommend. A great deal of research has gone into it, and Wilkinson and Pickett really know their stuff

I have seen that website “Guest”, (as, indeed, I have read the paper written by the Taxpayers’ Alliance.) It does little except bluster and bumble really. As Dot rightly points out, it doesn’t actually deny the statistics, but simply puts a more right-wing spin on them, as one would expect, because the evidence frightens them – or more to the point, the fact that people can clearly see the evidence frightens them.

Firstly the Tax Payers’ Alliance paper by Sanandaji et al., is but one of many critiques of “The Spirit Level” in this Epilogue to The Spirit Level Delusion by Christopher Snowdon of which my favourite is from Gerry Hassan:

Yet, it is almost impossible to compare these countries on equality; they are very different in their cultures, values and histories. Wilkinson and Pickett claim that ‘more equal societies almost always do better’—a universalist, sweeping statement—which cannot be substantiated by most of their data…. Part of the success of The Spirit Level is liberal guilt, part the retreat of the left, part wish-fulfilment and projection.

‘The Spirit Level lacks all balance to be correct’, The Scotsman, G. Hassan, 31.7.10

Snowdon writes:

Andrew Leigh describes himself as “about as anti-inequality an economist as you’ll find”. Formerly a Professor of Economics at the Australian National University, and now an Australian Labour Party politician, Leigh said of his own research into equality: “I had begun the project secretly hoping to find that inequality was bad, and wound up reluctantly reporting no such thing.” When asked his opinion of The Spirit Level, he wrote that “John Kay’s view in the FT comes closest to my own.”

Lots more in Snowdon’s paper hereincluding John Kay’s views,  which demonstrate that “many respected academics from both left and right have expressed serious concerns.”  So not just The Taxpayers’ Alliance.

The last word then to Snowdon:

The Spirit Level has been criticised by everyone from Swedish economists, Irish psychologists and British sociologists—as well as numerous journalists, bloggers and reviewers—for the simple reason that they have read it. It has been a best-seller and has transcended what Wilkinson calls the “left-wing ghetto”. And amongst its large readership have been many rational people whose jaws dropped a little more at the turn of every page.

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JaneBasingstoke

Bitey has only preserved his side, and the gaps in his opponents’ contributions make it impossible to work out what actually went through people’s minds during the arguments.

Not strictly true as most of the time I’ve provided links to the original comments.

EmmaChisset posting yesterday:

They (Xianchen and Xiangchen) were both Bitey, he even had a chat with himself.

Completely wrong on both counts

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This courtesy of 101

This fine exposé of the sickening hypocrisy of MsCowpat lasted less than fifteen minutes before falling victim to the will of the mob ( courtesy of the lickspittle “moderators” ) It deserves preservation

nostoneunturned, posted the following on You Tell Us, 5 June 2012 9:28PM

MontanaWildhack had posted the following:

Bracken, for example, likes to go on about how vile, foul-mouthed and aggressive I am but in all the time I’ve been on Cif, I’ve only been in pre-mod once

The historical record however is somewhat different:

MontanaWildhack exchanging best wishes with HankScorpio:

I’m a middle class hypocritical wanker now, am I — simply because I told you that I was sick of you insulting anyone who doesn’t live up to your standards of ‘authenticity’? Just who the fuck do you think you are, anyway?…… I struggle to make ends meet every fucking month and I will never be able to afford to send my son to Austria to study — so where the hell do you get off calling me middle class, you pompous, arrogant, self-satisfied son of a bitch?

And about BeautifulBurnout:

I felt and continue to feel, that her response to me was patronising and dismissive. Nothing that she said on Wednesday did anything to change that feeling. On the contrary, quite frankly, they only increased my irritation.
You claimed yesterday that you didn’t mention your own sexual abuse as a bit of one-upmanship or to imply that you had dealt with yours in a healthier way than I had.

I’m sorry, but you are far too intelligent and, as a lawyer, far too skilled in the use of language to have not intended an implication that your professional opinion carried more weight than my personal opinion.

and further on:

So you’ve actually made your opinion — one that really has nothing to do with your professional training — quite clear. You believe that the little girl was lying because she was afraid of getting into trouble. Now, if you had said that your personal opinion is as valid as mine, you would have been correct. But you are dressing up a personal opinion as a professional one to try to give yourself an authority on this that you just don’t have and that is what is patronising.

and later still:

But you can come along and spout shit whenever you feel like it and accuse me of not being as authentic as you are. You are no better than Parallax or Bitey or Billp, Hank. You’re nothing but a fucking troll anymore.

followed by:

Every time I see people on Cif making nasty comments about the UT (or “Montana’s blog”, as some people say), it hurts me. Every time you and Hank come around and make blanket statements about how boring the place is, how hypocritical or shallow or whatever — it hurts me. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how you could possibly think that it wouldn’t.

Ahhhhhh –

And for CiF’s most love Frenchman, Fripouille, well other than BTTP,  (Montana again):

Oh, and I don’t know if Fripouille ever lurks here, but just in case he does, You really are a pompous, arrogant, vile, insensitive sac of pus.

Here’s Montana in full flow voicing her love of Chekhov:

Argue your own fucking views — don’t argue a point and then say “Gosh, I don’t really believe it!” when you realise you’re outnumbered.

And finally:

FUCK OFF, BITEY Yes, you sick, stupid motherfucking arsewipe. You’ve been banned. You will be banned and deleted every time you try to show your useless, stalking face here. Try all the proxies and new IDs you want — they will ALL be gone. You’re a parasite, but I’ll be goddamned if I’m going to let you feed off of this site any more.

And this is someone parents trust their children with day after day. Amazing.

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And now the anti-science of  The Untrusted tonight:

I posted: (later I’ll post a more detailed explanation of why the UT cabal are so sensitive about The Spirit Level Delusion

So The Untrusted deleted this criticism of the UK’s Prime Minister, which leaves me to wonder::
 When scientists rely on the most reactionary politician ever to have graced the UK, most of those who are even just left of centre, might accept their emotion, but seriously challenge their science.
But not the Untrusted.
 

News for 6 June 2012

Backtothepoint writes:

Knowing that, for instance, bttp was formerly SpikeParis just gives you two linked usernames and does nothing to help you know the name on my passport.

But how many English former public school boys have been members of the French Communist Party for thirty one years, live in Paris and were formerly married to a wife of Arabic origin who are now divorced?

 

News for 5 June 2012

And now the anti-science of  The Untrusted tonight:

I posted: (later I’ll post a more detailed explanation of why the UT cabal are so sensitive about The Spirit Level Delusion

So The Untrusted deleted this criticism of the UK’s Prime Minister, which leaves me to wonder::
 When scientists rely on the most reactionary politician ever to have graced the UK, most of those who are even just left of centre, might accept their emotion, but seriously challenge their science.
But not the Untrusted.
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Backtothepoint writes:

Knowing that, for instance, bttp was formerly SpikeParis just gives you two linked usernames and does nothing to help you know the name on my passport.

But how many English former public school boys have been members of the French Communist Party for thirty one years, live in Paris and were formerly married to a wife of Arabic origin who are now divorced?

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On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 9:17 AM, <cif.moderation@guardian.co.uk> wrote to Shenkuo:

Hello,

Thanks for your email. Your account was disabled because it shared similarities with a number of other accounts which had previously been disabled. 
Our FAQs are very clear on multiple accounts and actions that will be taken once they have been discovered.

Q: Can I have multiple usernames? 
A: No. Our terms of use clearly state that users should not maliciously create additional registration accounts for the purpose of abusing the functionality of the site, or other users, nor seek to pass themselves off as another user.

Setting up and using multiple usernames to try to fool people or subvert the moderation of the site will lead to a users account being banned completely.

Our moderators do keep an eye out for multiple usernames and will ban them when they spot them.

Thanks, 
Jim

To which the following reply was sent today:

Hello Jim,

I always thought that “multiple accounts” referred to people who had several users names on the go at the same time, rather than a succession of user names, one following the other. I’m sure that was the intention behind that particular standard and if your interpretation were strictly implemented , large numbers of your posters would disappear overnight.

If I wasn’t so against censorship I could run a little competition here.

More importantly by deleting my posts you have rather destroyed the historical record of the discussion contained in the threads. While this may be of little concern to you, when historians are studying the internet in years to come, they might be somewhat disappointed at the cavalier attitude to such cultural vandalism by the staff of an international newspaper.

Regards,

Bitethehand

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So RichJames has flounced off from You Tell Us having once again been mildly castigated by those he thought were his loyal admirers:

I went for a long walk, had a think, and really, I think it’s best that I don’t post on You Told Us in future. It’s not doing me or anyone else any favours to be arguing constantly.

Maybe he also needs to consider his pathetic action on other threads.

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News for 4 June 2012

JaneBasingstoke makes an interesting post on CiF’s You Tell Us.

1. Bitey has even more issues with even more people than I realised. The gripes that appear on CiF are the tip of the iceberg.

And indeed only those I’ve written about so far here. So as and when, you can expect more expressions of difference as time goes by. And not gripes – I never complain; it’s people like RichJames who don’t have a response to criticism who complain.

2. Bitey has been carefully storing his posting history for years in the expectation that in the future everyone will recognise that he is in the right.

No they’re stored bacause as posters observe, sometimes their carefully constructed posts disappear somewhere between their computer and the Guardian’s, so better safe than sorry. And as you said about Tony Shallcross’ article – it’s still available, as are most of my posts if you know how to look for them.

3. Bitey has not taken account of the fact that with his opponents having their posts and their accounts modded too, it is much harder for even someone involved in the original argument to work out what the hell was going on in the argument.

Quite correct and sometimes it baffles me too. But that’s what this site is for – and people can always ask for an explanation here.

4. Bitey has a lot of respect for former poster ultimathule.

Yes and many others – even those who make it their pupose in life to keep me off CiF. I always make a point of praising good posts, like here for Annetan and another here for BeautifulBurnoutThe words “good post” appear over 95 times in my posting history – and often to more than one person in the same post.

5. Bitey doesn’t quite understand the structure of a WordPress blog.

Got any suggesting for improving my understanding?

6.  Bitey has a talent for photographs and a respectable taste in music.

Thank you.

8. I suspect Bitey might be disappointed in my reaction to his blog.

On the contrary I’m delighted – and if you’d wanted a demolition job you only had to ask.  o(╯□╰)o

RichJames posts:

You know well enough how nasty many people who come here are: they arrive under new profiles, but are suspiciously well-informed about peoples’ past histories, and immediately begin laying into people.

And now they got an ongoing record to refer to RichJames, and who were you referring to here?

It’s a word to the wise, and nothing more, but there are posters who come here to nurse their grudges against other readers. 

Sounds just like you.

The posts of Shenkuo 28 May – 3 June 2012

…….the banning of Shenkuo last night was particularly repugnant, and can only be explained by the usual suspects reporting him on mass – shame on the gutless moderators for buckling under mob pressure

101 – 3 June 2012

MakeMPsOwnUp  3 Jun 2012, 1:31AM

I honestly can’t believe that the mods have pounced on this stuff.

What stuff? You have one post censured in this thread and make out it’s as if they deleted War and Peace. Shenkuo’s posts have been completely zapped along with their profile but you only appear to have had content moderated.

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News for 3 June 2012

In a display of rank hypocrisy, one of the censors in chief, RichJames has posted a long list of dos and don’ts about posting on YTU.

Julian Assange

Rather poor article here by Amy Goodman about the UK supreme court’s decision to give Julian Assange 14 more days to fight his extradition to Sweden to face questioning about his alleged rape and sexual assault of two women.

I’m reminded of the conclusion of CiF’s leading legal mind, BeautifulBurnout when the case first broke, writing in response to this article – WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange wanted by Interpol over rape case:

Call me a tinfoil hatter if you like (and I wish I could remember KT’s neoligism for it), but does anyone else believe this pile of steaming crap?

So BeautifulBurnout tells the world that the complaint to the police by two women about the sexual assaults they’ve suffered  is a “pile of steaming crap”. 

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News for 3 June 2012

Julian Assange

Rather poor article here by Amy Goodman about the UK supreme court’s decision to give Julian Assange 14 more days to fight his extradition to Sweden to face questioning about his alleged rape and sexual assault of two women.

I’m reminded of the conclusion of CiF’s leading legal mind, BeautifulBurnout when the case first broke, writing in response to this article – WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange wanted by Interpol over rape case:

Call me a tinfoil hatter if you like (and I wish I could remember KT’s neoligism for it), but does anyone else believe this pile of steaming crap?

So BeautifulBurnout tells the world that the complaint to the police of of two women about the sexual assaults they’ve suffered are  a “pile of steaming crap”. 

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News for 1 June 2012

RichJames so chokes when he tries to write Bitethehand he’s taken to calling me Snogmonster. It’s a little childish but I guess only to be expected from someone with such an unfortunate psychiatric disorder. Those like BeautifulBurnout who encourage him will doubtless deny all responsibility when he cracks up – as he did yesterday with outburst against Fencewalker, calling him cowardly and not very bright, in a post since deleted.

So since 24 September 2011 there have been 80 references to the said Snogmonster of which 64 are from RichJames, and his barrister chum BeautifulBurnout who chimed in with six of her own. And not one of them has any purpose other than the prevent me from posting and presumably to add a little light relief to their own dismal existences. And in this objective they failed miserably.

It’s quite an achievement to put so much effort into saying absolutely nothing. And he has the gall to criticise the BBC for the way it presents the news.

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Here’s BeautifulBurnout with what some might consider to be abusing stay at home mums:

This is a woman who is working to support herself and her child. If you bother to read the article, she could have stayed at home and leeched a good deal more in benefits. Instead – even though she would only gain an extra £20 per week – she went out to work instead.

(Leech – A follower who hangs around a host (without benefit to the host) in hope of gain or advantage)

BeautifulBurnout is the owner of two houses – one in West Sussex and another in France yet she considers herself qualified to condemn a landlord she knows nothing about for renting out his / her flat to a single mother in receipt of housing benefit.

Mind you here she is offering Tebbitesque “get on your bike” advice to

<b>NapoleonKaramazov</b> who lives in Scotland:

<i>I understand you’re in the SE at the moment. Get down to the Job Centre at either Gatwick Airport or Crawley and you will find a job – I virtually guarantee it. Crawley, apparently, is the lowest area of unemployment in the country.</i>

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News for 31 May 2012

Here’s BeautifulBurnout defending capitalist property relationships she so despises:

It is not “the power anonymously to hand out merit badges” that confers on Guardian staff a superior status. They are superior, to the extent that they are the owners and, thus, in charge of this place.

Some armchair revolutionary that one, notwithstanding the fact that unless the Guardian has changed its status overnight, the staff are not the owners. If anyone owns it, it’s the Scott Trust.

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News for 30 May 2012

Here’s BeautifulBurnout defending capitalist property relationships she so despises:

It is not “the power anonymously to hand out merit badges” that confers on Guardian staff a superior status. They are superior, to the extent that they are the owners and, thus, in charge of this place.

Some armchair revolutionary that one, notwithstanding the fact that unless the Guardian has changed its status overnight, the staff are not the owners. If anyone owns it, it’s the Scott Trust.

News for 29 May 2012

I notice AndyLucia is winding himself up to seek the banning of another poster who challenges his ideas. This time it’s Chablis.

AndyLucia does not debate with Chablis because …….

Sound very much like Backtothepoint.

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RichJames, 29 May 2012 2:36PM post on You Tell Us:

There was a job advertised today that I thought about applying for (in fairness, I couldn’t anyway, given that I don’t have a driving licence); but it was for a children’s support worker, and was open only to female applicants. The other requirement was “Candidates must have an understanding of issues relating to domestic violence and be able to relate sensitively and respond positively to women and children under stress”.

Why is it that men are ineligible to work such jobs?

Maybe it’s because men who post jibes like this at josephmalik – demonstrate they’re totally unsuitable for the job.

That time of the month is it, Joseph?

The only man alive who exhibits the symptoms of Post Menstrual Tension

The post remained for at least 10 hours before being removed by the mods.

 

News for 28 May 2012

Monday morning, 09.50 and You Tell Us still closed since 12.38pm yesterday.

Interesting discussion PeterBracken’s contribution to CiF on the early closed YTU, so here he is confounding one of the protagonists,  Gegenbeispiel at some time in the past:

On the Twin Towers so called conspiracy:

Is it any wonder people still believe in God or Communism or aromatherapy when others can so collude in the diminution of sanity?

Perfect riposte to Gegenbeispiel, who for once managed to post without giving us a lecture on how everything wrong in the world is down to the evils of capitalism.

And here he is on CiF’s moderation:

I’m not talking about abuse or libel or defamation. I’m talking about the nuts and bolts of opinion.

Some posters here really do need a reality check. It’s should be perfectly acceptable to be offensive about a commentor’s ideas. Let me make this very important point crystal. I can say, without fear of recrimination, that peterbracken’s observation that the poor are feckless and indolent, is a travesty of compassion. I can say, too, that he is clearly devoid of empathy, which is borne of his slavish adherence to the spirit-sapping cosh of capitalism.

What I can’t say is that he is so predisposed because he abuses his wife and children and was probably bullied at school.

The difference between the the nature of these observations is so fabulously obvious I have no idea why the Guardian can’t discriminate between them. But, the fact is, it doesn’t.

And here on who should pay for their university education:

To reiterate: the burden of university fees should fall on those who gain the benefit of university education, namely the students, not paid for from the taxed earnings of families whose children don’t benefit. Largely the children of the working class.

And here’s Backtothepoint on 17/11/10, who campaigned so vigorously to get Bracken banned:

‘As I dont engage with Bracken since its pointless, ive reported that comment as abusive’.

and on 8/6/11

Actually, I do report Bracken’s posts for abuse when he smears me. There’s not a lot else I can do since it’s pointless descending to his level, but the sort of things he says about me could get me put on a file.

News for 27 May 2012

MontanaWildhack on You Tell Us

I generally agree with you, except for the notion that Bracken writes “floridly and elegantly”. Abusing one’s thesaurus in an attempt to make oneself seem more intellectual isn’t elegant — it’s pretentious. The purpose of writing is to communicate. The only excuse a good writer ever has for using a word that will send most readers off to their dictionaries is if that word has a shade of meaning that other, more common words do not have. In Bracken’s quest to seem more-intellectual-than-thou, he frequently misused words. If he’d really wanted to communicate, he’d have stuck with words he actually understood.

Yes no chance you falling foul of that is there Montana?

FUCK OFF, BITEY Yes, you sick, stupid motherfucking arsewipe. You’ve been banned. You will be banned and deleted every time you try to show your useless, stalking face here.

The origin of Montana’s grievance can be found in her first excursion ATL when she was truly taken to the cleaners by among others her fellow Americans.

 

News for 26 May 2012

MontanaWildhack on You Tell Us

I generally agree with you, except for the notion that Bracken writes “floridly and elegantly”. Abusing one’s thesaurus in an attempt to make oneself seem more intellectual isn’t elegant — it’s pretentious. The purpose of writing is to communicate. The only excuse a good writer ever has for using a word that will send most readers off to their dictionaries is if that word has a shade of meaning that other, more common words do not have. In Bracken’s quest to seem more-intellectual-than-thou, he frequently misused words. If he’d really wanted to communicate, he’d have stuck with words he actually understood.

Yes no chance you falling foul of that is there Montana?

FUCK OFF, BITEY Yes, you sick, stupid motherfucking arsewipe. You’ve been banned. You will be banned and deleted every time you try to show your useless, stalking face here.

The origin of Montana’s grievance can be found in her first excursion ATL when she was truly taken to the cleaners by among others her fellow Americans.

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International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde says she has more sympathy for deprived children in sub-Saharan Africa than for many of those facing poverty in Greece.

Greek parents have to take responsibility if their children are being affected by spending cuts and “have to pay their tax,” Lagarde said in an interview with the U.K.’s Guardian.

Sounds a bit like that earlier French women and the cake

Lagarde has a salary of $467,940 and an expense allowance of $83,760 a year – after tax.

 

News for 25 May 2012

BBC4 plays a night of Pink Floyd – yet none of those who claim the band had such an overpowering influence on their lives appears to have been watching.

News for 24 May 2012

Copied verbatim, I’m told, after being grabbed from the jaws of the moderators:

alecllewellyn posted 23 May 2012 7:45PM

Response to backtothepoint’s challenge to name names:

“Care to list these dozen or so posters who so “convivially” unite against anything “different or challenging”?”

richjames
fripouille
andylucia
beautifulburnout
brusselsexpats
kizbot
pagey
backtothepoint
arecbalrin
johnyarddog
deinatelynotashark
goldenmeme

Perhaps a better description would be that all these posters wank each other off (metaphorically) no matter what inconsequential bullshit they spout to each other, at the cost of exclusion of other posters who might well have something interesting to say.

You can do your own research on their own very extensive comment histories to verify (or not) my modest claim. Modesty forbids me from commenting specifically on your own sickenly sycophantic mutual on-line relationship with a certain ‘legal’ stalwart of these hallowed and educational threads.

btw I would be surprised if casual and occasional contributors to this sometimes interesting thread were not in agreement with me. I don’t expect much support for my outrageous claims, but I do expect some responses from the usual suspects – so far, richjames, backtothe point, and beautifulburnout all inside 15 minutes. And that was before you challenged me to name names.

I anxiously await further responses from the non-existent clique.

News for 23 May 2012

Interesting skirmish between Backtothepoint and Chablis and fripouille with Spike once more trying to deny his allegiance to the former Soviet dictatorship. He asks:

By the way, which “various communist states” do I “support”?

Well there’s this one Backtothepoint, as your memory seems to be playing tricks again. Here you are:

I was unsurprised when the Eastern-bloc system collapsed. I thought Andropov was the Soviet Union’s last chance of effective socialist reform and when he died prematurely, I was pretty sure it was all over bar the shouting. Then the hugely incompetent Gorbachev came along and things turned out worse than even I imagined.

That’s this Yuri Andropov, the butcher of Prague.

“The struggle for human rights (in Soviet controlled Europe) was a part of a wide-ranging imperialist plot to undermine the foundation of the Soviet state”. In 1968 Andropov issued a KGB Chairman’s order – “On the tasks of State security agencies in combating the ideological sabotage by the adversary”, calling for the repression of dissidents and their imperialist masters.

The brutal repression of dissidents included plans to maim the dancer Rudolf Nureyev, who had defected in 1961.

So BTTP was unsurprised that the Eastern-bloc system collapsed but then suggested that the man, probably the last of the Stalinist butchers, who had crushed both the Hungarians and the Czechs and postponed the democratisation of Easter bloc countries for another 33 years, should have become leader of the country whose military did the crushing.

This almost trumps his equivocation about suicide bombing.

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backtothepoint

Apparently Tory donors have the mindset and rhetorical skills of spotty adolescents who say that all teachers are Nazis and call classmates ‘so gay’ because they have Reeboks instead of Nikes.

Somewhat like the mindset of backtothepoint then:

backtothepoint

Well, since you condemn the East German regime so strongly, it obviously means you prefer the regime that preceded it: Hitler’s.

To which I responded:

backtothepoint

The only obvious thing about your remark is that you have learnt a lot about the logic of the Stalinist show trials and the way they forced confessions from the innocent. Arthur Koesler in his classic ‘Darkness at Noon’, his best-known work about Rubashov, a Bolshevik old guard and 1917 revolutionary who is cast out, imprisoned, and tried for treason by the Soviet government he once helped create. The novel is set in 1938 during the Stalinist purges and Moscow show trials. It reflects the author’s personal disillusionment with Stalin’s communism.

George Orwell said that “Rubashov might be called Trotsky, Bukharin, Rakovsky or some other relatively civilised figure among the Old Bolsheviks”.

I think the word “civilised” should be in quotes, but compared to Stalin they were gentlemen incarnate.

Try reading it BTTP and maybe you’ll realise how crass your Hitler accusations are.

So which one are you Spike, a Tory donor or a spotty adolescent?

BeautifuBurnout – demonstrates hyperbole

What “new breed of solicitor” is going to go to university, law school and go through a training contract to be paid the minimum wage at the end of it, when they could earn as much money stacking shelves in Tesco?

Could it be something to do with job satisfaction?

I can’t imagine you being able to spend twelve hours a day and more on CiF and the UT if you were working at Tesco, stacking the shelves. And later on the same thread it turns out that the current minimum wage for the profession:

probably works out at about £30 – £40 gross per hour per case, depending on the complexity.

Some minimum wage.

News for 22 May 2012

BeautifulBurnout

But then I used to be ANL/Rock Against Racism etc. when I was a teenager, so I tend to have my “spot-the-fash” glasses on most of the time.

Shame you didn’t get a pair of “spot the paedo” ones or would that be asking too much of your anti-prejudice.

backtothepoint

Yep. Member of the French Communist Party for 31 years

Amazing you haven’t died from boredom. So what are you First Commissar for You Tell Us?

News for 21 May 2012

Posted on YTU today by kingsx84

Richard Bacon, the BBC DJ, recently made a documentary on ‘trolling’. It was quite insightful and showed how some of the culprits, despite being caught once, continue to ‘troll’ the web.

In fact the programme had nothing to do with trolls of any kind but about online bullying of which HankScorpio is the current UK champion.

Broadcaster Richard Bacon has been targeted by an obsessive tirade of anonymous online abuse over the last two years, aimed not just at him but at his wife, mother and baby son. Motivated by his own experience, in this documentary Richard attempts to hunt down and confront three online bullies, including his own, only to learn that unmasking these so-called trolls can be a dangerous pursuit.

Richard is one of an increasing number of victims of cyberbullies and internet trolls who use fake identities on social networking sites to torment, harass and abuse. They even target the tribute sites of young people who have committed suicide, posting vile comments and images with devastating consequences for the victims’ families.

Several times during the programme Bacon made it quite clear that as a participant in online threads he expected to get and to give robust comments. I am someone who’s never used abusive language in any of my posts and whose coments have been appreciated time and again over the years by the more discerning readers, so he’s rather like me.

However what became quite clear as the programme unfolded was that rather than me being an example of the kind of bully he described and sought out, it was those on CiF and the Untrusted site, of whom one of the most prominent is HankScorpio along with his adoring fans. They fit Bacon’s definition while at the same time bleat on about the infringement of other people’s rights and happiness.

Over four hundred posts about me, many of them abusive were posted on the Untrusted site from mid March 2009 to early May 2010 when I made my first post. Hank’s continual accusations of paedophilia along with the failure of other posters to object to his behaviour, would I suggest be an interesting subject for another programme by Richard Bacon.

News for 20 May 2012

MontanaWildhack announces to all and sundry:

Ask BB or Thauma (two people I adore) whether or not I’m afraid to disagree sharply with them.

Seems adoration causes short term memory loss.

Here are Montana and BeautifulBurnout fighting like cats in a sack:

I felt and continue to feel, that her response to me was patronising and dismissive. Nothing that she said on Wednesday did anything to change that feeling. On the contrary, quite frankly, they only increased my irritation.

You claimed yesterday that you didn’t mention your own sexual abuse as a bit of one-upmanship or to imply that you had dealt with yours in a healthier way than I had.

I’m sorry, but you are far too intelligent and, as a lawyer, far too skilled in the use of language to have not intended an implication that your professional opinion carried more weight than my personal opinion.

and further on:

So you’ve actually made your opinion — one that really has nothing to do with your professional training — quite clear. You believe that the little girl was lying because she was afraid of getting into trouble. Now, if you had said that your personal opinion is as valid as mine, you would have been correct. But you are dressing up a personal opinion as a professional one to try to give yourself an authority on this that you just don’t have and that is what is patronising.

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An exchange in the Comments section today reminded me of one from back in 2010 when I was asked:

Why are you so bothered about a foulmouthed bunch who are forced to spend all their time blogging in some private chatroom for want of anything better to do?

To which I replied:

Because not to be bothered would be to admit that censorship wins the day.

And maybe one day those who sought my banning and continue to identify me in the full knowledge that it will lead to a further banning, will realise that having the reputation of being a censor for the rest of their lives will not be something to boast about to their children and grandchildren.

News for 18 May 2012

Nice of fripouille to give me a mention on CiF yesterday.

News for 17 May 2012

Nice of fripouille to give me a mention on CiF yesterday.

News for 16 May 2012

fripouille, who seems to be the most recent unattached male to have a school-boyish crush on MrsBootstraps writes:

Hey, I wanted to say how horrified I was to learn from reading one of your recent comments that some people have denounced you to the Bar for your online activities and opinions. Jesus, how sick can they get….?

and

There are some real sickos in the Internet wotsit-thingy-web-wide-world ‘community’,

Some people?  You mean there’s more than one contemplating that avenue to justice?

And you think it’s fine for one of the Bar’s barristers to make false accusations of paedophilia and if not specifically encourage others to do the same, do nothing to dissuade them?

MrsB’s response shows her usual contempt for her professional body’s Code of Conduct and replies:

Put it this way, Frip – I have no doubt that person would do just that if he ever found out my real ID.

But the Bar Standards Board would probably have to change their underwear from laughing so much before they responded with a terse “Don’t be so bloody stupid, you idiot”- type letter.

And fripouille replies:

Well I’m heartiley pleased to read that BB. There are some real sickos in the Internet wotsit-thingy-web-wide-world ‘community’, that’s for sure. (Oh, and I’ll be arriving in London on July 10, for 4 days. It’s not urgent (yet) but I’d like to ask you something about that that would be off-topic here, so could you email me (address on my blog) at some point? pleeze?)

Surely the man isn’t going to to make a pass – as he’ll have to fight off Backtothepoint if he is.

So what does The Bar Standards Board say?

Applicable to all barristers

301. A barrister must have regard to paragraph 104 and must not:

(a) engage in conduct whether in pursuit of his profession or otherwise which is:

(i) dishonest or otherwise discreditable to a barrister;

(ii) prejudicial to the administration of justice; or

(iii) likely to diminish public confidence in the legal profession or the administration of justice or otherwise bring the legal profession into disrepute;

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HankScorpio, BeautifulBurnout & Paedophilia

For anyone interested in accuracy, justice and free speech, I’ve written a piece to counter the all too often accusations made about me by members of The Untrusted cabal.

News for 15 May 2012

MontanaWildhack, 15 May 2012 5:55am responding to HowMeanisMyDetractor, recently banned, who posted about AndyLucia:

Boring? One thing I can deduce is that you could never be other posters because you post here so often and in such a boring manner.

MrsWildhack wrote about HowMeanisMyDetractor:

This is a prime example of what I was just referring to. Not a sweary word in that, but it’s a nasty, horrible (and patently untrue) thing to say to someone. And it’s hypocritical coming from someone who’s awfully precious about what people say about him.

But it doesn’t contain any sweary words, so Meanie gets to fancy himself a good person.

The hypocrisy of  MrsWildhack is breathtaking in the light of her comment here just a few minutes later

Oh, look! A brand-spanking-new poster who seems to have some sort of insider knowledge about a now-banned poster! What are the odds?

So denying someone their freedom of speech isn’t nasty and horrible in MontanaWildhack’s book.

And this from someone who spat at HankScorpio and Scherfig:

“But you can come along and spout shit whenever you feel like it and accuse me of not being as authentic as you are. You are no better than Parallax or Bitey or Billp, Hank. You’re nothing but a fucking troll anymore.”

followed by:

“Every time I see people on Cif making nasty comments about the UT (or “Montana’s blog”, as some people say), it hurts me. Every time you and Hank come around and make blanket statements about how boring the place is, how hypocritical or shallow or whatever — it hurts me. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how you could possibly think that it wouldn’t.”

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HankScorpio, BeautifulBurnout & Paedophilia

For anyone interested in accuracy, justice and free speech, I’ve written a piece to counter the all too often accusations made about me by members of The Untrusted cabal.

News for 14 May 2012

BeautifulBurnout on discovering a link to this article on The Untrusted

Oh look.  There’s the Stalker.  *gets out magic wand*

And ZAAAAAAP!  Turn to shit!

For anyone interested in accuracy, justice and free speech, I’ve written a piece to counter the all too often accusations made about me by members of The Untrusted cabal.

News for 13 May 2012

JaneBasingstoke posting on You Tell Us, 12 May 2012, 3:33pm

@RichJames

Aggression and hostility are intrinsic to human beings – that is generally recognised as what makes humanity tragic: we live in a world where we are constantly subject to various difficulties and pains; yet we insist on destroying our own brothers and sisters, and end up destroying ourselves in the process.

Peace is hard work at the best of times. And I blame other people. It’s always the other people that screw things up. Other bloody people!

But you are obviously Bitey. So peace is impossible with you.

Well I’ve had some insults hurled in my direction over the years but to be compared to RichJames comes pretty near the top of the list.

News for 12 May 2012

BeautifulBurnout has recorded a volte-face on You Tell Us. Writing about the most recent well publicised case of appalling violence against women and the failure of police intervention she writes:

Far too many women think a few punches in the face and the odd kicking on a Friday night is the price they have to pay for a roof over their heads and food on their children’s plates. While on the spur of the moment, when they are being beaten black and blue, they have the resolve to leave and will call the police, by the time the trial comes along they often convince themselves – especially after a period of separation enforced by bail conditions – that they can’t survive without their abusers.

There has to be a serious shift somewhere, somehow. I don’t know how we can go about it, but there has got to be better resources available for anyone – male or female – who is the subject of partner violence, and a means of housing them and their families safely and free from fear of abuse.

It’s good to see BeautifulBurnout has changed her position since she penned this piece ATL and is now calling for massive state intervention to assist women (and men) who are the victims of violent partners. Here’ what she wrote about Sabina Akhtar who during her short marriage, suffered violence from her partner on 25 separate occasions and who just two months before her death had threatened to come home with a knife and “slaughter” her.

The forthcoming Refuge case raises some very important questions. First, if Kennedy is right, and if this case succeeds, aren’t we opening the doors to a deluge of similar cases? How can we hold the police responsible for crimes committed during their watch? Are they to post an armed guard outside the house of every person who makes a complaint that they have been threatened? How are they able to judge which of the complaints made to them will lead to actual violence and murder, and which amount to no more than idle threats bandied about in the heat of a row?

Lastly, and perhaps more controversially, what does this tell the perpetrators of such heinous crimes? Do we really need to be giving them the message that while they may be responsible, perhaps it isn’t entirely their own fault after all? Doesn’t this belittle the memory of Sabina Akhtar – the notion that, after years of cruel violence, her husband’s responsibility is somehow diminished by virtue of the fact that there is someone else to shoulder the blame too?

To which MrBullfrog responded:

This part of your argument isn’t so much controversial as bizarre. If followed to its conclusion, we should never intervene in any way to stop people from doing things to each other, however nasty, because it would relieve the perpetrator of responsibility. As it is, we have a right to expect representatives of the state to take action to prevent crime. There are philosophical arguments as to how far they should be allowed to limit freedoms in order to do so, and there are practical arguments about how much they can be expected to do, and this case raises both of those, as you point out. But there is no reason to think that by accepting those responsibilities state agencies in any way diminish the responsibilities of criminals and murderers.

News for 11 May 2012

HowMeanisMyDetractor 11 May 2012, 7:32am, About Bitethehand:

“is he the Angel of Death” – the Angel of Surreal is more fitting. The weaving together of strands of political debate can be fascinating then this Bitey chap is brought into it and the reader is plunged into a plot worthy of an episode of The Prisoner, i.e. for many it’s impossible to know what’s going on. He (if it is a man) may intend to set you fighting amongst yourselves. Those mistaken for Bitey or anyone else would be well advised to ignore those accusations too: time will soon reveal that they are not. Maybe one day the Bitey saga will find a resolution.

Maybe it will.

From the Guardian editorial:

Grooming trial: class action

Worse, when this victim finally found the courage to report what was happening in 2008, first the police and then the Crown Prosecution Service refused to treat her as a credible witness and the case was dropped.

Worse, when this victim finally found the courage to report what was happening in 2008, first the police and then the Crown Prosecution Service refused to treat her as a credible witness and the case was dropped.

The first paragraph could quite easily have been written by BeautifulBurnout, reflecting as it does her own position about the murder of Sabina Akhtar – Don’t blame the police for Sabina Akhtar’s murder

The second paragraph comes straight from Anne Tan’s “My little Red Book of Marxism” where every wrong that could possibly happen in the world is down to ignoring Marx’s 170 year old theory of class analysis.

No surprise the editorial isn’t open for comments.

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Jane Martinson writes:

Afzal, who is of Pakistani origin, has talked of being bullied, racially abused 
and then attacked when he was at university. “Those first two decades of my 
life, the way I’d been brought up was: ‘Don’t bother telling the police. There’s 
no point.'”

And to find the origin of this attitude, look no futher than the pages of The
Untrusted where regularly its subscribers portray the UK’s police as – well it’s not 
worth bothering to report crimes .

Martinson’s article is titled – Why the Rochdale ‘grooming trial’ wasn’t about 
race, but goes on to write:

Afzal has not shied away from the fact that Asian men are disproportionately 
responsible for on-street grooming. Previously vilified for his role in highlighting 
female genital mutilation, for example, he calls different cultural habits “the 
elephant in the room”.

And he is quite right on both counts – but Jane Martinson seems to see no
conflict between her article’s title and Mr Afzal’s conclusion.

Once again we have men who feel they can exploit any women however old or young, for their own sexual gratification, and not surprisingly we fail accuse those who are guilty and instead find every kind of excuse to blame the young women.

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Posts announcing the new article The Hounding of Ultimathule were promptly deleted from both YTU and the UT, so no surprise from the enemies of free speech who inhabit those places.

Ultimathule had posted on CiF from at least November 2007, from a committed feminist position. Over the years she had generated a vast amount of vicious hatred from those who opposed her views…………

News for 9 May 2012

New article today:

The Hounding of Ultimathule

Ultimathule had posted on CiF from at least November 2007, from a committed feminist position. Over the years she had generated a vast amount of vicious hatred from those who opposed her views…………

News for 8 May 2012

MontanaWildhack showing her love of fellow CiF poster Fripouille

Oh, and I don’t know if Fripouille ever lurks here, but just in case he does:

You really are a pompous, arrogant, vile, insensitive sac of pus.  

Not sure what caused this outbreak so will need to investigate. But the thought that this woman has charge of young peoples’ education is quite astounding.

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News for 7 May 2012

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News for 6 May 2012

Read my follow-up to Stalking – the myth and the reality here.

Good to see after a week of pleasantry that the Untrusteds are back to their normal selves. Here’s Montana in full flow voicing her love of Chekhov:

Argue your own fucking views — don’t argue a point and then say “Gosh, I don’t really believe it!” when you realise you’re outnumbered.

And from today’s Guardian 

Louise, you don’t know the half of online cruelty

Ms Mensch should be applauded for highlighting Twitter abuse, but internet hatred goes far beyond sexism

Like this comment from OneInTen

“Ultimahule – you are a fucking disgrace. A fantasist, hypocritical, blinkered moron spouting bile and acting like your retarded opinions make you superior to everyone on here. Everyone who doesn’t agree with you, of course. it’s like a little club of psychos hanging out, talking SHITE and then congratulating each other. you make me fucking sick.”

Read more here………

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News for 5 May 2012

Read my follow-up to Stalking – the myth and the reality here.

London Mayoral Election

Looks like Ken Livingstone took a bigger pounding over tax avoidance than he did over consorting with Yusuf al-Qaradawi at the time of the last election for London Mayor.

There are two accusations of stalking made against me in the comments on the
opening page of this site, one from scherfig and the other from MontanaWildhack……..

Read more here………

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News for 4 May 2012

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News for 3 May 2012

There are two accusations of stalking made against me in the comments on the
opening page of this site, one from scherfig and the other from MontanaWildhack……..

Read more here………

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News for 2 May 2012

snap!  South London Women Artists working together

2-7 May 2012
South London Women Artists’ are pleased to present their biennial exhibition cross-referencing contemporary female art with the history of feminism.   We will also be launching a new academic diary showcasing women artists at the private view on 2 May.  This will happen alongside a display of archived diaries from The Women’s Art Library at Goldsmiths University of London.  During the show there will be school workshops, gallery talks and a performative event.
Venue
Bankside Gallery, 48 Hopton Street, London SE1 9JH
Opening times
10am-6pm, admission free
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News for 1 May 2012

Wonderful what you come across when doing a little research on stalking, about which more later. Recently I exposed Backtothepoint accusing Xiangchen of being me and in doing so also accusing her of child abuse. As he’s proud to tell us BTTP used to post as SpikeParis and here he is over four years ago accusing Ultimathule and Varisbird and at the same time adding his own bit of sexism:

SpikeParis 14 Jan 2008, 2:23PM

ultimathule: First, are you varisbird? Quite a coincidence, two people – apparently
women or pretending to be women – writing in perfect English from Finland on the
same thread and expressing much the same opinions. Why don’t you say hello to
each other, or didn’t you notice each other’s comments? Good of you to leap to
her/his (your?) defence though, when she/he can’t be bothered to answer

varisbird 14 Jan 2008, 6:21PM

SpikeParis
By the way, I am not Ultimathule (as she already told you) and I am not just
pretending to be a woman. There are more people in Finland than one. Many of us
speak good English

HankScorpio quote for today:

Two contrasting, some would say contradictory posts from Mr Scorpio. The first from CiF:

HankScorpio  4 April 2008 11:31PM

@Roncim – … As I alluded to above, it rankles with me that CiF is open to 
reactionary bigots*  when the right-wing papers don’t show the same tolerance. On 
the other hand, I do enjoy the debate at times and I enjoy the moral superiority 
that comes with knowing that the Guardian pays greater respect to free speech 
than the right-wing rags that your politics are clearly aligned to. [Edited by 
moderator]

And the second from The Untrusted

You should have banned Bitey a long time ago. You didn’t because you had some 
idealistic principles about liberty and censorship, and you never realised that you 
effectively censor others by giving him free rein to outing people as he did 
yesterday by linking to a Cif post from BB from three years ago**

It’s shameful that he’s still allowed to post on here, peddling lies and abusing the 
rights of others.

And now you’re all gonna cold shoulder me by posting pictures of baby fucking 
seals because, what, my left-wing vision is a bit more left-wing than your left- 
wing vision which exonerates all of you from blame for where we are.

It’s both pitiful and cowardly.

Anyone who disagrees with HankScorpio he calls a bigot – it was one of most used words on his time on CiF. Goodness knows what it was the moderators edited out.

** This refers to a link I produced to BeautifulBurnout’s ATL article in the Guardian in which she exonerated the police for releasing  Malik Mannan on bail and who immediately went home and stabbed his 26-year-old wife Sabina Akhtar to death.

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News for 30 April 2012 

The weekend’s You Tell Us closed for business this morning shortly after 10.55am and a new thread has yet to be opened at 14.35pm.  Were comments over the weekend about the number of article not open to comment prophetic?

An apology from Jessica Reed at 2.53pm – Apologies for the delay – site was down and Bella is on holidays. Please repost your best ideas below!

An interesting weekend with more than a dozen mentions on You Tell Us.

HankScorpio quote for today:

Don’t misrepresent what I’ve said, yak, you snivelling arsewipe. Don’t bother engaging with my arguments until you’ve developed the necessary brain cels.

@Yak – yeh, thank God you emigrated. The moment you left the country the collective IQ shot up.

Tell the truth now, where have you emigrated to and what are you employed as? I am genuinely interested to know, given that your profile suggests that you’re not the sharpest and least xenophobic knife in the box.

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News for 29 April 2012 

An interesting follow on from fleuregingold’s post yesterday with HowMeanisMyDetractor observing:

Creeps. When they were at school they would be the ones who told tales to the teachers.

GrandpasBarn then recalled being accused of being me “within my first six posts”.

BeautifulBurnoutthe armchair incendiarist, completely missed the point – doubtless trying to avoid accepting that she’s the teacher’s snitch.

Then HowMeanisMyDetractor coming back twice. First to say he didn’t read the
comments that were moderated yesterday, but still felt sufficiently informed to
conclude I’m a lunatic, and so joining that group who when they’ve nothing to
contribute conclude that those they disagree with are mad. Then an hour later
returns to the subject with – I am not convinced that either Bitey or Giyus is just
one person – i suspect others are jumping on the bandwagon and copying their
style.

Now I wouldn’t dream of speaking for Giyus, but apart from this time on The Untrusted, on 16 August 2009, many months before I graced that place with my thoughts, I’m not aware of anyone impersonating me. Seventeen posts on one day pretending to be me – so my question is who is stalking whom?

I’ll return to this issue at a later date.

HankScorpio quote for today:

“The anti-smoking lobby are distinguished by their puritan school monitor views, none more so than AlexJones. Alex, I’d far rather spend an hour in a lift with a group of dedicated smokers on a sponsored smoke than with you and your self-righteous, sanctimonious, “ooh it’s smelly” middle class wank.”

And now we have MrsBurnout, a comfortably off barrister, partnered to a world travelling IT consultant, advising us:

The world economy is going to hell in a handcart, Moriarty.  And the people, unless they have a boot endlessly stamping on their face, will eventually revolt and seek to overthrow the current structure.

Of course they have to oppress us. They have too much to lose if they don’t.

I’m struggling to remember when Barristers were oppressed and had their faces stamped on, but doubtless MrsBurnout will post a link here in due course.

As no doubt she’ll provide a totally innocent explanation to this:

Hand me that pitchfork will you, MsChin?   Anyone got a lighter for my torch?

Quite an armchair  incendiarist is MrsB. Let’s hope she doesn’t suffer the same fate as the guy who joked about Doncaster airport.

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On CiF 28 April 2012:

Tonight fleuregingold posted:

A banned poster reappears under a new name and is immediately 
recognized and warmly welcomed by the likes of fripouille, andylucia, 
hermionegingold, leopold1904,cbarr and joemccann.

And in response Fiskargatan9 posted:

Even the BBC are showing concern.

Which linked here:

BBC investigating Guardian’s CiF censorship regime.

And as predicted, the arch censor of CiF, BeautifulBurnout of The Buddhist Shrine, Railway Cuttings, Crawley, Sussex, she who complains she’s being stalked, scrambled the mods on the Stalin Censorship Hotline and  Fiskargatan9 was no more.

MrsBurnout will feature here at some time in the future when there’s time to post about insignificants. But as a preview, here’s one of her more memorable contributions to denigrating the citizens of the country in which she lives and whose citizens, though compulsory taxation, pay most of her wages. She speaks here about the work of the UK’s young British soldiers serving under the United Nation’s mandate in Afghanistan:

Here she is:

And yes, it made me think that our behaviour in Afghanistan is no better than the Nazis at times.

Now I stand to be corrected on this one but my understanding is that MrsBurnout has yet to serve her time in Afghanistan, so who is the “our” she’s talking about? And precisely what behaviour of our forces is she referring to?

Her response is eagerly awaited.

And what times are we living in when one of the  The Bar Council’s barristers feels confident about denigrating the country’s young men and women to the rest of the world?

More on HankScorpio:

Following on from his racist abuse of heyhabib,  HankScorpio turned his attention to the Black English poster PaulBJ:

HankScorpio said…

You’re not proud, Paul. We all know that. Your humble and subservient, and very very greedy for approval. It’s sad to see. You need to get some self-respect.

As for wiping the floor with my white arse, don’t be silly. You’re playing up to racial stereotypes there.

“You dont exist as far as i’m concerned.”

Suits me. Fuck off back to waddya. As I said earlier, you’ll be more at home there. Maybe hermione can take you on as her houseboy.

Interesting article in the Guardian today about the on-going Dominique Strauss-Kahn affair.

As he’s now claiming he was the victim of some kind of conspiracy by the current President Sarkozy it would be worth re-visiting what it was Backtothepoint wrote when the story first broke, him being an ardent Francophile and political pundit on all things French:

Here he is broadcasting his conspiracy theory within a nano second of DSK being charged with serious sexual offences, speculating about the likely motives for this outrageous slur on such a fine, intelligent politician and hero of the left of centre French.

Do you think you’d need the police on board to have someone accused of attempted rape (and apart from anything else, I have at no point said that this is what happened)? And why French? If I were writing a thriller, I might run with the idea of the CIA liking Sarkozy’s pro-Americanism. If they can try firing poison into Castro’s lemonade, I would have thought a sexual assault fit-up would be well within their capabilities.

And again:

Sarkozy himself is supposed to know all about operations aimed at torpedoing politicians’ careers since the second Clearstream affair, in which he was accused of corruption (along with DSK, as it happened) and subsequently cleared.

And again:

It would be very convenient for the French Right if DSK suddenly became a sex offender, shortly before the primaries where he is the favourite to be elected to represent the Socialist Party against Sarkozy who has sunk below thirty percent in the polls.

And here he is expressing his disbelief:

Anyway, I see on French news that there’s a lot of disbelief being expressed, especially among the politicians who know and have worked with him, and quite a few people are disturbed by the timing of the accusation – just as the campaign for the Socialist primaries was about to begin.

And again total disbelief that someone who reaches the giddy heights of Head of the IMF could possibly be anything other than whiter than white:

Are you being deliberately obtuse? I’m saying that it’s weird that a man who’s shown enough discipline for forty years to rise to the very top of politics in a major Western country could have lost control so totally as to throw it all away on an impulse crime he had no hope of concealing.

And finally laying his “political punditry on the line:

I don’t know if there’s a precedent, but much as I’d prefer the Socialist candidate to be Martine Aubry, I’m pretty sure it’s going to be DSK. Everyone can take the piss out of my political punditry if he fails to stand.

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News for 27 April 2012 

If HankScorpio had a slogan it would be “Socialism and Equality for White Men”.

Here he is addressing sheffpixie about  heyhabib, who unlike Hank, clearly isn’t White British:

Racism is in the eye of the beholden, sheff. Having said that, I did call habib a 
paki when, in extremis, I got a bit pissed off with him stalking my every comment.

This is a man who regularly abuses many of The Untrusted regulars while they continue to fawn over the bully. And to prove the point here’s sheffpixie replying after seriously considering this racism for three minutes and dismissing it as insignificant:

Hank 

Stop bloody despairing and come and spend an evening with some friends. There’s no excuse – you can practically walk there from where you are.

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News for 26 April 2012 

Owl coming right at a Raytheon security camera. A hypnotic piece of film.

The last two or three seconds are phenomenal.

   http://www.dogwork.com/owfo8/

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News for 25 April 2012 

Three mentions on CiF yesterday:

Backtothepoint posted:

Have you seen that you and I have the dubious distinction of our own pages on bitey’s new obsessive hate blog, Rich? I won’t give the address here because I don’t feel it’s healthy to encourage his pathology with hits, but if you haven’t seen it and have a public contact email address, I’ll send you the link.
RichJames replied:

Yes. I am aware of what’s been going on; but I’m a firm believer in giving people enough rope.

I would prefer to keep mention of The Great Unclean One to a minimum, mind.

So RichJames back from his self imposed leave of absence after incorrectly exposing two other quite innocent posters of my crimes.

And

anewstart

Maybe do it as a half of a two parter, the second bit to be about INTERNET STALKERS.

Try that Bitey feller for the latter.

But that’s already been done here.

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News for 24 April 2012 

Today the Guardian covers the story of Massoud Hossaini’s photograph of the girl in green, that won the Pulitzer prize 2012. The shot shows Tarana Akbari, a 12-year-old Afghan, who cries in the aftermath of a suicide bombing at a Shiite religious ceremony at a shrine in Kabul

On the 28 January 2011 there was an interesting discussion on WDYWTTA about the moral and actual relationship between conventional armed forces and suicide bombers. As is often the case the discussion had begun over the issue of Israel / Palestine. There are still some, like backtothepoint who still seek to find excuses for suicide bombing and bombers.

The discussion is here

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News for 23 April 2012 

Two weeks after demonstrating behaviour on the Untusted that an independent observer might just consider to be that of a civilised individual, Hank Scorpio was back to his normal abusive self.

Here he is last week defending the “wife-beater” Stan Collymore:

I said that my moral code could condone one instance of “wife-beating” by Collymore, just as she could overlook Redknapp’s tax-cheating.

The point being that we all have different moral codes, we all have hierarchies of what’s permissible and excusable.

And I think that feminism and all sorts of other isms have given liberal cover to all sorts of selfish behaviour which really offend my moral code.

And here he is this week showing some of the most disgraceful racism towards one of the Untrusted regulars, PaulBJ, that would warrant a ban on most websites. But Hank remains a welcome guest, albeit with some mild reproach.

Yawn. Have the fucking courage of your convictions for a change, Uncle Tom.

Good reply from PaulBJ here.

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News for 22 April 2012 – from the archives:

Interesting post by GrandpasBarn on CiF
21 April 2012 1:15PM

Bella, not an article suggestion as such, but just a general suggestion

This site is in danger of falling in on itself. Due to the sameness of its commentators it has become a boring Clique ridden nit picking forum. Cif recently had an ad hoc ” poster of the year” vote. How about a “clean slate” amnesty vote for some of the banned posters who at the very least stimulated some true debate. Perhaps I may be allowed to start the ball rolling with the following candidates ( in no particular order )

MoveAnyMountain 
Bitethehand
PeterBracken

Thanks

To which MBC1955 replied 21 April 2012 1:29PM

Anyone who wants to invite Bitethehand back wants their bumps feeling.

And three days earlier here is MBC1955:

Are you always so reasonable and decently spoken to people who don’t entirely share your views, or do you sometimes cut loose and be rude to them?

And what have I ever done to upset MBC?  Well this?

MBC asked in July 2011

Is Gideon seriously claiming the economy’s sluggish this quarter because we took ONE day off?

To which I replied in my one and only response to MBC:

No I suspect what he’s hinting at is that if those who spent less of their employer’s time on CiF and more time working, we’d all be able to have as many days off as the French or the Spanish.

But not the Americans who are far too Puritan about the work ethic to take any time off.

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News for 21 April 2012 – from the archives:

Some thoughts on CiF’s:

Online anonymity: you want me dead, but who are you anyway?

If you direct ‘anonymous’ death threats at people online, don’t be surprised if your personal Facebook profile shows up in a book

Tinkebell is a Dutch visual artist. She provokes by exemplifying the blind spots of modern society. She confronts a public that revels in being indignant about everything that has nothing to do with them, but at the same time is very apologetic about their own actions.

To my knowledge I’ve never received any death threats but I have been threatened with violence and worse – as the quotes below from The Untrusted’s finest testify. After Hank Scorpio made his first reference to Gary Glitter, who should chip in with encouragement but MrsBootstraps:

Hank – your post about Gary Glitter was up and running when I just checked it out, as well as a good few other of your posts. Maybe you were just in the UT black hole for a while, as sometimes happens. I had a whole evening of that a while ago before I sussed it. Try clearing your caches and cookies and you should be able to see them.

You might have thought an English barrister would have been more careful in giving such overt encouragement to Hank Scorpio who she knows is posting such defamations. Here’s some advice I gave to Hank and in the light of Tinkebell’s experience you might take it seriously MrsB:

HankScorpio posted:

Bitey and others will be chuffed to know that I have been clinically depressed since my marriage broke down ten years ago, just as they will be crowing about me self-medicating with alcohol, and that the alcohol has reacted badly with the prozac today, as a result of which I have spent most of the last two hours crying my fucking eyes out for no obvious reason.

So the man who leads the lynch mob finally chokes on his own false accusations and still blames everyone else for his own malaise. I’m amazed he hasn’t blamed the doctor who prescribed the prozac and the supermarket that sold him the alcohol.

You feel quite comfortable Hank, even proud, continually and persistently to brand someone a paedophile with no more evidence or justification than that of the baying mob who gathered outside the house of the paediatrician, and then you expect sympathy from those you’ve taunted because against all professional advice you’ve abused your own medical and psychological treatment.

So I’m not chuffed; I find you quite pathetic. Being the most abusive poster on the UT and on CiF is clearly a consequence of your clinical depression and you should take your doctor’s advice and desist from participating in online discussions that promote it.

Self-perception and temperament could predispose you to major depression. Pessimism, bad temper, low self-esteem, paranoia, feelings of failure, feelings of helplessness and negative views of yourself are characteristics associated with major depression.

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News for 20 April 2012 – from the archives:

Some thoughts on CiF’s Moderation

JayI’ve not had the time to read the entire thread but one thing that strikes me is the lack of concrete examples which might throw more light of how moderation is conducted in practice.

I don’t know how much time you had to prepare your contribution and I know you’ve had more important things on your mind, but as a regular (obsessive?) reader of CiF you will be able to testify about the number of times “I really don’t know why my post was deleted” appears, particularly from new posters who maybe have suffered their first deletion.

In the early days of CiF when the software was considerably less reliable than it is today, posters often complained about their posts disappearing into the ether, even before they had a chance to be moderated. In the circumstances after losing several posts they’d slaved over, posters tended to keep a copy, just in case. But this also meant that you’d see comments prefaced by a remark along the lines of “well I’ve removed what I think might be the offensive bit”, and often the post was left alone. Often the removed part would refer to something personal about the ATL writer, about which moderators always seem very sensitive. So for instance I once referred to Tariq Ali as a former leading member of the International Marxist Group, which he was and is not something he would deny, quite the contrary. But I’m sure the moderator concerned felt it must have been a piece of personal abuse as I was able to re-post the comment, minus the bit about the IMG, where it remained unmolested.

So given your popularity and contacts maybe you could get together some really good examples that would illustrate more clearly the vagaries of moderation. It might be too late for this thread, but I’m sure there will be other opportunities.

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News for 18April 2012

BeautifulBurnout commenting on this site:

Posting shit about people while pretending to be your own elderly mother is a tad…er… well…

Hardly an erudite response, and it’s a more than a tad better than broadcasting your red headed son’s life history on CiF and the Untrusted sites now is it?

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News for 17 April 2012

Yesterday I mentioned Backtothepoint’s, (also known as Spike and Tony Shallcross,) censorship of anyone who challenges his post-Stalinist social democratic views.

So here’s a taster of the man’s sympathy with censorship, suicide bombers and paedophilia.

And  something previously deleted from the “censorship free” Untrusted site earlier today:

MontanaWildhack posted:

FUCK OFF, BITEY

Yes, you sick, stupid motherfucking arsewipe. You’ve been banned. You will be banned and deleted every time you try to show your useless, stalking face here. Try all the proxies and new IDs you want — they will ALL be gone.

You’re a parasite, but I’ll be goddamned if I’m going to let you feed off of this site any more.

Ms Wildhack has been reported to us on previous occasions for blasphemy and foul language and in our view she should not have free access to our nation’s children. We are attempting to uncover her true identity as she claims to be employed in a position of care with regard to American children. We are somewhat disturbed about this however we fear any action on our part might be considered to be in breach of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution

Childhelp,
15757 N. 78th Street
Suite #B
Scottsdale, Arizona, 85260

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News for 16 April 2012

No prizes for guessing who went straight to the moderators after I posted this
site’s address on CiF on Sunday evening. Well done BeautifulBurnout. And
thanks to RichJames for posting it on The Untrusted site this morning.

And it’ll be interesting to see how long Peter Bracken, (who backtothepoint once assumed was me),  lasts on the UT, after all he makes far more cutting and insulting comments than I ever did. Mind you so did Hank Scorpio and scherfig to name but two.

 

 

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